Why cant it be seen as a simple statement of fact, rather than having a swipe at someone, or passing the buck?
Any excuse to have a crack at our current coach is a good one I guess....
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They weren't having a crack at Lyon from what I saw.markp wrote:Wasn't it a "fractured player"?... doesn't sound as emotive or damning as "broken" though, does it?
Why cant it be seen as a simple statement of fact, rather than having a swipe at someone, or passing the buck?
Any excuse to have a crack at our current coach is a good one I guess....![]()
Lame, tired, boring... sad.
Thanks for psychological analysis of my sanity, and the cheap shot...mmm what rhymes with plugger??? Never thought of that but maybe I will start a thread about GT every week. Could be fun. I guess a thread with 30 posts is probably worth doing because there are people interested in it.plugger66 wrote:Are you going to start a GT thread after every show? Last week you started one and got the words wrong to suit your agenda. Give it a miss for your own sanity. Busted Milan Pathetic.Milan Faletic wrote:Ross Lyon said via MMM that he inherited a "fractured" player. The implication was that not only was Kosi physically injured but also lacking in trust of the St Kilda footy club.
GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.
Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.
Busted, GT.
Explains nothing!meher baba wrote: I think that helps to explain why he struggled so much while Butterss and Fraser were at war and why he has done so much better under Westaway's quiet but strong leadership.
Hold on so it was the medico's fault Kosi played that game down in Geelong years back???? You know the one that after that kept him out of the game for a bit cos if i remember correctly his back was stuffed? It was at this time that GT copped flack for putting him back on?rodgerfox wrote:They weren't having a crack at Lyon from what I saw.markp wrote:Wasn't it a "fractured player"?... doesn't sound as emotive or damning as "broken" though, does it?
Why cant it be seen as a simple statement of fact, rather than having a swipe at someone, or passing the buck?
Any excuse to have a crack at our current coach is a good one I guess....![]()
Lame, tired, boring... sad.
They were having a crack at GT, and strongly suggesting that Lyon was having a direct dig at GT.
He also did state that Kosi had been mismanaged. He was pretty strong in his words really.
However as GT said, he had nothing to do with the medical side of things and never had input into players' availability.
Then Wilson suggested that the 'fractured' comment from Lyon was more about his mental state than his physical state, and that in that sense it was a dig at GT.
That was the way I saw it too, Rodger.rodgerfox wrote:They weren't having a crack at Lyon from what I saw.markp wrote:Wasn't it a "fractured player"?... doesn't sound as emotive or damning as "broken" though, does it?
Why cant it be seen as a simple statement of fact, rather than having a swipe at someone, or passing the buck?
Any excuse to have a crack at our current coach is a good one I guess....![]()
Lame, tired, boring... sad.
They were having a crack at GT, and strongly suggesting that Lyon was having a direct dig at GT.
He also did state that Kosi had been mismanaged. He was pretty strong in his words really.
However as GT said, he had nothing to do with the medical side of things and never had input into players' availability.
Then Wilson suggested that the 'fractured' comment from Lyon was more about his mental state than his physical state, and that in that sense it was a dig at GT.
But its P66 he needs to reply to nearly every thread! He has nothing better to doMilan Faletic wrote:Thanks for psychological analysis of my sanity, and the cheap shot...mmm what rhymes with plugger??? Never thought of that but maybe I will start a thread about GT every week. Could be fun.plugger66 wrote:Are you going to start a GT thread after every show? Last week you started one and got the words wrong to suit your agenda. Give it a miss for your own sanity. Busted Milan Pathetic.Milan Faletic wrote:Ross Lyon said via MMM that he inherited a "fractured" player. The implication was that not only was Kosi physically injured but also lacking in trust of the St Kilda footy club.
GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.
Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.
Busted, GT.
Are you going to mention it every week? You are an adult so use that adult ability to not respond if you're not interested, and maybe stop taking things so seriously.
There's no agenda. Read all my posts, even on this thread, and you will read that I am a fan of GT and RL. Or do you read the quotes that suit your agenda?![]()
I was referring to subsequent comments in this thread... not Footy Classified.rodgerfox wrote:They weren't having a crack at Lyon from what I saw.markp wrote:Wasn't it a "fractured player"?... doesn't sound as emotive or damning as "broken" though, does it?
Why cant it be seen as a simple statement of fact, rather than having a swipe at someone, or passing the buck?
Any excuse to have a crack at our current coach is a good one I guess....![]()
Lame, tired, boring... sad.
They were having a crack at GT, and strongly suggesting that Lyon was having a direct dig at GT.
He also did state that Kosi had been mismanaged. He was pretty strong in his words really.
However as GT said, he had nothing to do with the medical side of things and never had input into players' availability.
Then Wilson suggested that the 'fractured' comment from Lyon was more about his mental state than his physical state, and that in that sense it was a dig at GT.
Buckets wrote:
Hold on so it was the medico's fault Kosi played that game down in Geelong years back???? You know the one that after that kept him out of the game for a bit cos if i remember correctly his back was stuffed? It was at this time that GT copped flack for putting him back on?
Although GT dismissed it, it may well be the case. Players losing confidence is not a new thing, or unique.Buckets wrote: On the same hand GT did admit that there was confidence issues with Kosi. So the mental side of things was a fair point.
No, it's how a forum gets ruined.markp wrote:It's how a forum works... people make comments, and others respond.rodgerfox wrote:Why?markp wrote:
I was referring to subsequent comments in this thread... not Footy Classified.
Why not keep on topic?
It's a fair discussion. If it bores you, ignore it.
I agree.SainterK wrote:As I said earlier, it was only Caro that filled the blanks and tried to make it so dramatic.
BAM might be onto something, when was the interview, before or after the game? They only played a small grab, so it could of been in context to an interview about Kosi and his form.
Was Kosi (physically) fractured when Ross came to the club, yes IMO.
Was Ross blaming GT for his horror run, well you'd have to pretend to know what he was thinking when he said it.
More for his form over the preseason comp IMO, but yes Ross was protecting him.rodgerfox wrote:I agree.SainterK wrote:As I said earlier, it was only Caro that filled the blanks and tried to make it so dramatic.
BAM might be onto something, when was the interview, before or after the game? They only played a small grab, so it could of been in context to an interview about Kosi and his form.
Was Kosi (physically) fractured when Ross came to the club, yes IMO.
Was Ross blaming GT for his horror run, well you'd have to pretend to know what he was thinking when he said it.
Lyon was clearly deflecting and making excuses for Kosi's ordinary output over the the past couple of years.
All coaches would do the same for a player.
Even GT was surprised that the comments were construed to be a dig at him even though it was an area he had nothing to do with.
How is it 'off topic' to comment on the interpretation of Lyon's comments as a swipe at GT?rodgerfox wrote:No, it's how a forum gets ruined.markp wrote:It's how a forum works... people make comments, and others respond.rodgerfox wrote:Why?markp wrote:
I was referring to subsequent comments in this thread... not Footy Classified.
Why not keep on topic?
It's a fair discussion. If it bores you, ignore it.
Is posters keep on topic, then it remains a place for healthy debate and discussion.
Why not start a new thread if you want to discuss something other than this topic?
You were attacking poster's freedom to express opinions on topic that the actual thread is dedicated to.markp wrote:How is it 'off topic' to comment on the interpretation of Lyon's comments as a swipe at GT?rodgerfox wrote:No, it's how a forum gets ruined.markp wrote:It's how a forum works... people make comments, and others respond.rodgerfox wrote:Why?markp wrote:
I was referring to subsequent comments in this thread... not Footy Classified.
Why not keep on topic?
It's a fair discussion. If it bores you, ignore it.
Is posters keep on topic, then it remains a place for healthy debate and discussion.
Why not start a new thread if you want to discuss something other than this topic?
Exactly.Banger724 wrote:is it possible we're all reading too much into this... kosi had had a lot of injuries prior to ross getting to the club, his statement may have simply related to that and was in no way intended as a swipe at previous regime?
Talk about people wheeling out agendas. Who says a "sizeable number of players at the club were mismanaged"? I have never even heard Butterss suggest that. The only people who keep dragging out this so-called FACT over and over again are you, B4E and a number of other agenda-driven posters on here.saintsRrising wrote:FACT is the previous player fitness and conditioning management was well below standard. Kosi was clearly one of a sizeable number of players at the club that were mismanaged. That is the reality of the situation. So why skirt around it?
Were you asleep for over three years?meher baba wrote:Talk about people wheeling out agendas. Who says a "sizeable number of players at the club were mismanaged"? .saintsRrising wrote:FACT is the previous player fitness and conditioning management was well below standard. Kosi was clearly one of a sizeable number of players at the club that were mismanaged. That is the reality of the situation. So why skirt around it?
rodgerfox wrote:You were attacking poster's freedom to express opinions on topic that the actual thread is dedicated to.markp wrote:How is it 'off topic' to comment on the interpretation of Lyon's comments as a swipe at GT?rodgerfox wrote:No, it's how a forum gets ruined.markp wrote:It's how a forum works... people make comments, and others respond.rodgerfox wrote:Why?markp wrote:
I was referring to subsequent comments in this thread... not Footy Classified.
Why not keep on topic?
It's a fair discussion. If it bores you, ignore it.
Is posters keep on topic, then it remains a place for healthy debate and discussion.
Why not start a new thread if you want to discuss something other than this topic?
That's off topic, and inflammatory.
As have your 3 subsequent posts. As per usual.
Remember Luke Penny and GT's crack at him for refusing to play on under GT despite a debilitating injury?meher baba wrote:
Unless and until I see evidence that GT ever forced a player to play against medical advice, or that he forced them into a training regime that damaged them, or something like this, .
http://www.chemotherapy.com.au/chemothe ... ured-knee/meher baba wrote:
Unless and until I see evidence that GT ever forced a player to play against medical advice, or that he forced them into a training regime that damaged them, or something like this,.