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At the moment in our team were playing 4 talls in Kosi, McEvoy, Stanley and Gardi rotating through Ruck and the forward line.
Obviously with Roo coming back it'd be too top heavy with him, Rhys and Kosi. We've also got King returning from Injury. Does he come in for McEvoy or is he passed it? Do we drop Stanley for Roo? What would you like to see happen? Who plays come finals time.
Obviously with Roo coming back it'd be too top heavy with him, Rhys and Kosi. We've also got King returning from Injury. Does he come in for McEvoy or is he passed it? Do we drop Stanley for Roo? What would you like to see happen? Who plays come finals time.
I actually agree with Pluggerplugger66 wrote:Baring injury Stanley I would think will not play and it will probably be a toss of the coin between Ben and King if King can get a few games into him before the finals. I dont care who plays for the future. I want them to pick the best player that will hopefully get us a GF win.
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It is the best way of being right.Saint Bev wrote:I actually agree with Pluggerplugger66 wrote:Baring injury Stanley I would think will not play and it will probably be a toss of the coin between Ben and King if King can get a few games into him before the finals. I dont care who plays for the future. I want them to pick the best player that will hopefully get us a GF win.
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I agree tooplugger66 wrote:It is the best way of being right.Saint Bev wrote:I actually agree with Pluggerplugger66 wrote:Baring injury Stanley I would think will not play and it will probably be a toss of the coin between Ben and King if King can get a few games into him before the finals. I dont care who plays for the future. I want them to pick the best player that will hopefully get us a GF win.
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Ben has still been good around the ground, but maybe struggling a little in the hitouts?
Competition for spots isn't a bad thing though.
I agree SainterK. I thought McEvoy may have turned the corner (still a few corners to turn still though before he becomes an integral part of the team) - in his work around the ground, he presents more and takes more marks, kicks more goals than King. But you're spot on, he is really struggling in the hit outs.SainterK wrote:I agree tooplugger66 wrote:It is the best way of being right.Saint Bev wrote:I actually agree with Pluggerplugger66 wrote:Baring injury Stanley I would think will not play and it will probably be a toss of the coin between Ben and King if King can get a few games into him before the finals. I dont care who plays for the future. I want them to pick the best player that will hopefully get us a GF win.![]()
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Ben has still been good around the ground, but maybe struggling a little in the hitouts?
Competition for spots isn't a bad thing though.
So if RL wants a ruck/forward type player, McEvoy will be retained. But if we want a genuine proven ruckman (which is important against the likes of Sandilands, King was very good against Fremantle earlier this year due to his experience) then King will slot back in.
As you say competition is a good thing, it's a good position to be in.
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Myself tooSainterK wrote:I agree tooplugger66 wrote:It is the best way of being right.Saint Bev wrote:I actually agree with Pluggerplugger66 wrote:Baring injury Stanley I would think will not play and it will probably be a toss of the coin between Ben and King if King can get a few games into him before the finals. I dont care who plays for the future. I want them to pick the best player that will hopefully get us a GF win.![]()
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Ben has still been good around the ground, but maybe struggling a little in the hitouts?
Competition for spots isn't a bad thing though.
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For mine it would be Gardiner Macevoy Kosi and Roo, but at the end of the day the side should be picked on form and match ups, King and Stanley very important as they provide the option that gives us choices.
One things for sure we cant afford to be conservative at the selection table IMO, would hope that Lynch, Heyne, Armo, Steven, A Smith and J Smith all get a run in the next 10 rounds as well as obviously Roo and Gram get back.
One things for sure we cant afford to be conservative at the selection table IMO, would hope that Lynch, Heyne, Armo, Steven, A Smith and J Smith all get a run in the next 10 rounds as well as obviously Roo and Gram get back.
Maybe this year?
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Wisdom doesn't help if you can't get to the ball, and he already has a GF medal.Calais wrote:..and wiser :PBernard Shakey wrote:He's another year older and slower.Calais wrote:If Kingy was fully fit and the GF was played this week I'd play Him over McEvoy
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He doesn't need to get more than 10+ disposals to be effective. Yeah around the ground he wont offer us much but his tap work is great, something McEvoy has not yet mastered. What does his previous medal have to do with anything? Maybe it'll mean it'll make him hungrier as he knows this is his last year?Bernard Shakey wrote:Wisdom doesn't help if you can't get to the ball, and he already has a GF medal.Calais wrote:..and wiserBernard Shakey wrote:He's another year older and slower.Calais wrote:If Kingy was fully fit and the GF was played this week I'd play Him over McEvoy
I'd play him against Geelong, he throws Blake off his game.Calais wrote:He doesn't need to get more than 10+ disposals to be effective. Yeah around the ground he wont offer us much but his tap work is great, something McEvoy has not yet mastered. What does his previous medal have to do with anything? Maybe it'll mean it'll make him hungrier as he knows this is his last year?Bernard Shakey wrote:Wisdom doesn't help if you can't get to the ball, and he already has a GF medal.Calais wrote:..and wiserBernard Shakey wrote:He's another year older and slower.Calais wrote:If Kingy was fully fit and the GF was played this week I'd play Him over McEvoy
And yes if Big Mac misses out that'll make him hungrier next year.
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Last year was his last year. He stayed on for backup and as ruck coach.Calais wrote:He doesn't need to get more than 10+ disposals to be effective. Yeah around the ground he wont offer us much but his tap work is great, something McEvoy has not yet mastered. What does his previous medal have to do with anything? Maybe it'll mean it'll make him hungrier as he knows this is his last year?Bernard Shakey wrote:Wisdom doesn't help if you can't get to the ball, and he already has a GF medal.Calais wrote:..and wiser :PBernard Shakey wrote:He's another year older and slower.Calais wrote:If Kingy was fully fit and the GF was played this week I'd play Him over McEvoy
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Ive always felt King gives away a lot of frees......now I know he does....BigMart wrote:Is King better than McEvoy ATM??
Ben
Average
Games 7
Kicks 3.0
HB 5.6
Dis 8.6
M 3.3
Goals 0.3
Beh 0.3
Tack 2.1
HO 8.4
FF 0.4
FA 0.6
47.7
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Games 6
Kick 3.7
HB 4.3
Disp 8.0
Marks 2.3
Goals 0
Beh 0
Tack 1.8
HO 13.7
FF 0.8
FA 2.0
DT 42.5
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82 of King's 221 SC points (37%) for the season are from his hitout work, the highest percentage of any ruckman in the league who has played more than one game for the season.dcstkfc wrote:Super Coach: McEvoy 49 ave King 37 ave
This suggests that he does pretty much nothing around the ground, but some his tap-work is still sublime.
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Certainly McEvoy over King. Remember McEvoy has played 19 games for 18 wins.
Someone raised an interesting point.
We could go with Gardiner & McEvoy in the ruck, and Kosi and Roo in the forward line. I like this model because it allows Kosi, Gardiner and McEvoy all to rotate through the ruck, the forward line and the bench. King cannot go forward.
But what if we chose Stanley ahead of McEvoy, and played Kosi more in the ruck?
Against Geelong, we could play Kosi in the ruck only against Mark Blake, with the remit to run Blake all over the ground, so Kosi is almost a fourth midfielder, exposing Blake's lack of any talent other than being tall. Then Gardiner would take Simpson/West/Hawkins.
This would leave Stanley and Riewoldt forward, which will confusing for the fans, would enable Kosi and Gardiner to give him a rest ont he bench, replacing him for short bursts forward.
Also, don't expect Riewoldt to play his 100% game time for a while yet.
Someone raised an interesting point.
We could go with Gardiner & McEvoy in the ruck, and Kosi and Roo in the forward line. I like this model because it allows Kosi, Gardiner and McEvoy all to rotate through the ruck, the forward line and the bench. King cannot go forward.
But what if we chose Stanley ahead of McEvoy, and played Kosi more in the ruck?
Against Geelong, we could play Kosi in the ruck only against Mark Blake, with the remit to run Blake all over the ground, so Kosi is almost a fourth midfielder, exposing Blake's lack of any talent other than being tall. Then Gardiner would take Simpson/West/Hawkins.
This would leave Stanley and Riewoldt forward, which will confusing for the fans, would enable Kosi and Gardiner to give him a rest ont he bench, replacing him for short bursts forward.
Also, don't expect Riewoldt to play his 100% game time for a while yet.
If we were going to give this a try, we would have to employ it as soon as Roo is back to give the players some time to get used to it..Kosi would have to work on his endurance running for this to work as well.ThePunter wrote:Certainly McEvoy over King. Remember McEvoy has played 19 games for 18 wins.
Someone raised an interesting point.
We could go with Gardiner & McEvoy in the ruck, and Kosi and Roo in the forward line. I like this model because it allows Kosi, Gardiner and McEvoy all to rotate through the ruck, the forward line and the bench. King cannot go forward.
But what if we chose Stanley ahead of McEvoy, and played Kosi more in the ruck?
Against Geelong, we could play Kosi in the ruck only against Mark Blake, with the remit to run Blake all over the ground, so Kosi is almost a fourth midfielder, exposing Blake's lack of any talent other than being tall. Then Gardiner would take Simpson/West/Hawkins.
This would leave Stanley and Riewoldt forward, which will confusing for the fans, would enable Kosi and Gardiner to give him a rest ont he bench, replacing him for short bursts forward.
Also, don't expect Riewoldt to play his 100% game time for a while yet.
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Would like to see STANLEY get a run in ruck !
Would like to see STANLEY get a run in ruck before the finals.
IMO he and KOSI sharing the 2nd ruck and forward role would provide a lot more than McEVOY or KING. Given that McEVOY hardly wins the ruck taps and gives next to nothing around the ground I would like to see up try other options.
Mix it up a little as generally most teams are playing a mobile ruckman as there 2nd string and I think with KOSI & Stanley we could really cash in on there strengths.
IMO he and KOSI sharing the 2nd ruck and forward role would provide a lot more than McEVOY or KING. Given that McEVOY hardly wins the ruck taps and gives next to nothing around the ground I would like to see up try other options.
Mix it up a little as generally most teams are playing a mobile ruckman as there 2nd string and I think with KOSI & Stanley we could really cash in on there strengths.
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