Goal Umpiring

[Enrico_Misso]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

[plugger66]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

[bigcarl]

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

If you're going to whinge, then do it when you win IMO. Unlike Bomber and Mooney.

[plugger66]

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

If you're going to whinge, then do it when you win IMO. Unlike Bomber and Mooney.

Who cares about them.

[bigcarl]

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

If you're going to whinge, then do it when you win IMO. Unlike Bomber and Mooney.

Who cares about them.

Certainly not me. It just reeks a bit of sour graps IMO and reflects badly on a once proud club.

[plugger66]

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

If you're going to whinge, then do it when you win IMO. Unlike Bomber and Mooney.

Who cares about them.

Certainly not me. It just reeks a bit of sour graps IMO and reflects badly on a once proud club.

On a once pround club. What does that mean? They have won 2 of the last 3 flags and could still win this year.

[bigcarl]

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

If you're going to whinge, then do it when you win IMO. Unlike Bomber and Mooney.

Who cares about them.

Certainly not me. It just reeks a bit of sour graps IMO and reflects badly on a once proud club.

On a once pround club. What does that mean? They have won 2 of the last 3 flags and could still win this year.

their petulance and whinging is not a good look. one thing i admire about ross is that he is never a sook. he has more pride than that.

where's theirs?

[jonesy]

They're a disgraceful bunch of sooks who have been a wonderful team,but also handed gifts along the way. Free rides in the umpiring department.

Never has a club in the history of the game been able to get away with more holding the ball decisions than them. Especially in there 07,08 seasons.

They're used to getting there own way.

It all starts at the top,and filters it's way through. There coach is a sook,and there best player is an even bigger sook,and in 2 weeks time,a turn coat also.

They all suffer from 'Provincial City or Country town?' syndrome

Much like they're half geek supporters. Confused as to whether they're dairy farmers,or surfies. Basically just nuffies with no identity

[Badlands]

At the risk of being berated, i was watching the game without commentary, and on fast motion i thought it was a goal. They showed two angles on the ch 7 coverage, one i thought it still looked a goal, and the other i thought it looked like it was all Zac's fist. I'm not going to be too harsh on the umpires for getting this one wrong, assuming that they definitely got it wrong - thought there were far worse decisions to go against us tonight, albeit that they may not have cost us 6pts.

[Mr Magic]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

That seemed to work for Fremantle in Tasmania.

[plugger66]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

That seemed to work for Fremantle in Tasmania.

You have taken a while. Actually watched a the said goal again and think it was now a goal otherwise the ball wouldnt have gone that quickly forward. Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

[bigcarl]

Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

maybe a boot on it? so award a goal?

[plugger66]

Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

maybe a boot on it? so award a goal?

Couldnt give a stuff. By the way I wasnt the goal umpire, that was actually just my opinion.

[saintsfooty]

Someone suggested hotspot and that was laughed at but that would have showed it.

[Mr Magic]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

That seemed to work for Fremantle in Tasmania.

You have taken a while. Actually watched a the said goal again and think it was now a goal otherwise the ball wouldnt have gone that quickly forward. Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

Just pointing out the accuracy of your statement -whinging overturned the result of a game some days after it was completed.

Just a co-incidence that we were the team to lose the points.

BTW, how did that actually happen?
How did the AFL overturn an official result?
WHich rule did they use or dsid they 'make it up on the night'?

You're an umpire, how was the Gwilt decision incorrect according to the rules?
You claim it was a 'lucky decision' in another thread.
WHat was 'lucky' about it?
THat Mooney fell into his back adn drove him into the ground?

Or was it just 'lucky' becasue the umpire happened to see it?
Is that what 'lucky' frees are - when umpires happen to see infringements to us?
And when they see them against us they're considered 'deserved'?

[Iceman234]

If the AFL apologists don't think goal umpires can't be "got at" like the sixth ball of the tenth over will be a no-ball then you have rocks in your head. Where there's big money there will be corruption. Whether some decisions are corruption or not is up to an independent inquiry I guess, well after it's proven by a third strike after the first two corrupt activities are kept under wraps and the umpires concerned have been counselled for their drug use and depression.

Fair dinkum, get in the real world.

I personally know two ex-VFL/AFL umpires and they are BOTH such rabid Cats-supporters that I can't for the lfie of me see how they could possibly ever have totally hidden their biases when umpiring their matches. Not saying they deliberately influenced the results but stranger things have happened. And no, they're not remotely current with their umpiring but it disgusts me how pro-Cat and anti-Saint they are, quite openly.

[bigcarl]

Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

maybe a boot on it? so award a goal?

Couldnt give a stuff. By the way I wasnt the goal umpire, that was actually just my opinion.

You being an umpire and all would be able to answer this. If the goal umpire is not sure, does he give the defensive team the benefit of the doubt?

Or does that apply only in cricket?

[plugger66]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

That seemed to work for Fremantle in Tasmania.

You have taken a while. Actually watched a the said goal again and think it was now a goal otherwise the ball wouldnt have gone that quickly forward. Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

Just pointing out the accuracy of your statement -whinging overturned the result of a game some days after it was completed.

Just a co-incidence that we were the team to lose the points.

BTW, how did that actually happen?
How did the AFL overturn an official result?
WHich rule did they use or dsid they 'make it up on the night'?

You're an umpire, how was the Gwilt decision incorrect according to the rules?
You claim it was a 'lucky decision' in another thread.
WHat was 'lucky' about it?
THat Mooney fell into his back adn drove him into the ground?

Or was it just 'lucky' becasue the umpire happened to see it?
Is that what 'lucky' frees are - when umpires happen to see infringements to us?
And when they see them against us they're considered 'deserved'?

Neck, world against, poor us, crying, sook. Lets get positive. We win the next 2 and you can continue all you like. I couldnt care less but obviously you think they are against us.

[Solar]

don't bother with the troll MM

[plugger66]

don't bother with the troll MM

Age sook?

[Enrico_Misso]

So if we had lost by 2 points are we just expected to cop it?

There is an excellent case that the Hawkins goal cost us a Premiership.
When is the AFL going to do something about this.


Had we lost we are condemned to play each week and come up against Coll in the Prelim making the Premiership very very hard.
But with the win we should get a smooth ride into the GF.
THAT is how significant that blatant error could have been.

Sorry I thought we won.

IF you read my post you would see that I said "IF".
My point is that error could have cost us any real chance of the flag this year.
That would mean we would have been shafted two years in a row by incompetent decisions that could easily be fixed.

For heavens sake it arguably cost us a flag last year.
Most REAL fans have been stewing over that for 49 weeks.
If that doesn't upset you then you are NOT a StKilda supporter.

Why because I choose to forget about something that was obviously wrong. Maybe a real supporter would just whinge until the result is changed.

That seemed to work for Fremantle in Tasmania.

You have taken a while. Actually watched a the said goal again and think it was now a goal otherwise the ball wouldnt have gone that quickly forward. Zac actually tried to push it down but it went forward very quickly which suggests maybe there was a boot on it.

Just pointing out the accuracy of your statement -whinging overturned the result of a game some days after it was completed.

Just a co-incidence that we were the team to lose the points.

BTW, how did that actually happen?
How did the AFL overturn an official result?
WHich rule did they use or dsid they 'make it up on the night'?

You're an umpire, how was the Gwilt decision incorrect according to the rules?
You claim it was a 'lucky decision' in another thread.
WHat was 'lucky' about it?
THat Mooney fell into his back adn drove him into the ground?

Or was it just 'lucky' becasue the umpire happened to see it?
Is that what 'lucky' frees are - when umpires happen to see infringements to us?
And when they see them against us they're considered 'deserved'?

Don't waste your time on logical arguments against a Troll

[Mr Magic]

don't bother with the troll MM

Nah it's all good - Plugger's just having fun becasue he knows he can get a rise.

I find it fdascinating that he cannot (will not?) ever defend 'bad luck' / poor decisions' againts us.

He also won't answer the question when the answer will prove his argument false.

[plugger66]

don't bother with the troll MM

Nah it's all good - Plugger's just having fun becasue he knows he can get a rise.

I find it fdascinating that he cannot (will not?) ever defend 'bad luck' / poor decisions' againts us.

He also won't answer the question when the answer will prove his argument false.

And I find it impossible to actually believe there is some conspiracy against us. That really fascinates me.

[Iceman234]

don't bother with the troll MM

Nah it's all good - Plugger's just having fun becasue he knows he can get a rise.

I find it fdascinating that he cannot (will not?) ever defend 'bad luck' / poor decisions' againts us.

He also won't answer the question when the answer will prove his argument false.

And I find it impossible to actually believe there is some conspiracy against us. That really fascinates me.

Mightn't be always against us but you're living in fantasyland if you think it won't come out at some stage that an ump/goal ump is involved in some sort of betting scam. But you keep your head in the sand, it's easier for AD that way...

[plugger66]

don't bother with the troll MM

Nah it's all good - Plugger's just having fun becasue he knows he can get a rise.

I find it fdascinating that he cannot (will not?) ever defend 'bad luck' / poor decisions' againts us.

He also won't answer the question when the answer will prove his argument false.

And I find it impossible to actually believe there is some conspiracy against us. That really fascinates me.

Mightn't be always against us but you're living in fantasyland if you think it won't come out at some stage that an ump/goal ump is involved in some sort of betting scam. But you keep your head in the sand, it's easier for AD that way...

Hilarious.