Altitude training.

[iwantmeseats]

Id look at this way Us Know Nothings or StKildas Fitness Staff?

Jury is out on that one.

[CURLY]

Well id back them. Id say Roo up and playing is more than enough evidence.

[eppo67]

The benefit of that type of trainning comes from now and over the next 3 to 4 weeks depending on the load and duration of the training
The players bodies will adapt and develope the ability to carry more oxygen to the cells ie. they will be fitter and able to run at full tilt for longer and recover quicker ie they will be able to repeat that cycle (sprint, recover, sprint) quicker than before this type of trainning.
Misson is a International standard Fitness Coach he knows exactly what he is doing. The main disadvantage is that that they will be stuffed for the first weeks match after this trainning (ie Essendon match).
Dont confuse this with Roos hyperbarick Chamber treatment they are completely different.
Dont be surprised, if a top 4 spot is locked up, if they do it again before the Round 21 Game.

[Beej]

I must admit the altitude training thing does have a touch of the "well, whilst we've got the thing sitting there, we may as well make use of it, eh?" about it.

[eppo67]

Trust me beej that is not the reason they are using it

[bigred]

Misson has the runs on the board as far as I am concerned.

If they think that it will give them the edge, them so be it.

Perhaps they just did not think the caravan of altitude would be quite that effective.

[Moccha]

I must admit the altitude training thing does have a touch of the "well, whilst we've got the thing sitting there, we may as well make use of it, eh?" about it.

How did it get there in the 1st place?

Geez they must have built one!

I wonder why?

Maybe to increase their aerobic capacity!

[Beej]

I must admit the altitude training thing does have a touch of the "well, whilst we've got the thing sitting there, we may as well make use of it, eh?" about it.

How did it get there in the 1st place?

Geez they must have built one!

I wonder why?

Maybe to increase their aerobic capacity!

They brought it in specifically as a hyperbaric chamber for Roo to help his recovery.

Maybe they came across the "altitude" switch by accident and thought, "bonus! get in there boys and run around for while!"

[eppo67]

Wrong beej that is not the reason they brought it. Roo used a chamber in Cranbourne at a private clinic.
Misson got it b/c he knows what the benefits are for fitness and aerobic capacity for the entire list. It is by the way an entire room not a chamber.

[Beej]

Wrong beej that is not the reason they brought it. Roo used a chamber in Cranbourne at a private clinic.
Misson got it b/c he knows what the benefits are for fitness and aerobic capacity for the entire list. It is by the way an entire room not a chamber.

Fair enough, it was to assist in Roo's fitness level but it was brought in specifically for Roo is what my point was.

The difference between a hyperbaric room and an altitude room is just the way it uses oxygen. Altitude room cuts off air while a hyperbaric chamber/room increases the pressure of it.

So I'm sure it can do both and I'm sure it was used for both without him having to drive to Cranbourne all the time.

[eppo67]

Sorry beej the Chamber Roo used in Cranbourne was only used in the initial month after his Injury. This was to speed the recovery and quality of the initial recovery. It is thought to have no benefit for repairing tendons after this period of time.
The rest of the time he has been using it like everybody else on the list to increase aerobic capacity and fitness.

[saintsRrising]

Wrong beej that is not the reason they brought it. Roo used a chamber in Cranbourne at a private clinic.
Misson got it b/c he knows what the benefits are for fitness and aerobic capacity for the entire list. It is by the way an entire room not a chamber.

I think you will find that it was donated by one of our long-time supporters and ex-Board Members who part-owns Jayco and who built it.

No doubt the intent was to benefit more than Roo..but getting Roo back early was the focus.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... -yjqw.html

Former Brisbane Lions physiotherapist Victor Popov is one of the founders of ATS. He said the van would be operational in a ''week or so'', and could help Riewoldt attain full fitness in time for this year's finals.

''You need about six weeks of simulated altitude training to get any benefit, and 10 weeks is better,'' Popov said.

[Beej]

Sorry beej the Chamber Roo used in Cranbourne was only used in the initial month after his Injury. This was to speed the recovery and quality of the initial recovery. It is thought to have no benefit for repairing tendons after this period of time.
The rest of the time he has been using it like everybody else on the list to increase aerobic capacity and fitness.

Sorry eppo.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... -yjqw.html

ST KILDA has built a ''simulated-altitude'' training caravan at Moorabbin that will help injured forward Nick Riewoldt attain full fitness ahead of this year's finals.

''The van will be up and running in a couple of weeks, and training in such a facility can halve the recovery time of an injured player,'' he said.

Therefore, according to that article it was used to both aid the recovery of Riewoldt as well as increase his fitness base.

It does both, it was used for both.

[Animal Enclosure]

It's very amusing reading these posts from people who admit to knowing nothing about the topic but still feel qualified to bag it.

[saint3d]

Collingwood have been doing it pre season for the last few years. AND Im here to tell ya if they win the flag this year, it wont have absolutely anything to do with the fact they went to florida pre season and everything to do with the fact they are playing great footy at the right time.

July isn't the right time if you ask me. You may disagree. But please elaborate on the type and quality of pre season training having nothing to do with winning premierships.

Damn, too many nerdy poindexters involved in footy these days who think that because they studied dome fanciful airy fairy bulls*** at "uni" they can mess with WORKING formula;s that have stood the test of time for 150 years.

I don't think the game and/or training regimes even remotely resemble those of just 15 years ago, let alone 150. Do you think players were loading and tapering for finals before they actually had a league in which to compete?

Yeah yeah I hear you say, but other teams improve and we must find ways to improve and combat this. Pffft! Look at whats NOT working or what could work BETTER, not what is humming along nicely. I.E - training like we did last year, the year before that....and repeat.

It doesn't matter how you sugar coat it, the Saints lost the Grand Final last year. What could work BETTER this year is not losing it. And accuracy may have been a factor, but the game plan of 'get in front early and hang on' was also a factor. This year's plan of 'don't get blown away early and smash them in the second half' addresses that factor, and fitness is hugely important to that.

If you're willing to describe altitude training as black magic it's not too much to assume you haven't researched it. But to then bet your family jewels on it being ineffective is simply stupid. Do you really think the fitness staff don't know what they're doing? That they thought 'What would happen if we did this? Let's find out!' Really?

[meher baba]

Well, I do know a bit about contemporary uses of hyperbaric chambers to improve fitness/aerobic capacity and I know that the medical experts are divided as to whether or not it is effective. There are also undoubtedly risks involved, as we have perhaps seen.

I'm not sure that comments like "Misson's record speaks for itself" are all that relevant in relation to a bit of an "out there" training technique This could be a monumental stuff-up, based on people getting carried away with their new toy. It's certainly a risky experiment to make when we hadn't cemented our spot in the top 4 and were going into successive games against traditional danger sides.

But it's all just rumour, so who really knows what went on.

[saintbrat]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5902338395

heavy training?

[Beej]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5902338395

heavy training?

Everyone who's posted in this thread should read.

After reading that I'm almost disappointed now that it seems we're not going to be "slingshotting" this year.

Sounds like a massive advantage to me.

Load them up I say. Roll the dice.

[MC Gusto]

of course they are loading them. it is obvious and i wouldnt be surprised if it coincided with roo's return - put them all on the same 'preseason' like routine. the altitude program and loading will probably continue for a week or two more no matter what the press says. just my opinion.

watch em fly come sept