2010 Sandringham Wrap
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2010 Sandringham Wrap
Last year I did an ongoing thread about what was happening at Sandy, from the point-of-view of freely available stats. (http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... p?p=742133)
Most of us don't get down to games so I reckon it's pretty useful to be able to see at a glance who's been playing in the ressies and who's been named best. Yes, I agree that the listed best are not always completely reliable, but overall it's still an OK guide, and it's the best I have without going down there every weekend!
(Also copying across saintbrat's Leader Newspapers votes.)
Current Leaderboard (after VFL Round 18, AFL Round 21)
(6 votes for named best down to 1 vote for sixth named best each week.)
Votes at Sandringham
33: Tregear
27: Gallagher
26: Gaertner (r)
25: Simpkin (r)
24: Lynch, Walsh (r)
23: Pattison
20: Irving
19: A Smith
18: Magner
15: Eddy, Steven
14: Stanley
13: Armitage
12: Miles
9: Howard, McEvoy
8: Ferraro
6: Sautner
5: J Geary, King
4: Clarke, L Fisher (r), Hardiman, Johnson
3: Lyons
2: Archer (r), Dempster, Gallagher
1: Cahill, Howard, Lourey
Votes at Sandringham reserves
38: Andrews
31: K Geary
30: Gower
24: Allan
21: D Jones
16: T Johnston
14: Boland, Waller
13: Fleming, Paterakis, Smith-Cameron
12: Hardiman
11: Hunter
10: Stapleton
9: Miles
8: De Blecourt, Ferraro, McConnell
7: Barnes, Cathcart
6: Hallahan, C Johnston, McBain
5: Cleeve, Gaertner (r), Lourey, Nash, Sands, Winmar
4: L Fisher (r), Hutchings (r), McMahon
3: Ambrose, O'Sullivan, Shakallis
2: Archer (r)
Leaders Newspapers votes for Sandringham
(3-2-1 votes)
12: Gallagher
10: Irving, Tregear
9: Magner, Simpkin (r)
7: Lynch
6: Armitage, Steven
5: McEvoy
4: Pattison, A Smith
3: Clarke, Ferraro, Howard, Miles, Stanley
2: Sautner
1: Cahill, Gaertner (r), Johnson, Walsh (r)
Leader Newspapers votes for Sandringham Reserves:
13: Hardiman
11: Andrews, Gower
9: Paterakis
7: K Geary
6: Waller
5: Ferraro
4: Allan, T Johnston
3: Gaertner, C Johnston, McBain, McConnell, Miles, Stapleton
2: Boland, De Blecourt, D Jones, Smith-Cameron
1: Ambrose, Fleming, McConnell, McGrath (r), Sands, Simpkin (r)
Saints games for Sandringham
18: Johnson, Walsh (r)
17: A Smith
16: Gaertner (r)
14: Cahill
13: Heyne
12: Hutchings (r), Lynch
11: Pattison, Simpkin (r), Stanley
9: Archer (r)
8: Steven
7: Eddy
6: Armitage, King, McEvoy, Miles
5: L Fisher (r)
4: J Smith
3: Dempster, Peake
2: Winmar
1: Clarke, Dawson, J Geary, McQualter
Saints games for Sandringham reserves
7: Archer (r), McGrath (r)
5: L Fisher (r)
4: Simpkin (r)
3: Cahill, Miles, Winmar
2: Hutchings (r)
1: Dempster, Gaertner (r), Lynch
Games missed through injury
(italics means currently injured)
17: Winmar
16: J Smith
13: McGrath (r)
11: Riewoldt
10: Miles
9: Clarke, Dempster
8: L Fisher (r), King
7: Gram
6: Hutchings (r), Lynch
5: Armitage, Dawson, Eddy, Simpkin (r)
2: S Fisher, Gardiner, C Jones, Koschitzke, Steven
1: Archer (r), Cahill, Dal Santo, Gaertner (r), Goddard, Hayes, Pattison, Ray
Games missed through suspension
(italics means currently suspended)
8: Baker
3: Koschitzke
1: Pattison
Most of us don't get down to games so I reckon it's pretty useful to be able to see at a glance who's been playing in the ressies and who's been named best. Yes, I agree that the listed best are not always completely reliable, but overall it's still an OK guide, and it's the best I have without going down there every weekend!
(Also copying across saintbrat's Leader Newspapers votes.)
Current Leaderboard (after VFL Round 18, AFL Round 21)
(6 votes for named best down to 1 vote for sixth named best each week.)
Votes at Sandringham
33: Tregear
27: Gallagher
26: Gaertner (r)
25: Simpkin (r)
24: Lynch, Walsh (r)
23: Pattison
20: Irving
19: A Smith
18: Magner
15: Eddy, Steven
14: Stanley
13: Armitage
12: Miles
9: Howard, McEvoy
8: Ferraro
6: Sautner
5: J Geary, King
4: Clarke, L Fisher (r), Hardiman, Johnson
3: Lyons
2: Archer (r), Dempster, Gallagher
1: Cahill, Howard, Lourey
Votes at Sandringham reserves
38: Andrews
31: K Geary
30: Gower
24: Allan
21: D Jones
16: T Johnston
14: Boland, Waller
13: Fleming, Paterakis, Smith-Cameron
12: Hardiman
11: Hunter
10: Stapleton
9: Miles
8: De Blecourt, Ferraro, McConnell
7: Barnes, Cathcart
6: Hallahan, C Johnston, McBain
5: Cleeve, Gaertner (r), Lourey, Nash, Sands, Winmar
4: L Fisher (r), Hutchings (r), McMahon
3: Ambrose, O'Sullivan, Shakallis
2: Archer (r)
Leaders Newspapers votes for Sandringham
(3-2-1 votes)
12: Gallagher
10: Irving, Tregear
9: Magner, Simpkin (r)
7: Lynch
6: Armitage, Steven
5: McEvoy
4: Pattison, A Smith
3: Clarke, Ferraro, Howard, Miles, Stanley
2: Sautner
1: Cahill, Gaertner (r), Johnson, Walsh (r)
Leader Newspapers votes for Sandringham Reserves:
13: Hardiman
11: Andrews, Gower
9: Paterakis
7: K Geary
6: Waller
5: Ferraro
4: Allan, T Johnston
3: Gaertner, C Johnston, McBain, McConnell, Miles, Stapleton
2: Boland, De Blecourt, D Jones, Smith-Cameron
1: Ambrose, Fleming, McConnell, McGrath (r), Sands, Simpkin (r)
Saints games for Sandringham
18: Johnson, Walsh (r)
17: A Smith
16: Gaertner (r)
14: Cahill
13: Heyne
12: Hutchings (r), Lynch
11: Pattison, Simpkin (r), Stanley
9: Archer (r)
8: Steven
7: Eddy
6: Armitage, King, McEvoy, Miles
5: L Fisher (r)
4: J Smith
3: Dempster, Peake
2: Winmar
1: Clarke, Dawson, J Geary, McQualter
Saints games for Sandringham reserves
7: Archer (r), McGrath (r)
5: L Fisher (r)
4: Simpkin (r)
3: Cahill, Miles, Winmar
2: Hutchings (r)
1: Dempster, Gaertner (r), Lynch
Games missed through injury
(italics means currently injured)
17: Winmar
16: J Smith
13: McGrath (r)
11: Riewoldt
10: Miles
9: Clarke, Dempster
8: L Fisher (r), King
7: Gram
6: Hutchings (r), Lynch
5: Armitage, Dawson, Eddy, Simpkin (r)
2: S Fisher, Gardiner, C Jones, Koschitzke, Steven
1: Archer (r), Cahill, Dal Santo, Gaertner (r), Goddard, Hayes, Pattison, Ray
Games missed through suspension
(italics means currently suspended)
8: Baker
3: Koschitzke
1: Pattison
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VFL Round 1
Sandy 15.12-102 def Frankston 7.11-53 (away)
Goals: Cahill 3, Eddy 2, Lourey 2, Sautner 2, Steven 2, Bruno, Clarke, McEvoy, Stanley
Best: Steven, Stanley, Clarke, Eddy, Gaertner, Magner
Leader Votes: Clarke, Steven, Stanley
Others: Heyne, W Johnson, Pattison, A Smith, Walsh
VFL Reserves Round 1
Sandy 18.12-120 def Frankston 5.6-36 (away)
Goals: Barnes 3, Worner 3, Archer 2, Boland 2, Ferraro 2, Andrews, L Fisher, Hardiman, C Johnston, D Jones, Shakallis
Best: C Johnston, Andrews, Hutchings, Gower, D Jones, Ferraro
Leader Votes: C Johnston, Andrews, Hardiman
Others: none
Sandy 15.12-102 def Frankston 7.11-53 (away)
Goals: Cahill 3, Eddy 2, Lourey 2, Sautner 2, Steven 2, Bruno, Clarke, McEvoy, Stanley
Best: Steven, Stanley, Clarke, Eddy, Gaertner, Magner
Leader Votes: Clarke, Steven, Stanley
Others: Heyne, W Johnson, Pattison, A Smith, Walsh
VFL Reserves Round 1
Sandy 18.12-120 def Frankston 5.6-36 (away)
Goals: Barnes 3, Worner 3, Archer 2, Boland 2, Ferraro 2, Andrews, L Fisher, Hardiman, C Johnston, D Jones, Shakallis
Best: C Johnston, Andrews, Hutchings, Gower, D Jones, Ferraro
Leader Votes: C Johnston, Andrews, Hardiman
Others: none
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VFL Round 2
Sandy 19.19-133 def Werribee 13.9-87
Goals: Howard 3, Lourey 3, McEvoy 3, Cahill 2, Sautner 2, Geary, Heyne, Hutchings, Irving, Steven, Tregear
Best: McEvoy, Magner, Eddy, Steven, Johnson, Lourey
Leader Votes: McEvoy, Magner, Steven
Others: L Fisher, Gaertner, Pattison, Smith, Walsh
VFL Reserves Round 2
Sandy 10.9-69 lost to Werribee 11.17-83
Goals: Boland 3, Archer 2, Hardiman 2, Barnes, McConnell, T Johnston
Best: Andrews, Fleming, Gower, Hardiman, Barnes, McConnell
Leader Votes: Hardiman, Andrews, Gower
Others: none
Sandy 19.19-133 def Werribee 13.9-87
Goals: Howard 3, Lourey 3, McEvoy 3, Cahill 2, Sautner 2, Geary, Heyne, Hutchings, Irving, Steven, Tregear
Best: McEvoy, Magner, Eddy, Steven, Johnson, Lourey
Leader Votes: McEvoy, Magner, Steven
Others: L Fisher, Gaertner, Pattison, Smith, Walsh
VFL Reserves Round 2
Sandy 10.9-69 lost to Werribee 11.17-83
Goals: Boland 3, Archer 2, Hardiman 2, Barnes, McConnell, T Johnston
Best: Andrews, Fleming, Gower, Hardiman, Barnes, McConnell
Leader Votes: Hardiman, Andrews, Gower
Others: none
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Will Johnson is a genuine pressure on Zac Attack; and
Jack Steven is a genuine pressure on Andrew Mcqualter.
I said at the start of the year that Sandy would be a serious top 4 contender this year and most people told me I was dreaming. Even those who know more about Sandy and watch them more than me. But my argument was - injuries aside - we have a few slightly mature guys who would almost certainly be playing senior footy at other clubs playing for Sandy this year. I'm referring to Eddy, Mac, Stanley, Heyne, A smith, Steven, Will Johson, Simpkin, Lynch etc. A bit of talent down there. And all around the 20 year old bracket. So not babies.
Jack Steven is a genuine pressure on Andrew Mcqualter.
I said at the start of the year that Sandy would be a serious top 4 contender this year and most people told me I was dreaming. Even those who know more about Sandy and watch them more than me. But my argument was - injuries aside - we have a few slightly mature guys who would almost certainly be playing senior footy at other clubs playing for Sandy this year. I'm referring to Eddy, Mac, Stanley, Heyne, A smith, Steven, Will Johson, Simpkin, Lynch etc. A bit of talent down there. And all around the 20 year old bracket. So not babies.
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Great thread, hope it keeps going...
Can't wait to see Steven in the side, I expect he will be there within three weeks.
Can anybody tell me a bit about Magner?
Age/ Position etc.
This year more than ever it's important to keep an eye out for the 20-21 year olds that have been overlooked in the past.
Can't wait to see Steven in the side, I expect he will be there within three weeks.
Can anybody tell me a bit about Magner?
Age/ Position etc.
This year more than ever it's important to keep an eye out for the 20-21 year olds that have been overlooked in the past.
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yeah, agreed.Armoooo wrote:Can anybody tell me a bit about Magner?
Age/ Position etc.
This year more than ever it's important to keep an eye out for the 20-21 year olds that have been overlooked in the past.
there's an article on magner here:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 5849579795
doesn't give exact stats but it says he's a tough in-and-under midfielder, and a big possession winner. pure speculation says he's probably about 183cm/89kg? but could obviously be a touch taller or lighter.
vfl players to watch, from the sandy match report:
michael lourey
jonno nash
kallen geary
james magner
chris irving
and also important to notice that the howard who kicked three goals is brad howard who used to be on our list... must be almost fifty vfl games for him, good to see him staying down here, seeing as he was a queenslander originally.
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Why would anyone want to return to Queensland when they can be close to St Kilda.bergholt wrote: and also important to notice that the howard who kicked three goals is brad howard who used to be on our list... must be almost fifty vfl games for him, good to see him staying down here, seeing as he was a queenslander originally.
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VFL Round 3
Williamstown 9.9-63 beaten by Sandringham 9.10-64 (away)
Goals: Irving 4, Tregear 3, Archer, Hutchings
Best: Irving, Pattison, Tregear, McEvoy, Walsh, Howard
Leader Votes: Irving, McEvoy, Pattison
Others: L Fisher, Gaertner, Heyne, Johnson, A Smith, Stanley
VFL Reserves Round 3
Williamstown 14.5-89 def Sandringham 7.11-53 (away)
Goals: Boland 2, Allan, Andrews, Cahill, Simpkin, Warner
Best: Gower, Stapleton, Smith-Cameron, Andrews, T Johnston, Paterakis
Leader Votes: Gower, Stapleton, Allan
Others: none
Williamstown 9.9-63 beaten by Sandringham 9.10-64 (away)
Goals: Irving 4, Tregear 3, Archer, Hutchings
Best: Irving, Pattison, Tregear, McEvoy, Walsh, Howard
Leader Votes: Irving, McEvoy, Pattison
Others: L Fisher, Gaertner, Heyne, Johnson, A Smith, Stanley
VFL Reserves Round 3
Williamstown 14.5-89 def Sandringham 7.11-53 (away)
Goals: Boland 2, Allan, Andrews, Cahill, Simpkin, Warner
Best: Gower, Stapleton, Smith-Cameron, Andrews, T Johnston, Paterakis
Leader Votes: Gower, Stapleton, Allan
Others: none
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VFL Round 4
Sandy 10.18-78 beat Coburg 10.10-70
Goals: Sautner 4, Pattison 2, Archer, Bruno, Magner, Stanley
Best: Tregear, Eddy, Walsh, Gaertner, Sautner, Magner
Leader Votes: Tregear, Magner, Howard
Others: L Fisher, Heyne, Hutchings, Johnson, Lynch, McEvoy, Peake, Smith
VFL Reserves Round 4
Sandy 19.13-127 beat Coburg 7.2-44
Goals: Barnes 4, Ferraro 4, Lourey 4, Geary 3, Hardiman 2, C Johnston, O'Sullivan
Best: Geary, Jones, Nash, T Johnston, Smith-Cameron, Boland
Leader Votes: Geary, Paterakis, McConnell
Others: Cahill, Simpkin
Sandy 10.18-78 beat Coburg 10.10-70
Goals: Sautner 4, Pattison 2, Archer, Bruno, Magner, Stanley
Best: Tregear, Eddy, Walsh, Gaertner, Sautner, Magner
Leader Votes: Tregear, Magner, Howard
Others: L Fisher, Heyne, Hutchings, Johnson, Lynch, McEvoy, Peake, Smith
VFL Reserves Round 4
Sandy 19.13-127 beat Coburg 7.2-44
Goals: Barnes 4, Ferraro 4, Lourey 4, Geary 3, Hardiman 2, C Johnston, O'Sullivan
Best: Geary, Jones, Nash, T Johnston, Smith-Cameron, Boland
Leader Votes: Geary, Paterakis, McConnell
Others: Cahill, Simpkin
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he was up and about today--plenty of ball in a scrappy game-zebraman wrote:Keep an eye on Chris Irving re being rookied...so far...so good
you could have sworn there was a howing gale------ barely a zephyr,
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the BIG tasmanian was evident when onnthe ground- I didn't realise he was so solid but maybe he has grown over the last 6 mths,Great thread, living in Tassie it's hard to keep up to date with the guys down at Sandy.
Will be keeping an eye on this for sure. Cheers to bergholt for the OP!
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things that might go against him is his disposal and speed. But works hard, reads the play well and was a shinning light in a slow midfield today for the zebs. Beware of best players lists because they don't always rng true when you actually watch the gamesaintbrat wrote:he was up and about today--plenty of ball in a scrappy game-zebraman wrote:Keep an eye on Chris Irving re being rookied...so far...so good
you could have sworn there was a howing gale------ barely a zephyr,
AccidentallyTimthe BIG tasmanian was evident when onnthe ground- I didn't realise he was so solid but maybe he has grown over the last 6 mths,Great thread, living in Tassie it's hard to keep up to date with the guys down at Sandy.
Will be keeping an eye on this for sure. Cheers to bergholt for the OP!
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things that might go against him is his disposal and speed. But works hard, reads the play well and was a shinning light in a slow midfield today for the zebs. Beware of best players lists because they don't always rng true when you actually watch the game[/quote]Solar wrote:[,
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VFL Round 5
Sandy 10.10-70 lost to Port Melbourne 25.12-162
Goals: Magner 2, Peake 2, Cahill, Heyne, McEvoy, Sautner, J Smith, Stanley
Best: Gallagher, Walsh, Gaertner, Magner, Tregear, Irving
Leader Votes: Gallagher, Magner, Gaertner
Others: Eddy, Johnson, Pattison, A Smith
VFL Reserves Round 5
Sandy 17.7-109 lost to Port Melbourne 16.15-111
Goals: Archer 3, Boland 3, L Fisher 3, Allan, Barnes, Ferraro, Fleming, C Johnston, McConnell, Paterakis, Simpkin
Best: McConnell, Andrews, L Fisher, Boland, Ferraro, Gower
Leader Votes: McConnell, Smith-Cameron, Simpkin
Others: Hutchings
Sandy 10.10-70 lost to Port Melbourne 25.12-162
Goals: Magner 2, Peake 2, Cahill, Heyne, McEvoy, Sautner, J Smith, Stanley
Best: Gallagher, Walsh, Gaertner, Magner, Tregear, Irving
Leader Votes: Gallagher, Magner, Gaertner
Others: Eddy, Johnson, Pattison, A Smith
VFL Reserves Round 5
Sandy 17.7-109 lost to Port Melbourne 16.15-111
Goals: Archer 3, Boland 3, L Fisher 3, Allan, Barnes, Ferraro, Fleming, C Johnston, McConnell, Paterakis, Simpkin
Best: McConnell, Andrews, L Fisher, Boland, Ferraro, Gower
Leader Votes: McConnell, Smith-Cameron, Simpkin
Others: Hutchings
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Thanks bergholt, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.
Really keen to follow the progress of messrs. Smith and Walsh.
Really keen to follow the progress of messrs. Smith and Walsh.
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j smith is jesse smith. first game since the two vfl reserves games he played in the middle of last year. from all reports he wasn't bad, though i've read that he only played 10-15 minutes a quarter. if he pulled up well then it's a great sign for the saints...sainta wrote:If J Smith is Jesse Smith how did he go in his first game for however long it has been?