The five players, who include Jason Gram, Sam Fisher and Adam Schneider, had been with Lovett before the alleged attack took place at Gram's home in the early hours of Christmas Eve.
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Five saints called in Lovett case
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Re: Five saints called in Lovett case
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The five players, who include Jason Gram, Sam Fisher and Adam Schneider, had been with Lovett before the alleged attack took place at Gram's home in the early hours of Christmas Eve.
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Quick and painless process, relatively. They're not the one's on trial. Minor distraction. Don't worry about it.
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How did it tear his hip flexor or whatever it was he tore?Beej wrote:Really shouldn't underestimate the toll this whole affair has taken on Gram which could explain the year he's having.
Seriously, though, I think people overstate the importance of 'scandals'. They're footballers surrounded by other footballers. Hardly an environment renowned for overwrought introspection...
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In light of the situation I have copied the whole statement
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St Kilda Media Statement
10:59 AM Tue 10 August, 2010
St Kilda Football Club confirms that five St Kilda players and one Club official have been notified that they are required to give evidence at the Andrew Lovett committal hearing.
The committal hearing will commence today, Tuesday 10 August and conclude on Friday 13 August.
It is important to note that the St Kilda players and official who have been called are civilian witnesses, and are not giving evidence for or against the accused or alleged victim.
From the outset of the investigation, the St Kilda Football Club and its players have fully cooperated with Victoria Police. Any appearance of players or officials in court this week to give evidence is a normal part of the legal process.
While the Club understands there may be a level of general interest in this issue, given it is a criminal matter that is before the courts, the Club and its players are legally not able to make any further comment.
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St Kilda Media Statement
10:59 AM Tue 10 August, 2010
St Kilda Football Club confirms that five St Kilda players and one Club official have been notified that they are required to give evidence at the Andrew Lovett committal hearing.
The committal hearing will commence today, Tuesday 10 August and conclude on Friday 13 August.
It is important to note that the St Kilda players and official who have been called are civilian witnesses, and are not giving evidence for or against the accused or alleged victim.
From the outset of the investigation, the St Kilda Football Club and its players have fully cooperated with Victoria Police. Any appearance of players or officials in court this week to give evidence is a normal part of the legal process.
While the Club understands there may be a level of general interest in this issue, given it is a criminal matter that is before the courts, the Club and its players are legally not able to make any further comment.
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Re: Five saints called in Lovett case
safe to assume they have been summoned by the prosecution and not the defence.kosifantutti23 wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/f ... 11u1d.html
The five players, who include Jason Gram, Sam Fisher and Adam Schneider, had been with Lovett before the alleged attack took place at Gram's home in the early hours of Christmas Eve.
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statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
states they are attending as Civilian Witnesses.
states they are attending as Civilian Witnesses.
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Re: Five saints called in Lovett case
As I understand it, the prosecution calls anybody it thinks may help fill out the pieces of the story required to take the matter past this preliminary stage and into the next.Con Gorozidis wrote:safe to assume they have been summoned by the prosecution and not the defence.kosifantutti23 wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/f ... 11u1d.html
The five players, who include Jason Gram, Sam Fisher and Adam Schneider, had been with Lovett before the alleged attack took place at Gram's home in the early hours of Christmas Eve.
It's fairly safe to say - from what I've read - that our guys were not eyewitnesses to anything, so they'll be asked to report on what allegedly happened afterwards.
From there it'll be a case of determining whether everything/anything they say in addition to anything said by anyone else amounts to a prosecution case that is a fair chance of succeeding at the next level of the process ie a trial.
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ok. yes. so its only a committal hearing. so court just wants to know basics. i.e was the accused in the vicinity of the crime at the times alleged. thats about it. once they establish basics they go to trial later in the year. committal will probably only last an hour.saintbrat wrote:statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
states they are attending as Civilian Witnesses.
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It's listed for four days.Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. yes. so its only a committal hearing. so court just wants to know basics. i.e was the accused in the vicinity of the crime at the times alleged. thats about it. once they establish basics they go to trial later in the year. committal will probably only last an hour.saintbrat wrote:statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
states they are attending as Civilian Witnesses.
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Not unusual. Different availabilities for different people involved. Doesn't mean half a day in the box for every witness.Bernard Shakey wrote:It's listed for four days.Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. yes. so its only a committal hearing. so court just wants to know basics. i.e was the accused in the vicinity of the crime at the times alleged. thats about it. once they establish basics they go to trial later in the year. committal will probably only last an hour.saintbrat wrote:statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
states they are attending as Civilian Witnesses.
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yeah. when are we going to get meaningful court/law reform. they just waste time. suits all parties to drag it on cos they get paid by the day.Bernard Shakey wrote:It's listed for four days.Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. yes. so its only a committal hearing. so court just wants to know basics. i.e was the accused in the vicinity of the crime at the times alleged. thats about it. once they establish basics they go to trial later in the year. committal will probably only last an hour.saintbrat wrote:statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
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no quite...the prosecution has to establish a prima facie case against lovett......Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. yes. so its only a committal hearing. so court just wants to know basics. i.e was the accused in the vicinity of the crime at the times alleged. thats about it. once they establish basics they go to trial later in the year. committal will probably only last an hour.saintbrat wrote:statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
states they are attending as Civilian Witnesses.
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What's the standard in an unwitnessed rape case? For instance...I'd imagine pretty high.stinger wrote:no quite...the prosecution has to establish a prima facie case against lovett......Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. yes. so its only a committal hearing. so court just wants to know basics. i.e was the accused in the vicinity of the crime at the times alleged. thats about it. once they establish basics they go to trial later in the year. committal will probably only last an hour.saintbrat wrote:statement above your post con- you must have posted at same time
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When your missus/gf/girl you're seeing is allegedly attacked while you're a few feet away I imagine it could affect your mind/body and then your form, particularly having to revisit the thing time and time again with the police and lawyers.Thinline wrote:How did it tear his hip flexor or whatever it was he tore?Beej wrote:Really shouldn't underestimate the toll this whole affair has taken on Gram which could explain the year he's having.
Seriously, though, I think people overstate the importance of 'scandals'. They're footballers surrounded by other footballers. Hardly an environment renowned for overwrought introspection...
We see footballers surrounded by other footballers with fast cars and even faster women and we think they're bullet-proof when really they are just human like you and I.
It's not something that I would like to go through.
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I still don't know how it tore his hip flexor.
His form was injury-riddled and now it's seemingly injury-ravaged.
I'm not sure your reason has had time to influence mine to be honest.
I'm not belittling the circumstances BTW.
His form was injury-riddled and now it's seemingly injury-ravaged.
I'm not sure your reason has had time to influence mine to be honest.
I'm not belittling the circumstances BTW.
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
I've seen it more than once where a player who is suffering from personal problems has a horror year on the field as well as off.Thinline wrote:I still don't know how it tore his hip flexor.
His form was injury-riddled and now it's seemingly injury-ravaged.
I'm not sure your reason has had time to influence mine to be honest.
I'm not belittling the circumstances BTW.
Injuries, suspensions...
Something like this is a massive distraction and it can easily affect one's ability to prepare. When the body isn't prepared, I would suggest that they're more susceptible to injury which can then lead on to a whole range of things which all make it more difficult for a player to get back to his best.
It can have a snowball effect on a footballer.
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About Lovett.
He never played for St Kilda, he just took our money.
He is more of an ex-Bomber than an ex-Saint. It's a shame we keep getting our club's name associated with him.
I hope this case galvanises the group.
He never played for St Kilda, he just took our money.
He is more of an ex-Bomber than an ex-Saint. It's a shame we keep getting our club's name associated with him.
I hope this case galvanises the group.
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