It's that time and I need someone to tell me all will be ok.

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

User avatar
degruch
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8948
Joined: Mon 19 May 2008 4:29pm
Location: Croydonia
Has thanked: 146 times
Been thanked: 237 times

Post: # 920030Post degruch »

rodgerfox wrote:
degruch wrote:
I don't think it has to be that black or white.

It definitely wasn't limp wristed in terms of effort.

In terms of execution, it was pathetic.


So although we're trying and having a crack, for 2 weeks in a row we've looked like a bottom 4 side in many areas.

And the scoreboard has reflected this.

If we're not in a slump now, we're deadset rooted if we do go into one at some stage this year.
OK, I'll take your word for it RF. I still don't believe (a) we'll lose, or (b) the sky will fall in if we do.


maverick
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5023
Joined: Sun 14 Mar 2004 10:42am
Location: Bayside
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 93 times

Post: # 920035Post maverick »

rodgerfox wrote:
degruch wrote:
I don't think it has to be that black or white.

It definitely wasn't limp wristed in terms of effort.

In terms of execution, it was pathetic.


So although we're trying and having a crack, for 2 weeks in a row we've looked like a bottom 4 side in many areas.

And the scoreboard has reflected this.

If we're not in a slump now, we're deadset rooted if we do go into one at some stage this year.
I agree with RF it would feel like a slump, but it just wouldn't be.
I just don't think RF has seen many of this year's bottom sides go round :shock:

If we lose any of the games against the real bottom 4 sides, like we have in the next few weeks, then it really is a slump.

Before the Port game, I thought if we win 2 of the next 3 then top 2 is on track, tonight's the third game.

They are due to beat us tonight, it's going to be tough.
They should have beaten us last year, but couldn't, they will be primed.


User avatar
st_Trav_ofWA
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8886
Joined: Wed 13 Sep 2006 7:10pm
Location: Perth
Contact:

Post: # 920036Post st_Trav_ofWA »

so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:

well if that the case i would much rather this slump then the hawthorn version


"The team that wins in the most positions and makes the least amount of mistakes, usually wins the game." -- Allan Jeans

http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
User avatar
degruch
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8948
Joined: Mon 19 May 2008 4:29pm
Location: Croydonia
Has thanked: 146 times
Been thanked: 237 times

Post: # 920040Post degruch »

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:

well if that the case i would much rather this slump then the hawthorn version
But Hawthorn's slump will bottom out soon, when they reach 16th...we've got so much more to lose by slumping at the top of the ladder (well, almost). There's a lot more to these slumps than meets the eye, isn't there!?! :?


User avatar
markp
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 15583
Joined: Mon 26 Mar 2007 4:22pm
Has thanked: 63 times
Been thanked: 82 times

Post: # 920042Post markp »

Saints will bring their 'A' game tonight, and win by 5+ goals... Lock it.


User avatar
MC Gusto
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6083
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 8:29am
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 372 times

Post: # 920046Post MC Gusto »

yeah i am a bit nervous but have a feeling we will bring our last quarter agains the dogs rather than the 1st 3. you could see the gameplan really clicked - even without roo so i hope that is the way we start out tonight.


#1 Ryder fan
User avatar
Quixote
SS Life Member
Posts: 2793
Joined: Fri 05 Jan 2007 2:57pm
Location: Look for the windmills

Post: # 920049Post Quixote »

markp wrote:Saints will bring their 'A' game tonight, and win by 5+ goals... Lock it.
Agreed.


Fortius Quo Fidelius Yo
User avatar
Quixote
SS Life Member
Posts: 2793
Joined: Fri 05 Jan 2007 2:57pm
Location: Look for the windmills

Post: # 920050Post Quixote »

Saints43 wrote:
degruch wrote:If we lost, would it matter? We're 5-1, round 7.
Think of those at the match should we lose...

Image
Top right behind the rock, looks like Stevie Baker. He looks sad.


Fortius Quo Fidelius Yo
User avatar
rodgerfox
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9059
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 9:10am
Has thanked: 425 times
Been thanked: 327 times

Post: # 920051Post rodgerfox »

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:

well if that the case i would much rather this slump then the hawthorn version
It depends.

Which why I'm being 'grey' about it, and not completely 'black or white'.

I understand that most on here just cannot grasp that concept.


We were very average against Port. Poor skills, clumsy and messy going forward, couldn't score and had plenty of players go missing completely.

Against the Dogs, we were gutsy no doubt. Had a real crack at them and didn't give up.
However, our skills were shiithouse. We were clumsy going forward, couldn't score and really only put in about 30 minutes of good footy.

But, we won. Or as most out there believe - the Bulldogs lost.

Regardless of the result though, we did not play good footy. Nor did the Dogs. Which is probably the most worrying aspect of that game.


We could have, some would argue should have, lost the last 2 games. That has to be a concern as both games weren't against world beaters.

If tonight's game is close, it's irrelevant to us being in a 'slump' or not. It's about how we play.

The past fortnight, we've played really poorly. If we do again tonight and win it can become a positive - to be in a slump and win 2 from 3 suggests that when we hit form we'll be pretty hard to beat!

But if we play poorly and lose, then you need to start asking questions....


Was last year an aberration? Is this is as good as we are?

Have we been 'worked out' by the opposition?

Are we in a slump? And if so, can we get out of it?

Do we now officially rely too heavily on Roo?


Now of course there could be plenty of other positive questions asked aswell....

Are we timing our run better this year?

Are we practising new tweaks to the game plan?

etc. etc.

And these may be the case, but as a logical supporter surely you can accept that playing poorly for 3 straight weeks and losing 2 of those games isn't convincing?


User avatar
rodgerfox
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9059
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 9:10am
Has thanked: 425 times
Been thanked: 327 times

Post: # 920052Post rodgerfox »

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:
Sorry st_Trav, but it's not as black or white as looking at the ladder after 7 rounds.


na exa
Club Player
Posts: 933
Joined: Wed 07 Apr 2010 2:15am
Location: with the G1'ers , goalpost waxing
Contact:

Post: # 920054Post na exa »

we'll smash em.

they're the pretenders , we are the real deal.

not a worry in sight. 28-)4 school.


ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
bigcarl
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 18636
Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
Has thanked: 1980 times
Been thanked: 865 times

Post: # 920055Post bigcarl »

rodgerfox wrote:Do we now officially rely too heavily on Roo?
against port and the bulldogs we reverted to a lot of numbers behind the ball, which indicates we probably aren't fully confident of kicking a winning score without him.

i know you lose a lot around the ground, but we can play more to our "usual" structure if bj takes on riewoldt's role in his absence.

i know he's not riewoldt and they have different attributes and strengths, but he is a gun player nevertheless.

personally i'd put bj at ff and give him some space and move kosi out to chf.
Last edited by bigcarl on Mon 10 May 2010 3:53pm, edited 2 times in total.


bob__71
Club Player
Posts: 1008
Joined: Thu 06 Jan 2005 3:40pm

Post: # 920056Post bob__71 »

rodgerfox wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:
Sorry st_Trav, but it's not as black or white as looking at the ladder after 7 rounds.
I agree with Trav I think it is that simple. I think your more complex answer Rodger is making footy out to be a more complex game than it really is.

In fact I would go so far as to say, I think it is a great sign having a skilled side not clicking but still winning.

And the Bulldogs were considered world beaters not long ago.

Also, I think we will flog the blues by close to 100 points tonight.


User avatar
markp
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 15583
Joined: Mon 26 Mar 2007 4:22pm
Has thanked: 63 times
Been thanked: 82 times

Post: # 920059Post markp »

bigcarl wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:Do we now officially rely too heavily on Roo?
against port and the bulldogs we reverted to a lot of numbers behind the ball, which indicates we probably aren't fully confident of kicking a winning score without him.

i know you lose a lot around the ground, but we can play more to our "usual" structure if bj takes on riewoldt's role in his absence.

i know he's not riewoldt and they have different attributes and strengths, but he is a gun player nevertheless.

personally i'd put bj at ff and give him some space and move kosi out to chf.
Yup, I really think the problem has been no Roo and no Gram, not just no Roo... hopefully, tonight we shall see.


fingers
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4642
Joined: Thu 22 Sep 2005 11:17am
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Post: # 920060Post fingers »

Quixote wrote:
markp wrote:Saints will bring their 'A' game tonight, and win by 5+ goals... Lock it.
Agreed.
Thank you. I am choosing to ignore all other posts in this thread. These two speak the truth as far as I am concerned.

GO SAINTS!


User avatar
rodgerfox
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9059
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 9:10am
Has thanked: 425 times
Been thanked: 327 times

Post: # 920061Post rodgerfox »

bob__71 wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:
Sorry st_Trav, but it's not as black or white as looking at the ladder after 7 rounds.
I agree with Trav I think it is that simple. I think your more complex answer Rodger is making footy out to be a more complex game than it really is.

In fact I would go so far as to say, I think it is a great sign having a skilled side not clicking but still winning.

And the Bulldogs were considered world beaters not long ago.

Also, I think we will flog the blues by close to 100 points tonight.
Seriously??

So the fact that we may be equal top after 7 rounds means there is no need to improve or assess what we're doing right or wrong?

But simply looking at the ladder tells us we're equal best. Full stop?


Surely you don't believe that.


And...who the hell is going to kick the goals to give us a 100 victory??


na exa
Club Player
Posts: 933
Joined: Wed 07 Apr 2010 2:15am
Location: with the G1'ers , goalpost waxing
Contact:

Post: # 920062Post na exa »

Also, I think we will flog the blues by close to 100 points tonight.
thats a smashing !



10 goals and above it is then .

nothing to worry about about op'er. :)


ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
bob__71
Club Player
Posts: 1008
Joined: Thu 06 Jan 2005 3:40pm

Post: # 920063Post bob__71 »

At this point in the year being equal top is all that matters...form/skill to go with the guts and determination well if we dont improve that by the end of the year it might be time to worry. not at week 7 and equal top of the ladder.

And its only Carlton....one or two players will show up we only need 20 goals to beat Carlton by 100pts.


User avatar
markp
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 15583
Joined: Mon 26 Mar 2007 4:22pm
Has thanked: 63 times
Been thanked: 82 times

Post: # 920064Post markp »

fingers wrote:
Quixote wrote:
markp wrote:Saints will bring their 'A' game tonight, and win by 5+ goals... Lock it.
Agreed.
Thank you. I am choosing to ignore all other posts in this thread. These two speak the truth as far as I am concerned.

GO SAINTS!
Image


User avatar
st_Trav_ofWA
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8886
Joined: Wed 13 Sep 2006 7:10pm
Location: Perth
Contact:

Post: # 920075Post st_Trav_ofWA »

rodgerfox wrote:
bob__71 wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:
Sorry st_Trav, but it's not as black or white as looking at the ladder after 7 rounds.
I agree with Trav I think it is that simple. I think your more complex answer Rodger is making footy out to be a more complex game than it really is.

In fact I would go so far as to say, I think it is a great sign having a skilled side not clicking but still winning.

And the Bulldogs were considered world beaters not long ago.

Also, I think we will flog the blues by close to 100 points tonight.
Seriously??

So the fact that we may be equal top after 7 rounds means there is no need to improve or assess what we're doing right or wrong?

But simply looking at the ladder tells us we're equal best. Full stop?


Surely you don't believe that.


And...who the hell is going to kick the goals to give us a 100 victory??
never said that we dont need to improve .. thats a given that we need to improve but so does every team in the comp need to improve but you cant say because we struggled in the wet in adelaide without our captain and our leading rebound player and then because we played an unattractive game that we still managed to win against a team that was widely touted as a dead set cert for a g/f this year that we are in a slump ...
we are not playing our best footy but hey wheres the point in playing the perfect game at this time of the year ???


"The team that wins in the most positions and makes the least amount of mistakes, usually wins the game." -- Allan Jeans

http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
User avatar
saintbrat
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 44575
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
Location: saints zone
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 188 times

Post: # 920078Post saintbrat »

I am always nervous till the first bounce or the first bounce back- rebound-- a mark taken in defence and into Joey or BJ's hands and we're off - I then know they are 'on'

But now can't eat during a match :?


StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
Image
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
User avatar
rodgerfox
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9059
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 9:10am
Has thanked: 425 times
Been thanked: 327 times

Post: # 920082Post rodgerfox »

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
bob__71 wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:
Sorry st_Trav, but it's not as black or white as looking at the ladder after 7 rounds.
I agree with Trav I think it is that simple. I think your more complex answer Rodger is making footy out to be a more complex game than it really is.

In fact I would go so far as to say, I think it is a great sign having a skilled side not clicking but still winning.

And the Bulldogs were considered world beaters not long ago.

Also, I think we will flog the blues by close to 100 points tonight.
Seriously??

So the fact that we may be equal top after 7 rounds means there is no need to improve or assess what we're doing right or wrong?

But simply looking at the ladder tells us we're equal best. Full stop?


Surely you don't believe that.


And...who the hell is going to kick the goals to give us a 100 victory??
never said that we dont need to improve .. thats a given that we need to improve but so does every team in the comp need to improve but you cant say because we struggled in the wet in adelaide without our captain and our leading rebound player and then because we played an unattractive game that we still managed to win against a team that was widely touted as a dead set cert for a g/f this year that we are in a slump ...
we are not playing our best footy but hey wheres the point in playing the perfect game at this time of the year ???
We're not playing our best footy. We're not even close to playing our best footy. If that form continues for 3 weeks, then I think it's very fair and reasonable to say we're in a slump.

Or more to the point, I hope it's a slump - and not a true indication of what we're capable of this year.

As for your last question/statement, I think I answered that in a previous post.

Having said that, if we win well tonight then things look great really.


bob__71
Club Player
Posts: 1008
Joined: Thu 06 Jan 2005 3:40pm

Post: # 920088Post bob__71 »

rodgerfox wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
bob__71 wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:so let me ask you this .....
say we win by a kick in a slogfest where it is again a low scoring high possesion game would you say we are in a slump at equal top on the ladder ?? :roll:
Sorry st_Trav, but it's not as black or white as looking at the ladder after 7 rounds.
I agree with Trav I think it is that simple. I think your more complex answer Rodger is making footy out to be a more complex game than it really is.

In fact I would go so far as to say, I think it is a great sign having a skilled side not clicking but still winning.

And the Bulldogs were considered world beaters not long ago.

Also, I think we will flog the blues by close to 100 points tonight.
Seriously??

So the fact that we may be equal top after 7 rounds means there is no need to improve or assess what we're doing right or wrong?

But simply looking at the ladder tells us we're equal best. Full stop?


Surely you don't believe that.


And...who the hell is going to kick the goals to give us a 100 victory??
never said that we dont need to improve .. thats a given that we need to improve but so does every team in the comp need to improve but you cant say because we struggled in the wet in adelaide without our captain and our leading rebound player and then because we played an unattractive game that we still managed to win against a team that was widely touted as a dead set cert for a g/f this year that we are in a slump ...
we are not playing our best footy but hey wheres the point in playing the perfect game at this time of the year ???
We're not playing our best footy. We're not even close to playing our best footy. If that form continues for 3 weeks, then I think it's very fair and reasonable to say we're in a slump.

Or more to the point, I hope it's a slump - and not a true indication of what we're capable of this year.

As for your last question/statement, I think I answered that in a previous post.

Having said that, if we win well tonight then things look great really.
I fail to see how beating a rabble like Carlton could make any difference to the outlook for the year. I mean they really should be playing in the VFL.


na exa
Club Player
Posts: 933
Joined: Wed 07 Apr 2010 2:15am
Location: with the G1'ers , goalpost waxing
Contact:

Post: # 920091Post na exa »

ImageImage

Image

i see rodgerfox :lol:


ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
aussiejones
Club Player
Posts: 1357
Joined: Wed 07 Apr 2004 8:42pm

Post: # 920098Post aussiejones »

I hope Gram is fully fit .

We need Goddard in the forward 50 some of the night.

Long break should help. Although Carlton are rabble , they have some quick players who will need attention all night.

I would be happy with 2-3 goal win and no injuries.


Post Reply