Funnily enough, it appears GT is aware of this thread. Cannot comment if he's actually read it.
Maybe he doesn't want to comment on it......
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I have already withdrawn my use of the phrase "Eade outcoached Lyon" and replaced it with "Eade delivered a terrific coaching performance which was almost, but not quite, successful on the night".saintsRrising wrote:Outcoached..bah humbug....
While a week off is good for the body...IMO it is not so good for footballers minds.
We came out of the blocks slow last week and took half a game to get going.
As to all Eades moves...what were they?? As mentioned by another already he largely just aped Lyon's strategies.
How did Eade get Ray when the ball was kicked to him in space to double back and then kick sideways to a Dog when he should have just marked and run on to have an easy ping from 30 m out?
While much has been made of the dogs missing shots on the run the saints bungled a lot of scoring opportunities in the first half to extent that they did not even score.
then the saints settled, got there mojo back and ground out a win against a very good opponent.
It is notable that both Jonathon Brown and Simon Black both separately stated on Brownlow night that the StKilda v Dogs was one of greatest pressure games that they have ever seen....and that Black stated that he found the game fascinating.
Those that reckon the dogs were easybeats are grossly under-estimating how the Dogs played.
Of course GT is aware of this thread.SENsaintsational wrote:I saw an old friend last night who knows GT well.
Funnily enough, it appears GT is aware of this thread. Cannot comment if he's actually read it.
Maybe he doesn't want to comment on it......
More importantly, does JLH know about it and the serious threat it poses to her long-term status as the hottest topic on SS?SENsaintsational wrote:I saw an old friend last night who knows GT well.
Funnily enough, it appears GT is aware of this thread. Cannot comment if he's actually read it.
Maybe he doesn't want to comment on it......
Apparently they're going lingerie shopping together in Chapel St before the motorcade.SENsaintsational wrote:JLH is the surprise guest at the GF this Saturday, so you guys in attendance can ask her.
She is apparently sharing motorcade with GT....sponsored by Saintsational......
Hopefully the vehicle doesn't run out of petrol halfway around the ground.
.LIAR
On one hand, I know the above question isn't meant seriously. Anyone who can't give Eade credit for last week isn't likely to be turned around by a post on a message board.saintsRrising wrote:Outcoached..bah humbug....
While a week off is good for the body...IMO it is not so good for footballers minds.
We came out of the blocks slow last week and took half a game to get going.
As to all Eades moves...what were they?? As mentioned by another already he largely just aped Lyon's strategies.
Well yes my post was a bit tongue in cheek ( & I actually rate Eeade as a coach)..as is much of this thread...but in the post referred to I actually do give credit to the Dogs.BAM! (shhhh) wrote:On one hand, I know the above question isn't meant seriously. Anyone who can't give Eade credit for last week isn't likely to be turned around by a post on a message board.saintsRrising wrote:Outcoached..bah humbug....
While a week off is good for the body...IMO it is not so good for footballers minds.
We came out of the blocks slow last week and took half a game to get going.
As to all Eades moves...what were they?? As mentioned by another already he largely just aped Lyon's strategies.
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saintsRrising wrote:
then the saints settled, got there mojo back and ground out a win against a very good opponent.
It is notable that both Jonathon Brown and Simon Black both separately stated on Brownlow night that the StKilda v Dogs was one of greatest pressure games that they have ever seen....and that Black stated that he found the game fascinating.
Those that reckon the dogs were easybeats are grossly under-estimating how the Dogs played.
the only thing i i would add to this is where in the 1st quart the commentators and maybe Lyon all (i think) stated that it a while to get the match up right for dawson. and that it did take a quater for this to happen.saintsRrising wrote:Well yes my post was a bit tongue in cheek ( & I actually rate Eeade as a coach)..as is much of this thread...but in the post referred to I actually do give credit to the Dogs.BAM! (shhhh) wrote:On one hand, I know the above question isn't meant seriously. Anyone who can't give Eade credit for last week isn't likely to be turned around by a post on a message board.saintsRrising wrote:Outcoached..bah humbug....
While a week off is good for the body...IMO it is not so good for footballers minds.
We came out of the blocks slow last week and took half a game to get going.
As to all Eades moves...what were they?? As mentioned by another already he largely just aped Lyon's strategies.
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saintsRrising wrote:
then the saints settled, got there mojo back and ground out a win against a very good opponent.
It is notable that both Jonathon Brown and Simon Black both separately stated on Brownlow night that the StKilda v Dogs was one of greatest pressure games that they have ever seen....and that Black stated that he found the game fascinating.
Those that reckon the dogs were easybeats are grossly under-estimating how the Dogs played.
Specifically coaching wise I thought Eade started strongly giving the Dogs the advantage.
But that Lyon then adjusted to things to get the Saints back into the game.
So if you will Eade takes the points for pre-match planning...but Lyon takes the points for match day coaching.
And while Eades first quarter set-ups were very good...I think also that the Saints were full of rust and that many of the stuff-ups had little to do with the set-ups. Their extra numbers further afield certainly caused a number of turnovers...but a large number were due I believe just sloppyness by our players.
Was this due to Preliminary Final Nerves, the week off...the Dogs good tactics.....or a bit of each who knows?
saintsRrising wrote:saintsRrising wrote:
then the saints settled, got there mojo back and ground out a win against a very good opponent.
It is notable that both Jonathon Brown and Simon Black both separately stated on Brownlow night that the StKilda v Dogs was one of greatest pressure games that they have ever seen....and that Black stated that he found the game fascinating.
Those that reckon the dogs were easybeats are grossly under-estimating how the Dogs played.
Interesting idea.
As a general rule, I tend to think first qtr is the greatest opportunity a coach has to have an actual impact on the game. As with the dogs zone, it's your chance to roll something out that the opposition is unaware of, and the runners aren't allowed to carry whiteboards - I imagine watching the Saints play into that setup time after time must have been very frustrating for Lyon.
Qtr time, Lyon updates the team, and while it certainly didn't lose all effectiveness (in the 4th qtr once the run decreased it was very prominent again), for quarters 2 and 3, the Saints were certainly ascendant.
How much credit does Lyon get for this? I'm not sure that he did a lot else other than fiddle with Dawson in trying to (unsuccessfully) negate a good defensive setup on Reiwoldt... and that's not a criticism, that's - IMO - good coaching when you've got a side who's performed as well as St Kilda. Ensure the opposition hasn't snagged an advantage, and then let the players do their thing.
Again, not meaning to denegrate Lyon, just think that while Lyon kept on keepin on, Eade delivered as good a coachign performance as most of us lay folk are ever like to witness.