I think his supposed football career was about as legitimate as his namesakes championship belts
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I think his supposed football career was about as legitimate as his namesakes championship belts
Keep telling you, third man rule is no longer, but you just carnt help yourself, safety in numbers, all be it irrelevant numbers!!!!!The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 7:55pmI think his supposed football career was about as legitimate as his namesakes championship belts![]()
"A block of years that suits"....????.... you do realise that when you are trying to debate it's important not to keep putting your foot in your mouth? What did you want me to use- weeks or months? You are the one who raised the argument about games won when Hickey rucks - I didn't. I would have thought that if you objectively look at a chunk of years when both were deemed to be ready and able that would be fair. There is 1 game the diff over 3 years but so what...stonecold wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 4:25pmNeck and neck, that's a very kind assessment, plus, once again, you just chose a block of years that suits, funny that!!!!!Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 12:53pmRicho dropped Hickey after we played Brisbane and then Collingwood in 2017 in rnds 3 and 4. So you're saying Martin was way too good for Longer this year but Hickey should have beaten Martin last year and that was reason enough for Richo to bag him and relegate him to the magoos for the year?
I've looked at the win loss for Hickey in 2015/2016/2017 versus the won loss when Lonegr played in those 3 years. It's neck and neck so your little question about 'how many wins' Tom has played is meaningless. Think about that Brofo
So, in your 'manufactured stats', Billy still ahead in the Neck and neck race, isn't he!!!!!!
Funny how a bloke who is apparently is Struggling to get a VFL game, was in the best two players last week (as named by coaches) and named emergency for this game!!!!!
That would suggest that your boy, Hickledik better do well tomorrow!!!!!
Also, stop trying to tell me what I'm saying, please and thank you!!!!!
Blind Freddie knows Longer played rnds 1 and 2 injured, only played because Hickey was showing nothing in the twos at the time, even went with Marshall in rnd 3, because of a lack of form on Hickey's part!!!!!
Tom needs to become an identity, simple, if he can do that then he will stay!!!!!
What, do you think you are a comedian or something?The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 7:55pmI think his supposed football career was about as legitimate as his namesakes championship belts![]()
saynta wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 8:27pmWhat, do you think you are a comedian or something?The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 7:55pmI think his supposed football career was about as legitimate as his namesakes championship belts![]()
Don't give up your day job.
So Hickey gave up 15 votes in 6 games. Didn’t he earn some as well?The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 1:46amGood point. By the looks of it Longer gave up 6 votes to Martin and 5 to Goldy, so that’s well over a third of the 28 right there, nice job Billy!Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 1:34am Just all like stats they need to be broken down, and you don't simply get a correlation or conclusion by looking at these pure voting numbers without looking at other KPI's. I'm pretty certain I know where the author got their intel about the 3rd man up and relating that to Hickey... No doubt from SS.
I can't be stuffed loking up the coaches votes but I'd be pretty sure that Stef Martin would have polled against Billy and maybe even Totty also got votes against Billy. If you take out those games, maybe we'd be somewhere in the middle as a club. I'm also positive that if all our players were contributing and playing their role as well is Tom is at the moment, we'll be competitive in a lot more matches
Then round 3 Marshall gave up 2 to Jacobs.
So basically Longer and Marshall gave up 13 votes in 3 rounds, and Hickey 15 in 6... says it all really!
Ol’ stoney is going to be super salty about this one![]()
If he did, it was against Jon Patton and Dawson Simpson!!!!!BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 10:20pmSo Hickey gave up 15 votes in 6 games. Didn’t he earn some as well?The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 1:46amGood point. By the looks of it Longer gave up 6 votes to Martin and 5 to Goldy, so that’s well over a third of the 28 right there, nice job Billy!Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 1:34am Just all like stats they need to be broken down, and you don't simply get a correlation or conclusion by looking at these pure voting numbers without looking at other KPI's. I'm pretty certain I know where the author got their intel about the 3rd man up and relating that to Hickey... No doubt from SS.
I can't be stuffed loking up the coaches votes but I'd be pretty sure that Stef Martin would have polled against Billy and maybe even Totty also got votes against Billy. If you take out those games, maybe we'd be somewhere in the middle as a club. I'm also positive that if all our players were contributing and playing their role as well is Tom is at the moment, we'll be competitive in a lot more matches
Then round 3 Marshall gave up 2 to Jacobs.
So basically Longer and Marshall gave up 13 votes in 3 rounds, and Hickey 15 in 6... says it all really!
Ol’ stoney is going to be super salty about this one![]()
Tipping the poster wouldn't hold down a day job, well not a legal one anyway!!!!!The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 9:21pmsaynta wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 8:27pmWhat, do you think you are a comedian or something?The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 7:55pmI think his supposed football career was about as legitimate as his namesakes championship belts![]()
Don't give up your day job.![]()
I hate the pure hit out stats!
The problem with looking at the "to advantage" stats in isolation is that you're completely ignoring the hitouts "to disadvantage" which occur all the time - but are never collated.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Sat 26 May 2018 10:09amI hate the pure hit out stats!
Is it possible to compare average hit outs to advantage stats per game???
Interesting discussion.samoht wrote: ↑Sat 26 May 2018 10:45amThe problem with looking at the "to advantage" stats in isolation is that you're completely ignoring the hitouts "to disadvantage" which occur all the time - but are never collated.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Sat 26 May 2018 10:09amI hate the pure hit out stats!
Is it possible to compare average hit outs to advantage stats per game???
If you look at the ruck contests and hitouts closely, you'll notice that quite a few are hit cleanly straight to opposition players - what I call the "hitouts to disadvantage".
Maybe the hitouts to advantage stats should show the net of the hitouts to advantage minus the hitouts to disadavantage - and it could therefore be a negative number if a ruckman happens to hit more straight
to the opposition players during the course of a game than to their teammates.
A classic example of a "hitout to disadvantage" is Knobel's clean hitout to the advantage of Wanganeen (and therefore to the disadvantage of his team) who kicked the winning goal in our final vs Port Adelaide.
Knobel did us no favours by "winning" that hitout - and the kicker is he had zero possessions around the ground in that important final. He was a disastrous passenger.