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Terrible mistake bringing Kosi straight in..
It is a real kick in the guts for the other guys pushing for selection week in and week out when you get a guy who hasn't warranted a game since long before the finals last year, yet just walks in to a team after a 3 game suspension when he was playing TERRIBLY long before getting susepended!
Regardless if we have foward options, his form is pathetic and should be made to earn his spot through Sandringham and not just waltz in on the off chance he fires! Sends a terrible message to the rest of the team, especially the kids.
Regardless if we have foward options, his form is pathetic and should be made to earn his spot through Sandringham and not just waltz in on the off chance he fires! Sends a terrible message to the rest of the team, especially the kids.
Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to stay on my toes.
Is the only thing you do on this forum is to bag Kosi?
2 threads in about 15 minutes aftergod knows how long and all you do is scapegoat.
Piss weak effort.
Lift your game.
2 threads in about 15 minutes aftergod knows how long and all you do is scapegoat.
Piss weak effort.
Lift your game.
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I agree. We should not have brought the leading contested mark getter from the 2009 AFLseason straight back into our team. Nor our third best goal kicker from last year.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:It is a real kick in the guts for the other guys pushing for selection week in and week out when you get a guy who hasn't warranted a game since long before the finals last year, yet just walks in to a team after a 3 game suspension when he was playing TERRIBLY long before getting susepended!
Regardless if we have foward options, his form is pathetic and should be made to earn his spot through Sandringham and not just waltz in on the off chance he fires! Sends a terrible message to the rest of the team, especially the kids.
Madness.
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Why? Rehabilitate him?? After 3 weeks off??? FFS, of course you'd put him straight back in the team, he's out prime KP forward at the moment.
How long would be accptable then? Bring him back in after the mid-season break? Honestly, sounds like he had a crap game tonight (haven't seen it), along with about 20 others.
How long would be accptable then? Bring him back in after the mid-season break? Honestly, sounds like he had a crap game tonight (haven't seen it), along with about 20 others.
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+1Quixote wrote:I agree. We should not have brought the leading contested mark getter from the 2009 AFLseason straight back into our team. Nor our third best goal kicker from last year.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:It is a real kick in the guts for the other guys pushing for selection week in and week out when you get a guy who hasn't warranted a game since long before the finals last year, yet just walks in to a team after a 3 game suspension when he was playing TERRIBLY long before getting susepended!
Regardless if we have foward options, his form is pathetic and should be made to earn his spot through Sandringham and not just waltz in on the off chance he fires! Sends a terrible message to the rest of the team, especially the kids.
Madness.
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Obviously didn't watch the finals last year or for that matter any of the preseason there buddy?? I am waiting for you to bring up his great 2005 as well. You might want to check your stats on his current form and get back to me.Quixote wrote:I agree. We should not have brought the leading contested mark getter from the 2009 AFLseason straight back into our team. Nor our third best goal kicker from last year.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:It is a real kick in the guts for the other guys pushing for selection week in and week out when you get a guy who hasn't warranted a game since long before the finals last year, yet just walks in to a team after a 3 game suspension when he was playing TERRIBLY long before getting susepended!
Regardless if we have foward options, his form is pathetic and should be made to earn his spot through Sandringham and not just waltz in on the off chance he fires! Sends a terrible message to the rest of the team, especially the kids.
Madness.
ON CURRENT FORM how does this guy get a call up?? You tell me?
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Hey no-one wants to bag our players but effort goes a long way. Watch carefully how many times he provided a contest or an option for the other players to kick to him. Then, watch Ebert's efforts and even Tredreas's. That is my sore point about him and I feel justified. Commentators said similar too from memory.
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But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.Sainternist wrote:rocket keogh's lc, how were the selectors meant to know that he was going to play poorly before the game?
they couldn't judge him on his round 1 form and he presented as the best possible replacement for roo.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
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Don't forget his woeful finals performances also.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.Sainternist wrote:rocket keogh's lc, how were the selectors meant to know that he was going to play poorly before the game?
they couldn't judge him on his round 1 form and he presented as the best possible replacement for roo.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
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If NAB Cup form was anything to go by, we'd still have Charlie Gardiner in the team. Form aside, he is a KP forward, he hasn't been out injured, he has been at training and unlikely to have forgotten how to play football after 3 weeks off...he was an automatic inclusion for this game.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
As for other guys being upset about not being given a crack, once they play one game in the AFL they'll be at least part the way towards improving their selection chances.
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I think Kosi has forgotten how to play football period. How can the guy be an automatic inclusion going on form? You never play a guy based on the need to fill a position if he hasn't earned the spot and as tonight proves that it doesn't work.degruch wrote:If NAB Cup form was anything to go by, we'd still have Charlie Gardiner in the team. Form aside, he is a KP forward, he hasn't been out injured, he has been at training and unlikely to have forgotten how to play football after 3 weeks off...he was an automatic inclusion for this game.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
As for other guys being upset about not being given a crack, once they play one game in the AFL they'll be at least part the way towards improving their selection chances.
Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to stay on my toes.
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look, i agree. his form has been unsatisfactory for a long time. but he was the best available option going on experience. we are just hoping that he will somehow carpe diem and find his old self with roo absent. hate to use cliches, but he really has to dig deep and have a good hard look at himself if he wants to continue his career at st.kilda f.c. beyond this year.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.Sainternist wrote:rocket keogh's lc, how were the selectors meant to know that he was going to play poorly before the game?
they couldn't judge him on his round 1 form and he presented as the best possible replacement for roo.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
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What I'm suggesting is that you don't really have any form on which to base an arguement. He wasn't terrible R1, hasn't played for 3 rounds, played quite well in 2009. NAB Cup for doesn't count. He has played FF for many years, so naturally, if he wasn't injured, you'd put him straight in the team.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:I think Kosi has forgotten how to play football period. How can the guy be an automatic inclusion going on form? You never play a guy based on the need to fill a position if he hasn't earned the spot and as tonight proves that it doesn't work.degruch wrote:If NAB Cup form was anything to go by, we'd still have Charlie Gardiner in the team. Form aside, he is a KP forward, he hasn't been out injured, he has been at training and unlikely to have forgotten how to play football after 3 weeks off...he was an automatic inclusion for this game.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
As for other guys being upset about not being given a crack, once they play one game in the AFL they'll be at least part the way towards improving their selection chances.
There isn't really anyone else you'd put in Kosi's position, unless you wanted to create a miss-match and run with a short forwardline. Given the teams training, structure, and poor weather conditions, that was never a likely option.
Kosi had a crap game tonight, but it certainly made perfect sense to have him out there.
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Don't have any form..ahha.degruch wrote:What I'm suggesting is that you don't really have any form on which to base an arguement. He wasn't terrible R1, hasn't played for 3 rounds, played quite well in 2009. NAB Cup for doesn't count. He has played FF for many years, so naturally, if he wasn't injured, you'd put him straight in the team.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:I think Kosi has forgotten how to play football period. How can the guy be an automatic inclusion going on form? You never play a guy based on the need to fill a position if he hasn't earned the spot and as tonight proves that it doesn't work.degruch wrote:If NAB Cup form was anything to go by, we'd still have Charlie Gardiner in the team. Form aside, he is a KP forward, he hasn't been out injured, he has been at training and unlikely to have forgotten how to play football after 3 weeks off...he was an automatic inclusion for this game.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
As for other guys being upset about not being given a crack, once they play one game in the AFL they'll be at least part the way towards improving their selection chances.
There isn't really anyone else you'd put in Kosi's position, unless you wanted to create a miss-match and run with a short forwardline. Given the teams training, structure, and poor weather conditions, that was never a likely option.
Kosi had a crap game tonight, but it certainly made perfect sense to have him out there.
Ok, so lets see here. Kosi has not played a good game since well before last years finals and was non existant in the preseason (which doesn't count for some reason)! He was extremely ordinary against Sydney in round 1, then got suspended for 3 games?
And I have no basis for an argument? It was logic for him to slot back in when his form suggests he should be playing for Sandringham? How can being away from the game help him when he couldn't even get a sniff when he was playing every single week?
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Thankfully for Kosi, if no-one else, my line of thinking is a lot closer to our coaches. Don't expect him to line up for Sandy next week.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:Don't have any form..ahha.degruch wrote:What I'm suggesting is that you don't really have any form on which to base an arguement. He wasn't terrible R1, hasn't played for 3 rounds, played quite well in 2009. NAB Cup for doesn't count. He has played FF for many years, so naturally, if he wasn't injured, you'd put him straight in the team.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:I think Kosi has forgotten how to play football period. How can the guy be an automatic inclusion going on form? You never play a guy based on the need to fill a position if he hasn't earned the spot and as tonight proves that it doesn't work.degruch wrote:If NAB Cup form was anything to go by, we'd still have Charlie Gardiner in the team. Form aside, he is a KP forward, he hasn't been out injured, he has been at training and unlikely to have forgotten how to play football after 3 weeks off...he was an automatic inclusion for this game.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:But he has been terrible in every single preseason game plus his first round as well.
Now you don't have to be Nostradamus to predict the guy is going to continue that form after 3 weeks away from the game.
How many excuses must this guy have before he is dropped?
As for other guys being upset about not being given a crack, once they play one game in the AFL they'll be at least part the way towards improving their selection chances.
There isn't really anyone else you'd put in Kosi's position, unless you wanted to create a miss-match and run with a short forwardline. Given the teams training, structure, and poor weather conditions, that was never a likely option.
Kosi had a crap game tonight, but it certainly made perfect sense to have him out there.
Ok, so lets see here. Kosi has not played a good game since well before last years finals and was non existant in the preseason (which doesn't count for some reason)! He was extremely ordinary against Sydney in round 1, then got suspended for 3 games?
And I have no basis for an argument? It was logic for him to slot back in when his form suggests he should be playing for Sandringham? How can being away from the game help him when he couldn't even get a sniff when he was playing every single week?
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So the new solution to players having a bad game or two is to drop them back to Sandy for a couple weeks? We might have to look at the possibility of naming the entire St Kilda/Sandy lists each week, playing musical chairs and naming a team 1 hour before the game.iwantmeseats wrote:Came within half a foot of giving himself another 3 weeks , again a few minutes into the game! Just cant go like that at the man anymore.
I love Kosi, but I agreee he has to earn his spot.
Cant see how you coul;d argue giving him a spell at Sandy and look at McEvoy/Stanley
McEvoy was dropped when Gardiner was ready to come back into the side, our preferred ruck combo being Gards/King...no point in having a 3rd ruck on the team. Stanley has never been dropped back to Sandy, he's yet to play a game for St Kilda.
If using the 2nds as punishment is going to work, it should be used sparingly. NDS, Milne and Ball were given months to improve before they were banished. Kosi will be very important for us against the Dogs, if he fails next week, then people might have a point requesting his demotion.
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You talk like this is Kosi's first bad game. Better yet you tell me the round in which Kosi actually played a good game for us??degruch wrote:So the new solution to players having a bad game or two is to drop them back to Sandy for a couple weeks? We might have to look at the possibility of naming the entire St Kilda/Sandy lists each week, playing musical chairs and naming a team 1 hour before the game.iwantmeseats wrote:Came within half a foot of giving himself another 3 weeks , again a few minutes into the game! Just cant go like that at the man anymore.
I love Kosi, but I agreee he has to earn his spot.
Cant see how you coul;d argue giving him a spell at Sandy and look at McEvoy/Stanley
McEvoy was dropped when Gardiner was ready to come back into the side, our preferred ruck combo being Gards/King...no point in having a 3rd ruck on the team. Stanley has never been dropped back to Sandy, he's yet to play a game for St Kilda.
If using the 2nds as punishment is going to work, it should be used sparingly. NDS, Milne and Ball were given months to improve before they were banished. Kosi will be very important for us against the Dogs, if he fails next week, then people might have a point requesting his demotion.
The guy has been given way to many oppurtunities and seems to get a game based on potential rather than form. Pitty he has never actually played one solid year in his last 9!
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I don't understand how a guy who got NO service from his comprehensively outpointed midfield can become such a whipping boy?
What did he have to do? Collect his own pill from the ruck, take a couple of bounces, and bang through five straight?
I'm seriously astounded at the level of vitriol headed his way.
Far as I can recall there were only two entries of anything resembling markability. He caught one and dropped another. Big whoop.
What did he have to do? Collect his own pill from the ruck, take a couple of bounces, and bang through five straight?
I'm seriously astounded at the level of vitriol headed his way.
Far as I can recall there were only two entries of anything resembling markability. He caught one and dropped another. Big whoop.
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He did pretty well last year - have a look at his stats and honestly tell me he was useless. I think the worst thing that ever happened to Kosi was Sheedy talking him up, now everyone seems to think he needs to kick 5 goals each week to warrant selection.RodKeoghsLoveChild wrote:The guy has been given way to many oppurtunities and seems to get a game based on potential rather than form. Pitty he has never actually played one solid year in his last 9!