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GT busted on Footy Classified
Ross Lyon said via MMM that he inherited a "fractured" player. The implication was that not only was Kosi physically injured but also lacking in trust of the St Kilda footy club.
GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.
Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.
Busted, GT.
GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.
Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.
Busted, GT.
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Nothing unsual about this. Its common knowledge that during the GT era, our 'training services' was a disgrace. Our processes we extremely sloppy.
A number of players had issues with poor preparation, treatment & recovery with injuries.
That is why we consistently had the worst injury list BY FAR of any club during that period.
It is not luck that over the last two season most of our players have been fitter & healthier for longer.
I still hold hope that Kosi will bring us some great performances over his remaining career.
A number of players had issues with poor preparation, treatment & recovery with injuries.
That is why we consistently had the worst injury list BY FAR of any club during that period.
It is not luck that over the last two season most of our players have been fitter & healthier for longer.
I still hold hope that Kosi will bring us some great performances over his remaining career.
The implication of mental scars was from Caro, Ross said he inherited a fractured player....people will choose to fill the gaps how they like.
For mine it was only face value stuff, he was rushed back from injury etc.
He is happy to whack Ross when he feels it's justified, likewise Ross can whack Grant.
For mine it was only face value stuff, he was rushed back from injury etc.
He is happy to whack Ross when he feels it's justified, likewise Ross can whack Grant.
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I thought he was referring to that game against Geelong years ago when we had a head of injuries and could hardly field a team.
GT brought Kosi back after injury when rumour had it that he was far from being right.
Kosi's dad publicly criticised the club.
GT brought Kosi back after injury when rumour had it that he was far from being right.
Kosi's dad publicly criticised the club.
The rest of Australia can wander mask-free, socialise, eat out, no curfews, no zoning, no police rings of steel, no illogical inconsistent rules.
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
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I watched Footy Classified and the above quote captures GT's reaction...Quixote wrote:Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"
Busted, Milan....
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Enrico_Misso wrote:I thought he was referring to that game against Geelong years ago when we had a head of injuries and could hardly field a team.
GT brought Kosi back after injury when rumour had it that he was far from being right.
Kosi's dad publicly criticised the club.
back injury, I remember listening to Kosi's dad on the radio the day was also from memory the day Stewart Loewe anniunce he was going on for anther year (or retirement) after he was ruled out for 6 weeks or something very vague memory...
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Are you calling me a "busted"? hehebobmurray wrote:I watched Footy Classified and the above quote captures GT's reaction...Quixote wrote:Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"
Busted, Milan....
I am a fan of GT and RL so it's tough to criticise either. I reckon GT wants to coach Melbourne.
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GT didn't get the free agency question wrong...he just wasn't quick enough to formulate an answer to Hutchy's verbal diarrhoea. Part of the ethos of Aussie rules is loyalty to the club and that will change with F.A. Hutchy doesn't care about the clubs. he knows F.A. will make more stories for him to cover "exclusively".
In honour of those who went before, in the dark and desperate years.
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Poor form by Lyon to make such a comment, whatever he actually meant by it.
Right from his first days at the club - "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come" - through to his continuing refusal to fess up to he fact that he and Ball had a falling out because Lyon didnt rate Ball (although, to be fair to Lyon, he came close last night) - Lyon has shown a tendency to use weasel words to state, in effect, "if anything goes wrong don't blame me".
I really rate Lyon as a coach, but this tendency shows an intrinsic lack of self-confidence which he would do well to try to overcome. One does get the sense that Lyon likes to exercise a lot of control, but perhaps needs to be given it by others with authority rather than seize it himself.
I think that helps to explain why he struggled so much while Butterss and Fraser were at war and why he has done so much better under Westaway's quiet but strong leadership.
Right from his first days at the club - "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come" - through to his continuing refusal to fess up to he fact that he and Ball had a falling out because Lyon didnt rate Ball (although, to be fair to Lyon, he came close last night) - Lyon has shown a tendency to use weasel words to state, in effect, "if anything goes wrong don't blame me".
I really rate Lyon as a coach, but this tendency shows an intrinsic lack of self-confidence which he would do well to try to overcome. One does get the sense that Lyon likes to exercise a lot of control, but perhaps needs to be given it by others with authority rather than seize it himself.
I think that helps to explain why he struggled so much while Butterss and Fraser were at war and why he has done so much better under Westaway's quiet but strong leadership.
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They could do worse: although GT's career in football will go nowhere while Demetriou remains on the scene.Milan Faletic wrote:Are you calling me a "busted"? hehebobmurray wrote:I watched Footy Classified and the above quote captures GT's reaction...Quixote wrote:Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"
Busted, Milan....
I am a fan of GT and RL so it's tough to criticise either. I reckon GT wants to coach Melbourne.
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Re: GT busted on Footy Classified
Are you going to start a GT thread after every show? Last week you started one and got the words wrong to suit your agenda. Give it a miss for your own sanity. Busted Milan Pathetic.Milan Faletic wrote:Ross Lyon said via MMM that he inherited a "fractured" player. The implication was that not only was Kosi physically injured but also lacking in trust of the St Kilda footy club.
GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.
Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.
Busted, GT.
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Had a conversation with player at a new club and mentioned how I followed the Saints. He mentioned how his agent (I think he said) had arranged a meeting with Kosi so said player could get his head around the rigours and requirements of professional AFL. When they got talking skinfolds and beep tests and the like, said player mentioned how he'd come back from off season pretty fat and slow. Kosi apparently said words to the effect 'there was a time when I woulda got away with that. Not now though. Now if we're a point over, we just run until we're back where we have to be and don't join in properly until we're right. You just won;t play unless you're numbers are spot on.' They then talked about sacrifices and diet and no boozing the usual gamut of athlete stuff.
Now I know it's only a little innocuous snippet, and I'll prob get howled for not mentioning names - which I won't - but I don't think it's much of a stretch to establish that Kosi's 'now' and 'back then' references were clearly relating to Lyon era and GT era.
For mine, Lyon has a clue about what is needed.
GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.
The former will last. The other, clearly, cannot.
The former is in player's interests. The latter, for all it's fire and brimstone and comraderie, is untenable long term. And so it proved.
Now I know it's only a little innocuous snippet, and I'll prob get howled for not mentioning names - which I won't - but I don't think it's much of a stretch to establish that Kosi's 'now' and 'back then' references were clearly relating to Lyon era and GT era.
For mine, Lyon has a clue about what is needed.
GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.
The former will last. The other, clearly, cannot.
The former is in player's interests. The latter, for all it's fire and brimstone and comraderie, is untenable long term. And so it proved.
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
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Ludicrous twistage.Right from his first days at the club - "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come" - through to his continuing refusal to fess up to he fact that he and Ball had a falling out because Lyon didnt rate Ball (although, to be fair to Lyon, he came close last night) - Lyon has shown a tendency to use weasel words to state, in effect, "if anything goes wrong don't blame me".
Lyon, for all his media vanilla-ism, was quite clear about Ball. 'No guarantees, son'. Completely valid stance when the player concerned had some proving to do. As for the 'don't blame me stance', with ref to the GF, he mentioned there was things he could have/should have tried. What more do you want?
And while I'm at it: Which coaches, out of interest, do you think are MORE frank?
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
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Although I agree to a point, to be fair GT was in the box at North Melbourne, played at the highest level, and was a selector at an ALF club.Thinline wrote:
GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.
There was more to his footy background than just being a super country/VAFA coach.
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a) not as a senior coach b) was well known as a party player and c) what do you select at an ALF club - which members have the best video collection of a really ordinary 80's sitcom ? Presume you meant AFL. One thing identifying which players can play, another ensuring how best to manage their ongoing development IMO...rodgerfox wrote:Although I agree to a point, to be fair GT was in the box at North Melbourne, played at the highest level, and was a selector at an ALF club.Thinline wrote:
GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.
There was more to his footy background than just being a super country/VAFA coach.
Yes. It's not black and white. But the grey is skewed toward necessary modern professionalism with Lyon and towards old school 'steak night before the game' and a good old fashioned beer fuelled bonding with Thomas.
Anyway, it's a hoary old chestnut. I don't wish to go into any further.
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
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Yeah, as I said I do agree to a point.Thinline wrote:a) not as a senior coach b) was well known as a party player and c) what do you select at an ALF club - which members have the best video collection of a really ordinary 80's sitcom ? Presume you meant AFL. One thing identifying which players can play, another ensuring how best to manage their ongoing development IMO...rodgerfox wrote:Although I agree to a point, to be fair GT was in the box at North Melbourne, played at the highest level, and was a selector at an ALF club.Thinline wrote:
GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.
There was more to his footy background than just being a super country/VAFA coach.
Yes. It's not black and white. But the grey is skewed toward necessary modern professionalism with Lyon and towards old school 'steak night before the game' and a good old fashioned beer fuelled bonding with Thomas.
Anyway, it's a hoary old chestnut. I don't wish to go into any further.
Just was pointing out that his footy background is quite deep and varied at the highest level.
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Yes, that's a reasonable point: all of them suffer from Lyon's disease to some extent. Presumably, they are all coached by public affairs "experts" to talk in this sort of a way.Thinline wrote:And while I'm at it: Which coaches, out of interest, do you think are MORE frank?
All I'm saying is that it's time for Lyon to stop trying to blame any of his current problems (which don't seem to be all that substantial anyway) on things that happened before he got to the club.
Talking now about "inheriting" a "broken player" is not an example of him heading in the right direction IMO.
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