How does BJ go in the brownlow?

Solar · Post: # 909321Post **Solar** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 7:35pm

Was curious if anyone knows how well BJ has done in the past with the brownlow? does his angst at the umpires mean he gets less votes? Otherwise he must be a good bet with roo out for awhile

SainterK · Post: # 909323Post **SainterK** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 7:39pm

He would be a smoky for the coleman if he spends a bit of time up there, I think he still is too much of an angry pants to win the brownlow

Milan Faletic · Mon 19 Apr 2010 7:41pm

Look out for Dal IMHO. He has had a blinder of a start and does get votes.

Thinline · Post: # 909334Post **Thinline** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 7:59pm

Milan Faletic wrote:Look out for Dal IMHO. He has had a blinder of a start and does get votes.

I reckon he'd have six or seven votes already.

Armoooo · Post: # 909336Post **Armoooo** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 8:03pm

BJ doesn't poll too great, due to having other players play well and the umps not liking him.

Remember the game where he kicked 5 goals in the first quarter and then went back to defence and racked up 30 odd touches against West Coast last year? 0 votes!!

He did manage to come to 10 last year I believe but IMO he should have done better than Lenny.

I'm still spewing as I had $10 each way on BJ at the start of last year... would have come away with about 6 grand if he won it...

The Peanut · Post: # 909356Post **The Peanut** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 8:45pm

BJ 2009 14 votes
R1 - 3, R6 - 3, R13 - 3, R16 - 1, R17 - 1, R18 - 3
2008 6
2007 ?
2006 6

plugger66 · Post: # 909381Post **plugger66** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 9:14pm

Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.

Spinner · Post: # 909394Post **Spinner** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 9:27pm

plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.

Buckley.

Time to get on Goddard! I can see him winning it!

Bernard Shakey · Mon 19 Apr 2010 10:41pm

plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.

Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.

Milan Faletic · Mon 19 Apr 2010 10:49pm

Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.

Was thinking that too Bernard. He may win the AFLPA award if he continues his form.

mick13 · Post: # 909463Post **mick13** » Mon 19 Apr 2010 11:09pm

Armoooo wrote:BJ doesn't poll too great, due to having other players play well and the umps not liking him.

Remember the game where he kicked 5 goals in the first quarter and then went back to defence and racked up 30 odd touches against West Coast last year? 0 votes!!

He did manage to come to 10 last year I believe but IMO he should have done better than Lenny.

I'm still spewing as I had $10 each way on BJ at the start of last year... would have come away with about 6 grand if he won it...

haha yeah, I chucked a 5a on him. First round 'St Kilda - B. Goddard 3 votes' was like...boys if he wins this, beers on me for the next decade'

Alas.

Solar · Post: # 909492Post **Solar** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 12:15am

Milan Faletic wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.
Was thinking that too Bernard. He may win the AFLPA award if he continues his form.

with no roo and in among the goals now just thought he might push for the medal. Might get a little on he and dal

Sainternist · Tue 20 Apr 2010 2:44am

don't worry, the way he's playing, he will win it.

plugger66 · Post: # 909521Post **plugger66** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 7:58am

Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.

Does that cancel out the others or does it just prove that under the 3,2,1 system the best player for the season usually wins it.

gringo · Post: # 909580Post **gringo** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 11:56am

I think his mouthing off every time any decision goes against him ruins his chances not his attack on other players. Dal santo does the smooth moves and will probably take the votes away, but without Riewoldt he has his best chance this season. Nick Riewoldt going down probably give one of our mids a real chance though. Lenny started slow but as he winds up he could give it a shake as well.

bendigo bob · Tue 20 Apr 2010 12:11pm

Think you will find that it takes several good seasons from a player before they come under the umps notice. His vote trend is improving and I reckon that in the next couple of years he is a good thing to win one provided no further injuries. The media will also be on his band wagon pretty soon. Maybe a quinella this year with dal and BJ?????

Armoooo · Post: # 909605Post **Armoooo** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 1:29pm

plugger66 wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.
Does that cancel out the others or does it just prove that under the 3,2,1 system the best player for the season usually wins it.

The best player usually wins it?!!?!?!?

No chance....

bergholt · Post: # 909615Post **bergholt** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 2:20pm

Solar wrote:Was curious if anyone knows how well BJ has done in the past with the brownlow?

not great. past performance may not be a guarantee of future returns but it doesn't look great - he's apparently never played a two-vote game!

2009: 14 (4/0/2)
2008: 6 (2/0/0)
2007: 0
2006: 6 (2/0/0)
2005: 0
2004: 3 (1/0/0)
2003: 0

interesting that lenny never used to get good votes but in the last couple of years has gone gangbusters:

2009: 20 (6/0/2)
2008: 15 (3/2/2)
2007: 8 (1/2/1)
2006: 8 (2/1/0)
2005: 9 (0/4/1)
2004: 10 (2/2/0)
2003: 8 (2/0/2)
2002: 4 (1/0/1)
2001: 2 (0/1/0)
2000: 0
1999: 0

but last time i bet on any saint for the brownlow was lenny in 2006. played nine games for eight votes and then did his knee. never doing that again.

and then nicky dal santo always gets good votes:

2009: 17 (4/2/1)
2008: 3 (0/1/1)
2007: 16 (5/0/1)
2006: 10 (1/3/2)
2005: 18 (4/2/2)
2004: 12 (2/2/2)
2003: 5 (1/1/0)
2002: 0

iwantmeseats · Tue 20 Apr 2010 2:34pm

Just as well I couldnt give a fat rats clakka if any of our players got anywhere near the brownlow!! There is only one thing that matters this year, or any year for that matter.

plugger66 · Post: # 909663Post **plugger66** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 4:03pm

Armoooo wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.
Does that cancel out the others or does it just prove that under the 3,2,1 system the best player for the season usually wins it.
The best player usually wins it?!!?!?!?

No chance....

How many players have won it lately that dont deserve it under the 3,2,1 system?

3:16 · Post: # 909676Post **3:16** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 4:10pm

That's why we've always called Dal- "Brownlow" from day 1, cause he has always been a "sure-thing" to win one!!!!!

Bernard Shakey · Tue 20 Apr 2010 9:12pm

plugger66 wrote:
Armoooo wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.
Does that cancel out the others or does it just prove that under the 3,2,1 system the best player for the season usually wins it.
The best player usually wins it?!!?!?!?

No chance....
How many players have won it lately that dont deserve it under the 3,2,1 system?

Depends what you call "lately", but if we take the last 10 years,
Woewoden, Aker and a couple to Goodes stand out to me.

Thinline · Post: # 909811Post **Thinline** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 9:20pm

plugger66 wrote:
Armoooo wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.
Does that cancel out the others or does it just prove that under the 3,2,1 system the best player for the season usually wins it.
The best player usually wins it?!!?!?!?

No chance....
How many players have won it lately that dont deserve it under the 3,2,1 system?

IMO Cooney year before last when Ablett was BY FAR the superior player for the year. I also query whether Ricciuto was truly 'the best' (ie on par with Buckley and Goodes) in that tied result a few years back. Same for Goodes. He was good, but Buckley was awesome then. Woewodin's win has a cloud hanging over it. Not so sure either Crawford was necessarily the best in '99. All IMO of course. But there's a few that I find a bit odd.

rexy · Post: # 909833Post **rexy** » Tue 20 Apr 2010 10:48pm

Disagree on Woewodin Crawford and Riccuitio, thought they were all deserving, Woewodin could just never live up to the expectation Charlie bought with it, Riccuito and Crawford both very god in their respective years. Thought Cooney had a very good year and think GAJ was a victim of playing in a side where there are lots of people to take votes off you, still think he was better than Cooney though. Goodes is a very good player but not a dual brownlow medalist IMO, gets noticed for the flashy things but doesnt have the overall contribution or the amazing work ethic of the Harveys Crawfords and Abletts.

Goddard to lippy IMO, will never poll unless he is BOG by a long stretch, thats why he doesnt get many 2 votes I think.

plugger66 · Post: # 909897Post **plugger66** » Wed 21 Apr 2010 7:41am

Thinline wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Armoooo wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Overated that umpires dont vote for players who mouth off or are a bit violent. Dipper, Plugger, Williams twice and I am sure many others.
Barassi, Whitten, Carey and I'm sure many others.
Does that cancel out the others or does it just prove that under the 3,2,1 system the best player for the season usually wins it.
The best player usually wins it?!!?!?!?

No chance....
How many players have won it lately that dont deserve it under the 3,2,1 system?
IMO Cooney year before last when Ablett was BY FAR the superior player for the year. I also query whether Ricciuto was truly 'the best' (ie on par with Buckley and Goodes) in that tied result a few years back. Same for Goodes. He was good, but Buckley was awesome then. Woewodin's win has a cloud hanging over it. Not so sure either Crawford was necessarily the best in '99. All IMO of course. But there's a few that I find a bit odd.

And did the same player win every other award those years. I doubt it very much. By the way i think Crawford was the shortest priced winner by brownlow night in the last 20 years.

How does BJ go in the brownlow?

How does BJ go in the brownlow?

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