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No - I do not
Comraderie. How it should be.happy feet wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:45pmI think our country still has a lot going for it, but I think we are losing the long held notion that everyone who deserves a fair go gets one.Annoyedsaint wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:35pmThe country is slipping to the socialist dogs.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 7:37pmI thank them all for their service and sacrifice D.B. & Chook. My father was similar, wounded in PNG by the Japanese. Barely spoke about the war. In fact, the only 3 three things he spoke of in his ailing years was;D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 7:07pmWell written chook23!
As did my father, his father and his father before him, as did my mothers side of the family.
Both great grandfathers were killed in WWI & one grandfather in WWII.
An uncle blew his own brains out a few years after returning from Vietnam, as we now believe he suffered PTSD.
I am lucky that I was from a generation that did not have to serve.
It appears Anglophobia is alive and well on this forum![]()
The Japanese Imperial Forces were not small men.
He gave blood to a Japanese POW, even knowing the atrocities the man's fellow soldiers were commiting on their surge to Australia.
When he died in 2012, he had recently been watching the news and mused to no one in particular, "This is not the country I fought for." I believe it was simply a thought out loud.
Make of this what you will but every day in this country has some value and merit, even if we do not agree with how we got to this day or what we want from tomorrow.
The strip for this year's Indigenous Round is a cracker & one I'll happily add to my collection.
But….things have been good for a long time so perhaps people need to struggle a bit again (goods & services prices, home loans, etc) to realise that socialism is a cancer and has not worked or been beneficial for anyone.
Great in theory, terrible in reality.
My Dad served with Tom Derrick VC in New Guinea and Tarakan. Dad never talked about the war much, but he said Derrick was Aboriginal and the bravest man he had ever met.
Just in case you think I am wallowing in self pity and not doing anything about it - you could not be further from the truth.Annoyedsaint wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:45pm
Ample opportunity to at least attempt to do something with your life rather than wallow in self pity
Definitely not directed at you.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:51pmJust in case you think I am wallowing in self pity and not doing anything about it - you could not be further from the truth.Annoyedsaint wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:45pm
Ample opportunity to at least attempt to do something with your life rather than wallow in self pity
My life is fantastic - I live a fruitful life with Love from family and friends
I also do not hide my light under a bushel
At the end of the day - Love given and received is the measure of a person
Aker was a Lion - then a Dog - I think you mean Ballantyne or Crowlley (Freo's Bakers)
Would you deny anyone the same opportunity to build the life you have?
I would not - AND THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT - it has got to the stage that SWM's cannot achieve - even if they are the best candidate - simply because of quotas.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:56pmWould you deny anyone the same opportunity to build the life you have?
Ballantyne that’s it.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:55pmAker was a Lion - then a Dog - I think you mean Ballantyne or Crowlley (Freo's Bakers)
But - I agree - people did not boo Milne as much as Goodes - but I had to explain to a 6 yo in the Medallion Club why he was continually called a rapist (with a p not a c) by opposition supporters - one even hanging over the fence when he was taking a shot at goal.
Do you think Milne retired because he was cooked???
Sorry Skep - I thought you were a level headed person - It is not a game - It is TRIBAL
You agree that not all Australians have equal opportunity, and say you would not deny anyone that opportunity, but then seem very angered about modern society trying to close that “opportunity gap”?Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:01pmI would not - AND THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT - it has got to the stage that SWM's cannot achieve - even if they are the best candidate - simply because of quotas.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:56pmWould you deny anyone the same opportunity to build the life you have?
Just see people as people - that's all I asked - but you cherry pick my post and think it is having a go - all I want is equality
Equal Opportunity should be that - not giving someone (no matter race, creed, religion) a 'leg up' to the exclusion of all others.
.......
I also feel extremely pained by the Stolen Generation - but it was not only Indigenous mothers who had their children taken - It has been happening for generations that the daughter goes to visit the Cousins and comes back 'all better'. It was not done as genocide but by misguided people thinking they knew better.
Woah Up There - where did I say I say that I was very angered about modern society trying to close that “opportunity gap”The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:18pmYou agree that not all Australians have equal opportunity, and say you would not deny anyone that opportunity, but then seem very angered about modern society trying to close that “opportunity gap”?Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:01pmI would not - AND THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT - it has got to the stage that SWM's cannot achieve - even if they are the best candidate - simply because of quotas.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:56pmWould you deny anyone the same opportunity to build the life you have?
Just see people as people - that's all I asked - but you cherry pick my post and think it is having a go - all I want is equality
Equal Opportunity should be that - not giving someone (no matter race, creed, religion) a 'leg up' to the exclusion of all others.
.......
I also feel extremely pained by the Stolen Generation - but it was not only Indigenous mothers who had their children taken - It has been happening for generations that the daughter goes to visit the Cousins and comes back 'all better'. It was not done as genocide but by misguided people thinking they knew better.
Mine too but I don’t really hold genuine animosity for people due to their antics on the football field or carry on in the media.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:16pmSorry Skep - I thought you were a level headed person - It is not a game - It is TRIBAL
As I said in another post - my colours run right to the bone!
Oh BTW
And woe betide anyone who is a Dean Kent!Vortex wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:35pm After 6 pages and it would appear most are in furious agreement that racism and bigotry doesn't exist.
And there's a lesson about the sacrifice of war in there somewhere too.
Have a listen to the old farts on the internet.
Surely it boils down to...
Try not to be a Kent.
and ironically it might have been the topic of Dean Kent that last grew 6 pages of vitriol on SS, and that was back in the day when there was more than 20 active contributors to SS, hell even the match day threads are flat out growing to 6 pages these days.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:40pmAnd woe betide anyone who is a Dean Kent!Vortex wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:35pm After 6 pages and it would appear most are in furious agreement that racism and bigotry doesn't exist.
And there's a lesson about the sacrifice of war in there somewhere too.
Have a listen to the old farts on the internet.
Surely it boils down to...
Try not to be a Kent.
Sorry, your 50 line post out of nowhere full of capital letters and swear words seemed like it had a touch of anger to it.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:23pmWoah Up There - where did I say I say that I was very angered about modern society trying to close that “opportunity gap”The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:18pmYou agree that not all Australians have equal opportunity, and say you would not deny anyone that opportunity, but then seem very angered about modern society trying to close that “opportunity gap”?Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:01pmI would not - AND THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT - it has got to the stage that SWM's cannot achieve - even if they are the best candidate - simply because of quotas.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:56pmWould you deny anyone the same opportunity to build the life you have?
Just see people as people - that's all I asked - but you cherry pick my post and think it is having a go - all I want is equality
Equal Opportunity should be that - not giving someone (no matter race, creed, religion) a 'leg up' to the exclusion of all others.
.......
I also feel extremely pained by the Stolen Generation - but it was not only Indigenous mothers who had their children taken - It has been happening for generations that the daughter goes to visit the Cousins and comes back 'all better'. It was not done as genocide but by misguided people thinking they knew better.
I want equal opportunity - but that also applies to my 20 something White Son who is straight and not beaten!
Again Cherry Picking and mis-representing
Give us all the same opportunity - If a woman does the job as well as a man - pay them the same - if a man does the job worse - don't promote him - but DO IT BASED ON EQUALITY - not some bias.
Seriously - go and re-read my post - not through your 'hate' glasses and quote me where I said that PEOPLE should not be given the same opportunities
Then when you can't find it - stop looking at PEOPLE as being different - and start seeing them as PEOPLE - that is all the under-represented voice wants.
And maybe sprinkle in a bit of Love and Respect for EVERYONE
Depends on the job - but you are inferring for a position that requires a degree/educational standard.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:51pm
Sorry, your 50 line post out of nowhere full of capital letters and swear words seemed like it had a touch of anger to it.
Here’s a scenario.
Two people are born, person A and person B. They are born with the exact same capabilities.
Person A is born to a stable home and loving family. They are financially comfortable. Person A goes to the best school in the area where they can be fully dedicated to their studies and receive extra help when they need it. They work hard and earn top marks which gets them into their dream course at their chosen uni. Uni reflects school and they again graduate top of their class.
Person B is born to a broken home and abusive family. They go to the closest school to where they live and at a young age need to get a job to help support their family. Their time is split between work, school and caring for their siblings. They work hard and earn pretty good marks, but not quite good enough to get them into their dream uni course. They settle for something less prestigious, uni reflects school and they graduate with pretty good marks.
SD is hiring someone for a job, Person A and Person B both apply. They are still both equally capable, but one has better school grades, and a more relevant degree with higher marks.
Who do you hire SD?
Their differences when it comes to who meets your needs, spell and scores on your test, how nice they are and how well you get along are negligible. Their only discernible difference is one is much more ‘qualified’ than the other.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:07pmDepends on the job - but you are inferring for a position that requires a degree/educational standard.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:51pm
Sorry, your 50 line post out of nowhere full of capital letters and swear words seemed like it had a touch of anger to it.
Here’s a scenario.
Two people are born, person A and person B. They are born with the exact same capabilities.
Person A is born to a stable home and loving family. They are financially comfortable. Person A goes to the best school in the area where they can be fully dedicated to their studies and receive extra help when they need it. They work hard and earn top marks which gets them into their dream course at their chosen uni. Uni reflects school and they again graduate top of their class.
Person B is born to a broken home and abusive family. They go to the closest school to where they live and at a young age need to get a job to help support their family. Their time is split between work, school and caring for their siblings. They work hard and earn pretty good marks, but not quite good enough to get them into their dream uni course. They settle for something less prestigious, uni reflects school and they graduate with pretty good marks.
SD is hiring someone for a job, Person A and Person B both apply. They are still both equally capable, but one has better school grades, and a more relevant degree with higher marks.
Who do you hire SD?
If they are both capable of doing the job - I would hire the one who more closely met my needs - and who could spell - and pass my test:
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/ ... ns/4724663
I do not believe in hiring from a 15 minute interview - I like to work with people to get harmony
Do I strive for equality in my life to bring Person B to the same standard of living - absolutely - I have 2 rental properties in the inner SE suburbs - both with houses on 700+ sq metres of land - I ask less than $370 per week for them.
I also rock the thrift stores for bargains - sell the stuff and donate the proceeds back to the Op Shops.
I assume you think I would Hire person A due to the 'Old Boy Network" - and I am a member of that fraternity - but in fact Person B may be the nicer person. The nicest person in my life is a Person B.
But Collingwood supporters are not people.skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:10pmBallantyne that’s it.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 9:55pmAker was a Lion - then a Dog - I think you mean Ballantyne or Crowlley (Freo's Bakers)
But - I agree - people did not boo Milne as much as Goodes - but I had to explain to a 6 yo in the Medallion Club why he was continually called a rapist (with a p not a c) by opposition supporters - one even hanging over the fence when he was taking a shot at goal.
Do you think Milne retired because he was cooked???
No argument what they did to Milne was horrific too.
I wish ppl wouldn’t make things personal at the football. It’s a game after all.
Are you serious - bating to the extreme - I do not answer you in a way that you can say "Got you" so you keep pushing the question - narrowing the focusThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:23pmTheir differences when it comes to who meets your needs, spell and scores on your test, how nice they are and how well you get along are negligible. Their only discernible difference is one is much more ‘qualified’ than the other.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:07pmDepends on the job - but you are inferring for a position that requires a degree/educational standard.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:51pm
Sorry, your 50 line post out of nowhere full of capital letters and swear words seemed like it had a touch of anger to it.
Here’s a scenario.
Two people are born, person A and person B. They are born with the exact same capabilities.
Person A is born to a stable home and loving family. They are financially comfortable. Person A goes to the best school in the area where they can be fully dedicated to their studies and receive extra help when they need it. They work hard and earn top marks which gets them into their dream course at their chosen uni. Uni reflects school and they again graduate top of their class.
Person B is born to a broken home and abusive family. They go to the closest school to where they live and at a young age need to get a job to help support their family. Their time is split between work, school and caring for their siblings. They work hard and earn pretty good marks, but not quite good enough to get them into their dream uni course. They settle for something less prestigious, uni reflects school and they graduate with pretty good marks.
SD is hiring someone for a job, Person A and Person B both apply. They are still both equally capable, but one has better school grades, and a more relevant degree with higher marks.
Who do you hire SD?
If they are both capable of doing the job - I would hire the one who more closely met my needs - and who could spell - and pass my test:
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/ ... ns/4724663
I do not believe in hiring from a 15 minute interview - I like to work with people to get harmony
Do I strive for equality in my life to bring Person B to the same standard of living - absolutely - I have 2 rental properties in the inner SE suburbs - both with houses on 700+ sq metres of land - I ask less than $370 per week for them.
I also rock the thrift stores for bargains - sell the stuff and donate the proceeds back to the Op Shops.
I assume you think I would Hire person A due to the 'Old Boy Network" - and I am a member of that fraternity - but in fact Person B may be the nicer person. The nicest person in my life is a Person B.
No accusations of ‘jobs for mates’ or ‘old boys club’ here.
Who do you hire?
A little surprising you couldn’t bring yourself to answer, tho I understand why.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:45pmAre you serious - bating to the extreme - I do not answer you in a way that you can say "Got you" so you keep pushing the question - narrowing the focusThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:23pmTheir differences when it comes to who meets your needs, spell and scores on your test, how nice they are and how well you get along are negligible. Their only discernible difference is one is much more ‘qualified’ than the other.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:07pmDepends on the job - but you are inferring for a position that requires a degree/educational standard.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:51pm
Sorry, your 50 line post out of nowhere full of capital letters and swear words seemed like it had a touch of anger to it.
Here’s a scenario.
Two people are born, person A and person B. They are born with the exact same capabilities.
Person A is born to a stable home and loving family. They are financially comfortable. Person A goes to the best school in the area where they can be fully dedicated to their studies and receive extra help when they need it. They work hard and earn top marks which gets them into their dream course at their chosen uni. Uni reflects school and they again graduate top of their class.
Person B is born to a broken home and abusive family. They go to the closest school to where they live and at a young age need to get a job to help support their family. Their time is split between work, school and caring for their siblings. They work hard and earn pretty good marks, but not quite good enough to get them into their dream uni course. They settle for something less prestigious, uni reflects school and they graduate with pretty good marks.
SD is hiring someone for a job, Person A and Person B both apply. They are still both equally capable, but one has better school grades, and a more relevant degree with higher marks.
Who do you hire SD?
If they are both capable of doing the job - I would hire the one who more closely met my needs - and who could spell - and pass my test:
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/ ... ns/4724663
I do not believe in hiring from a 15 minute interview - I like to work with people to get harmony
Do I strive for equality in my life to bring Person B to the same standard of living - absolutely - I have 2 rental properties in the inner SE suburbs - both with houses on 700+ sq metres of land - I ask less than $370 per week for them.
I also rock the thrift stores for bargains - sell the stuff and donate the proceeds back to the Op Shops.
I assume you think I would Hire person A due to the 'Old Boy Network" - and I am a member of that fraternity - but in fact Person B may be the nicer person. The nicest person in my life is a Person B.
No accusations of ‘jobs for mates’ or ‘old boys club’ here.
Who do you hire?
You can keep going - I am not hiring Person A because of their upbringing - I am not Hiring Person B because they are perceived downtrodden
Qualifications in my world mean squat - if a job needs doing - I hire the person who does it best - if they are equal and they are both able to push my business forward - who knows - I hire them both!
LOL - no - actually - you are the one describing a scenario that is not possible - there are not two people exactly suited for the roleThe_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 12 May 2023 12:36amA little surprising you couldn’t bring yourself to answer, tho I understand why.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:45pmAre you serious - bating to the extreme - I do not answer you in a way that you can say "Got you" so you keep pushing the question - narrowing the focusThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:23pmTheir differences when it comes to who meets your needs, spell and scores on your test, how nice they are and how well you get along are negligible. Their only discernible difference is one is much more ‘qualified’ than the other.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 11:07pmDepends on the job - but you are inferring for a position that requires a degree/educational standard.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 11 May 2023 10:51pm
Sorry, your 50 line post out of nowhere full of capital letters and swear words seemed like it had a touch of anger to it.
Here’s a scenario.
Two people are born, person A and person B. They are born with the exact same capabilities.
Person A is born to a stable home and loving family. They are financially comfortable. Person A goes to the best school in the area where they can be fully dedicated to their studies and receive extra help when they need it. They work hard and earn top marks which gets them into their dream course at their chosen uni. Uni reflects school and they again graduate top of their class.
Person B is born to a broken home and abusive family. They go to the closest school to where they live and at a young age need to get a job to help support their family. Their time is split between work, school and caring for their siblings. They work hard and earn pretty good marks, but not quite good enough to get them into their dream uni course. They settle for something less prestigious, uni reflects school and they graduate with pretty good marks.
SD is hiring someone for a job, Person A and Person B both apply. They are still both equally capable, but one has better school grades, and a more relevant degree with higher marks.
Who do you hire SD?
If they are both capable of doing the job - I would hire the one who more closely met my needs - and who could spell - and pass my test:
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/ ... ns/4724663
I do not believe in hiring from a 15 minute interview - I like to work with people to get harmony
Do I strive for equality in my life to bring Person B to the same standard of living - absolutely - I have 2 rental properties in the inner SE suburbs - both with houses on 700+ sq metres of land - I ask less than $370 per week for them.
I also rock the thrift stores for bargains - sell the stuff and donate the proceeds back to the Op Shops.
I assume you think I would Hire person A due to the 'Old Boy Network" - and I am a member of that fraternity - but in fact Person B may be the nicer person. The nicest person in my life is a Person B.
No accusations of ‘jobs for mates’ or ‘old boys club’ here.
Who do you hire?
You can keep going - I am not hiring Person A because of their upbringing - I am not Hiring Person B because they are perceived downtrodden
Qualifications in my world mean squat - if a job needs doing - I hire the person who does it best - if they are equal and they are both able to push my business forward - who knows - I hire them both!
By all available measurables Person A is the correct one you should hire.
Tho if you, SD, hire Person A, you are keeping your integrity but contributing to the cycle of inequity in society which you claim to be against, and if you hire Person B you are being a hypocrite.
So again, I understand why you couldn’t answer.