Holding the ball decisions 2004-2010
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Holding the ball decisions 2004-2010
Source: One week at a time (One HD)
From rounds 1-12
2004 279
2005 294
2006 533
2007 643
2008 667
2009 752
2010 770
What a dramatic increase. I guess that's why we have tried to set the benchmark in tackling.
From rounds 1-12
2004 279
2005 294
2006 533
2007 643
2008 667
2009 752
2010 770
What a dramatic increase. I guess that's why we have tried to set the benchmark in tackling.
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Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
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Yes the umpires are consistently badkosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
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I disagreeiwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
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Gazza got caught twice on the weekend and a few times in the games leading up to it, the pack has apparently caught him.degruch wrote:Holding the ball paid against Gary Ablett and Chris Judd *:
2004: 0
2005: 0
2006: 0
2007: 0
2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 0
There's umpiring consistency for ya!
* Results may have been altered within a 1-2 penalty tolerance.
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that's ridiculous, our game has always been about rewarding the bloke who has the guts to put his head down and get the ball. Now it's about a bunch of blokes taking the easy way out and jumping on the top of him. Its turned into rugby union. Release the ball at all costs even if it means throwing it.plugger66 wrote:Much better if we just have another 30 ball ups a game. That would be great to watch. Why does it matter if there are now more holding the balls. Every club gets them ot do we miss out more than most. If we do it makes plenty of sense.
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Of course the rule has changed. It's a good thing it has too.
Players are faster, their reflexes are better, they've trained themselves to be increasingly harder to put into a compromising position. Look at the number of players now who reflexively get off a little kick with their arm pinned, where not long ago, we'd have been yelling "what's he supposed to do, where's the prior?"
Holding the ball, essentially a delay-of-game-call, has evolved with it. As has the umpire. of course there are more holding the ball calls today. In other news, going into the rain may cause you to get wet.
It's a problem that players are conning umpires with pull-it-back-in-and-pin... just as it's a problem how many seem to cynically throw the ball and dare the umps to make a call. These are things to give some thought to, not umpire interpretations of rules that are doing exactly what they're there for.
Players are faster, their reflexes are better, they've trained themselves to be increasingly harder to put into a compromising position. Look at the number of players now who reflexively get off a little kick with their arm pinned, where not long ago, we'd have been yelling "what's he supposed to do, where's the prior?"
Holding the ball, essentially a delay-of-game-call, has evolved with it. As has the umpire. of course there are more holding the ball calls today. In other news, going into the rain may cause you to get wet.
It's a problem that players are conning umpires with pull-it-back-in-and-pin... just as it's a problem how many seem to cynically throw the ball and dare the umps to make a call. These are things to give some thought to, not umpire interpretations of rules that are doing exactly what they're there for.
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So you want more ball ups because that is what would happen because tackling is so good today. i'd rather a few frees paid because if you dont pay them everyone will just dive on the ball with no result apart from a ball up.BringBackMadDog wrote:that's ridiculous, our game has always been about rewarding the bloke who has the guts to put his head down and get the ball. Now it's about a bunch of blokes taking the easy way out and jumping on the top of him. Its turned into rugby union. Release the ball at all costs even if it means throwing it.plugger66 wrote:Much better if we just have another 30 ball ups a game. That would be great to watch. Why does it matter if there are now more holding the balls. Every club gets them ot do we miss out more than most. If we do it makes plenty of sense.
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Who would want to watch something that is "great to watch"?rodgerfox wrote:Some people like the footy because of the contest between men and clubs - not because it's 'great to watch'.plugger66 wrote:Much better if we just have another 30 ball ups a game. That would be great to watch.
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Schneider last week as an example.iwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
I dont think Schneider rid of it though.fingers wrote:Schneider last week as an example.iwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
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True. Never had a chance. I think they should all stand around the ball in a goddess circle a will it out with pleasant thoughts...that'd be exciting footy.plugger66 wrote:I dont think Schneider rid of it though.fingers wrote:Schneider last week as an example.iwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
Did he jump on it first or pull it in because if he did there is no prior opportunity.degruch wrote:True. Never had a chance. I think they should all stand around the ball in a goddess circle a will it out with pleasant thoughts...that'd be exciting footy.plugger66 wrote:I dont think Schneider rid of it though.fingers wrote:Schneider last week as an example.iwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
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There was no 'jump on' or 'pull in' motion involved, he was sliding as he took possession, whilst a near stationary opposition player grabbed him and the ball. Nothing wrong with any of it, apart from the lightening fast HTB call before Schnieder had reached his third attempt to punch the ball out of his/opposition players hands. Sould have been a boring ball up, but was sdaly, an exciting scoring opportunity for Freo.plugger66 wrote:Did he jump on it first or pull it in because if he did there is no prior opportunity.degruch wrote:True. Never had a chance. I think they should all stand around the ball in a goddess circle a will it out with pleasant thoughts...that'd be exciting footy.plugger66 wrote:I dont think Schneider rid of it though.fingers wrote:Schneider last week as an example.iwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
If you dont pay them there will be so many ball ups the game will become just a very much stop hardly start game. The umpires just have to try as best they can to get the decisions right.degruch wrote:There was no 'jump on' or 'pull in' motion involved, he was sliding as he took possession, whilst a near stationary opposition player grabbed him and the ball. Nothing wrong with any of it, apart from the lightening fast HTB call before Schnieder had reached his third attempt to punch the ball out of his/opposition players hands. Sould have been a boring ball up, but was sdaly, an exciting scoring opportunity for Freo.plugger66 wrote:Did he jump on it first or pull it in because if he did there is no prior opportunity.degruch wrote:True. Never had a chance. I think they should all stand around the ball in a goddess circle a will it out with pleasant thoughts...that'd be exciting footy.plugger66 wrote:I dont think Schneider rid of it though.fingers wrote:Schneider last week as an example.iwantmeseats wrote:Wrong! They pay PLENTY wherethere is no oppotunity in anyway what soever. What game you watching??kosifantutti23 wrote:I think they are pretty consistent.
If you had opportunity and get tackled but don't make an effort, you get pinged.
If you dive on the ball and get tackled, you get pinged.
Can one of the mods move this over to the General footy discussion board?
What would you suggest the rule should be?
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Exactly as is, only with prior opportunity taken into account. Some benefit must be paid for players attempting to make the play that find themselves set upon by outside receivers.plugger66 wrote:What would you suggest the rule should be?
To use the Filth as an example, it's very exciting to have a lot of Dale Thomas' out there, but someone has to be a Luke Ball to make that happen.
If a player jumps on the ball and is given prior opportunity what happens if it is held in by either that player or another player?degruch wrote:Exactly as is, only with prior opportunity taken into account. Some benefit must be paid for players attempting to make the play that find themselves set upon by outside receivers.plugger66 wrote:What would you suggest the rule should be?
To use the Filth as an example, it's very exciting to have a lot of Dale Thomas' out there, but someone has to be a Luke Ball to make that happen.
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HTB. Where is this line of questioning heading, your honour?plugger66 wrote:If a player jumps on the ball and is given prior opportunity what happens if it is held in by either that player or another player?degruch wrote:Exactly as is, only with prior opportunity taken into account. Some benefit must be paid for players attempting to make the play that find themselves set upon by outside receivers.plugger66 wrote:What would you suggest the rule should be?
To use the Filth as an example, it's very exciting to have a lot of Dale Thomas' out there, but someone has to be a Luke Ball to make that happen.
So it will end up the same as it is now.degruch wrote:HTB. Where is this line of questioning heading, your honour?plugger66 wrote:If a player jumps on the ball and is given prior opportunity what happens if it is held in by either that player or another player?degruch wrote:Exactly as is, only with prior opportunity taken into account. Some benefit must be paid for players attempting to make the play that find themselves set upon by outside receivers.plugger66 wrote:What would you suggest the rule should be?
To use the Filth as an example, it's very exciting to have a lot of Dale Thomas' out there, but someone has to be a Luke Ball to make that happen.
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Except with prior opportunity added.plugger66 wrote:So it will end up the same as it is now.degruch wrote:HTB. Where is this line of questioning heading, your honour?plugger66 wrote:If a player jumps on the ball and is given prior opportunity what happens if it is held in by either that player or another player?degruch wrote:Exactly as is, only with prior opportunity taken into account. Some benefit must be paid for players attempting to make the play that find themselves set upon by outside receivers.plugger66 wrote:What would you suggest the rule should be?
To use the Filth as an example, it's very exciting to have a lot of Dale Thomas' out there, but someone has to be a Luke Ball to make that happen.