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Aaaaah you've been on this board for too long Bratty when you can confidently predict posts into the future............ i'm sure you are spot on thoughsaintbrat wrote:has nds re - signed?![]()
Bakes is being given Veterans Consideration- give it half a season before we say he's too old and too slow
Just after he gets awarded his Life membership at the Hall of fame.
I hope he does soon. Every day that passes fills me with fear we'll hear Dal singing this song one day:saintbrat wrote:has nds re - signed?![]()
Shame on you, he loves St Kilda. He is no Luke Ball.vacuous space wrote:I hope he does soon. Every day that passes fills me with fear we'll hear Dal singing this song one day:saintbrat wrote:has nds re - signed?![]()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDW0f6f-TI
I'll stop spamming that when it ceases to be funny.
I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
An average player plays 40 games. A good player doesnt come in the top 5 in the clubs best and fairest 3 out of 5 years. He is better than average but if you want to talk about your posts we can get very average or even poor.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
Must point out that you are wrong about the tackles, the rest is your opinion.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
Ok, let me correct that...SainterK wrote:Must point out that you are wrong about the tackles, the rest is your opinion.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
You really are amazing and that is not said in a positive way.rodgerfox wrote:Ok, let me correct that...SainterK wrote:Must point out that you are wrong about the tackles, the rest is your opinion.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
2004 - 16th in the comp
2005 - 26th
2006 - 13th
2007 - 42nd
2008 - 48th
2009 - 32nd
He's pretty clearly gone backwards in this area - and to be lower on the tackles list as a mature 26yo than as a skinny 21yo kid doesn't really hit home that he's now suddenly magically become a defensive powerhouse.
plugger66 wrote:You really are amazing and that is not said in a positive way.rodgerfox wrote:Ok, let me correct that...SainterK wrote:Must point out that you are wrong about the tackles, the rest is your opinion.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
2004 - 16th in the comp
2005 - 26th
2006 - 13th
2007 - 42nd
2008 - 48th
2009 - 32nd
He's pretty clearly gone backwards in this area - and to be lower on the tackles list as a mature 26yo than as a skinny 21yo kid doesn't really hit home that he's now suddenly magically become a defensive powerhouse.
20 years ago, getting 30 touches was unbelievable.Batnoe wrote:plugger66 wrote:You really are amazing and that is not said in a positive way.rodgerfox wrote:Ok, let me correct that...SainterK wrote:Must point out that you are wrong about the tackles, the rest is your opinion.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
2004 - 16th in the comp
2005 - 26th
2006 - 13th
2007 - 42nd
2008 - 48th
2009 - 32nd
He's pretty clearly gone backwards in this area - and to be lower on the tackles list as a mature 26yo than as a skinny 21yo kid doesn't really hit home that he's now suddenly magically become a defensive powerhouse.
How about you look at his total numbers, not what position he finished in the teackle count!
Also, he was number 1 in hard ball gets for the saints last year i read. So he is doing more of the harder stuff....
You are consistant. Again that is not a good thing.rodgerfox wrote:20 years ago, getting 30 touches was unbelievable.Batnoe wrote:plugger66 wrote:You really are amazing and that is not said in a positive way.rodgerfox wrote:Ok, let me correct that...SainterK wrote:Must point out that you are wrong about the tackles, the rest is your opinion.rodgerfox wrote:I actually think he's far less effective than he's ever been.saintsRrising wrote:Both will have good years.
Bakes is fully fit again.
Dal is post-dropping now a "complete" player.
He still struggles with a tag, doesn't lay as many tackles as he used to, as his output since his 3rd in the Brownlow year I think is well down.
He's learnt to play 'non exciting footy' well - I'll give him that. But I certainly don't see him as a better player at all.
Free agency might save a guy like him from being remembered as an average/good player.
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
2004 - 16th in the comp
2005 - 26th
2006 - 13th
2007 - 42nd
2008 - 48th
2009 - 32nd
He's pretty clearly gone backwards in this area - and to be lower on the tackles list as a mature 26yo than as a skinny 21yo kid doesn't really hit home that he's now suddenly magically become a defensive powerhouse.
How about you look at his total numbers, not what position he finished in the teackle count!
Also, he was number 1 in hard ball gets for the saints last year i read. So he is doing more of the harder stuff....
Nowadays a full back can get 30 touches.
The totals aren't that relevant in most stats these days.
Now that is funny. RF caught with his pants down once again...and rather than just saying he made an honest mistake and was wrong because he used the wrong set of stats he has to clutch at straws instead.rodgerfox wrote:
Ok, let me correct that...
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
.
What RF has written is exactly correct.saintsRrising wrote:Now that is funny. RF caught with his pants down once again...and rather than just saying he made an honest mistake and was wrong because he used the wrong set of stats he has to clutch at straws instead.rodgerfox wrote:
Ok, let me correct that...
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
.
Sure, I undersand the need to benchmark against the other players in the comp, but tackling is just one aspect of his game.Saints43 wrote:What RF has written is exactly correct.saintsRrising wrote:Now that is funny. RF caught with his pants down once again...and rather than just saying he made an honest mistake and was wrong because he used the wrong set of stats he has to clutch at straws instead.rodgerfox wrote:
Ok, let me correct that...
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
.
If you want to benchmark NDS against NDS's history that's up to you. NDS needs to be benchmarked against other players in the competition at that point in time.
As do all players.
All I posted about was whether RF had been 'caught with his pants down once again' or not.SainterK wrote:Sure, I undersand the need to benchmark against the other players in the comp, but tackling is just one aspect of his game.Saints43 wrote:What RF has written is exactly correct.saintsRrising wrote:Now that is funny. RF caught with his pants down once again...and rather than just saying he made an honest mistake and was wrong because he used the wrong set of stats he has to clutch at straws instead.rodgerfox wrote:
Ok, let me correct that...
Comparably, he lays less tackles...
.
If you want to benchmark NDS against NDS's history that's up to you. NDS needs to be benchmarked against other players in the competition at that point in time.
As do all players.
Perhaps the discussion should be is Dal more of a complete player now in comparison to other players in the comp, not just on his tackles laid.