did he earn it..?...speak your mind

[plugger66]

Fancy numbers being up...I thought Australia's population was shrinking!?!

Especially since there was a GFC and most other business went backwards last year. Yes fancy it.

In times of economic depression sport often benefits. It becomes a great outlet for people who might be struggling. Look back over time and you will see this.

But not much point discussing this is there Plug, cos you are always going to back the AFL to the hilt!

I may back the AFL but at least I havent got a closed mind on how good the AFL are going. Not interested in how many grounds have been upgraded lately. Best competition in Australia by far and the gap has increased over the last few years but no the one eyes are out and the AFL is badly run and I am apperently the one who cant have a sensible discussion on the subject.

Since when did the AFL's CEO become a hero for bringing in $$.

Since when did the average fan give a shiit about whether or not footy is the 'strongest comp' in the country?


Why do people care about this sort of stuff when the actual game itself is a con? The most contrived, unfair, manipulated 'competition' since the Harlem Globetrotters last hit the court.


When was it that the AFL sucked everyone in to thinking the game itself should merely become a pawn in the AFL's plan to make the 'sport' bigger?

It should always be about the game. Not the sport - but the game. About two teams battling it out. Two tribes playing for pride and bragging rights.

Who gives a **** about how members there are? Who gives a **** about how shiny the shiitters are at the Docklands stadium? Who gives a **** about the fact that more people apparently attend our game than the others?

I'd trade it all in to see my team play at their home ground, in a fair and consistent Draw.

I'd trade it all for the game to be played and won on it's merits.

I'd trade it all in for the flag to go to the best team each year.


Since when did the actual competition become a little distraction to the sport being the biggest in the country?

Lets go back to the Junction oval. Geelong v us at Shell stadium. All standing but outside the ground as we cant get in. Collingwood at Their home ground in Collingwood. How good was that?

Yes the draw isnt fair but do we go back to 12 teams. How would that be fair to the 4 that go or do we have 30 games. That will never happen as the players wouldnt agree with it. Maybe you want to go back to the old VFL teams which were nearly all bankrupt.

You seem so unhappy with the game but you continue posting on here like a person who loves the game. Do you visit cemeteries on Saturday nights when you go out on the town.

[stinger]

well...if he sticks it up those soccer arseholes...he will have ..imho that is....


http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/w ... -qilr.html

[rodgerfox]

You seem so unhappy with the game but you continue posting on here like a person who loves the game. Do you visit cemeteries on Saturday nights when you go out on the town.

Any chance of staying on topic?

[barks4eva]

A bunch of pigs with their snouts in the trough giving themselves pay rises every year!

Demetrio's salary has risen annually from 2007


$780,000

up to

1.4 million ( at the same time he was buying a new Toorak Mansion, handy hey? ) seriously this is like putting a kid in a candy store, lining his own pockets and on this occasion a pay rise of over $600,000 in one year, followed by $200,000 pay rises in the next two!

1.6 million

1.8 million

All up he has given himself a pay rise of more than one million in three years!

An absolute rort, pigs with their snouts in the trough telling everyone what a fantastic job they're doing to justify paying themselves, hundreds of thousands of dollars more in pay rises, EVERY YEAR!

It's all a massive con, there is absolutely no accountability, just more massive pay increases every year and more spin about how wonderful they are and how the game needs their stewardship or it would go down the toilet!

FAIR DINKUM, it's an absolute disgrace!

[Dis Believer]

Whenever you find yourself in agreement with both RF and B4E, then you know it's time to seek medical help.

Sorry Plunger, but emphasis on positive numbers, where there is no verifable link to your own performance, to justify a massive payrise to yourself is exactly the sort of propaganda you seem to swallow and support.

How exactly did AD and monkey boy contribute to improved club membership levels? And attendance - does that not simply reflect the increased turnout at games when Victorian teams are dominating finals and H&A? Hard to take credit I would have thought.

And explain how you can justify an administrator of the game receiving (note that I didin't say earning) a salary that is higher than the earnings of a lot of the clubs!!!! The distribution of funds needs a thorough examination.

Given the excessively poor stadium deals that they presided over being introduced to begin with, they are hardly able to claim fixing their own c**k-up as a justification for a big payrise IMO.

[matrix]

wonder what degree id have to get to so i could get a job with pay rises like that
wonder if he's york or scot side

[rodgerfox]

To me, it is clear that the AFL have a long, long term plan to globalise the game.

They just haven't told the public this.


All the rule changes, all the trips to the US every off-season, all the 'Aus vs. Irish' stuff is about the long term goal of it being an international sport.


That's my belief.

It's not about 'the survival of the game' or the 'survival of the clubs' and all that bullshiit that people suck up. It's about setting it up to be an international sport.


Aussie Rules as it was 10 years ago, would never have made it globally. Too rough. Too ugly. Too confusing with the rules being very grey. Too 'stop-start'. It was offensive to the eye - but this never mattered to anyone who supported. It wasn't about how pretty it was - it was about your team winning. Your club winning.

They've created a game that they can sell to the Yanks.

In the meantime, they've butchered the passion out of it. It's a more 'easy on the eye' game that is choreographed to ensure close finishes and comfortable seats to get corporates to bring their buddies along to to get pissed and pretend they care about the result.

It's been turned from a sport into a sellable entertainment package that one day can be sold to the American public.


Now based on this, Demetriou has been a success. And that's what the AFL themselves will be marking themselves on.

So he's doing it right.

The problem is, to me that's not what I want from the game. So to me, he's ****ing it up badly.

To many people, he's ****ing it up badly.

[Richter]

My 5c worth...

AD is trying to cement AFL's position as a NATIONAL sport. He is far too shrewd to realise that exporting the game globally would be anything but doomed to failure.

He does a good job of both leading the organisation AND being beholden to its owners = the 16 clubs. All the major moves he makes are countenanced by the 16 clubs. Witness GC17 and GWS, the stadium deals and the broadcast agreement.

It is obvious that with the huge improvment in living standards over the last 25 years that people have more $$$ to spend on leisure time activities. The AFL have been front and centre in making sure that Aussie Rules is the major beneficiary of this.

When I was a kid in Britain soccer was a tribal, male dominated sport. I enjoyed that. But now that I look back I also see that the ugly other side of that coin was racism, gender discrimination, violence etc. I can't comment but do people here recognise any of those things from their own experience of "the good old days". When I see old TV coverage of VFL games it is noteworthy how poor the skills are, and how BORING the game was. Sure not all games ar enjoyable nowadays, but I have to say that I find the majority of games exciting, skillful and enjoyable.

Progress means positioning the sport for the next decade whilst retaining what is good about the game. People are voting with their feet. That suggests the AFL are doing a good job. Sure you're going to get the odd egomaniac/luddite (see above) who thinks that things were better in the old days. NEWS to you folk - you do not own the game just because you used to go to Moorabbin and stand on the terraces in the cold and wet.

Also what is vital is living within financial means. Whilst the English Premier League has basically been a success, there has to be a huge fear that it is a bubble that will at some stage be burst. That has not happened with the AFL. The salary cap has restrained spending. The clubs are in good financial health and the cost of watching AFL games has remained low. I repeat that. The cost of watching AFL is low. The majority of the games involving home team clubs are on free to watch on TV and the cost of watching your team live at the stadium is low. Being a member equates to a cost of approx $15/game. By international standards that is incredibly good value for 2 and a half hours of live sport. This means that the game is amazingly accessible to the community at large.

[degruch]

Interesting that a lot of the progress mentioned in this thread, stems from initiatives taken pre-Dimwit and AA. Credit where credit's due for TV rights, stadium deals (eventually), as yet unquantified success or otherwise of expansion teams, post-it-note interchange system and approvals for spending lots of money prior to GFC clamp...not everything's been a success, but they had a crack.

However, I feel there's a lot of credit being taken by the AFL, that the clubs deserve, not AD & AA.

[plugger66]

Whenever you find yourself in agreement with both RF and B4E, then you know it's time to seek medical help.

Sorry Plunger, but emphasis on positive numbers, where there is no verifable link to your own performance, to justify a massive payrise to yourself is exactly the sort of propaganda you seem to swallow and support.

How exactly did AD and monkey boy contribute to improved club membership levels? And attendance - does that not simply reflect the increased turnout at games when Victorian teams are dominating finals and H&A? Hard to take credit I would have thought.

And explain how you can justify an administrator of the game receiving (note that I didin't say earning) a salary that is higher than the earnings of a lot of the clubs!!!! The distribution of funds needs a thorough examination.

Given the excessively poor stadium deals that they presided over being introduced to begin with, they are hardly able to claim fixing their own c**k-up as a justification for a big payrise IMO.

Why have all membership numbers gone up? If it was the individual clubs only a few would go up but it seem strange that all have gone up. It is because of the popularity of the game and that is driven by the AFL not individual clubs.

The poor stadium deals were done pre AD and are now completely fixed up again because of the hard bargaining position of the AFL.

What about how many stadiums have been upgraded in the last few years will little cost to the AFL. What about the home ground upgrades of various grounds like Arden St, carlton, seaford etc with little or no cost to those clubs.

Finally and the most obvious reason I see for the payrise is how big the gap is getting between the AFL and other competitions in Australia.

Every single person who has run the VFL/AFL for at least 30 years has been criticised but no one has answers apart from saying he is getting to much. If he is doing such a bad job then pay shouldnt come into it. He should be sacked. Got any ideas of a replacement that will not be criticised?

[barks4eva]

Why have all membership numbers gone up? If it was the individual clubs only a few would go up but it seem strange that all have gone up. It is because of the popularity of the game and that is driven by the AFL not individual clubs.

The poor stadium deals were done pre AD and are now completely fixed up again because of the hard bargaining position of the AFL.

What about how many stadiums have been upgraded in the last few years will little cost to the AFL. What about the home ground upgrades of various grounds like Arden St, carlton, seaford etc with little or no cost to those clubs.

Finally and the most obvious reason I see for the payrise is how big the gap is getting between the AFL and other competitions in Australia.

Every single person who has run the VFL/AFL for at least 30 years has been criticised but no one has answers apart from saying he is getting to much. If he is doing such a bad job then pay shouldnt come into it. He should be sacked. Got any ideas of a replacement that will not be criticised?

Adrian, I think you're heavily conflicted so your post should be treated with the contempt it deserves!

[rodgerfox]

Finally and the most obvious reason I see for the payrise is how big the gap is getting between the AFL and other competitions in Australia.

As a supporter of a footy team, why the hell does the gap between the AFL and the NRL make a difference to anything? Why would that in any way, shape or form be seen as a pat on the back or payrise trigger for someone?

Why do people who support a footy team give a stuff about how the 'sport' compares to soccer?

I really don't understand this.


When you jump in your car, do you hope it starts properly and runs well? Or are you more concerned with how popular Hondas are compared to Holdens in the marketplace?

The AFL have duped the footy fan into thinking that this is important.

[markp]

There are screen-jockeys out there making similar money....

And of course it's important for the AFL to keep growing and increasing its 'market share' over soccer and NRL.... what sort of a game would it be if it'd just stayed the VFL?... How secure would its longterm future be?

[plugger66]

Finally and the most obvious reason I see for the payrise is how big the gap is getting between the AFL and other competitions in Australia.

As a supporter of a footy team, why the hell does the gap between the AFL and the NRL make a difference to anything? Why would that in any way, shape or form be seen as a pat on the back or payrise trigger for someone?

Why do people who support a footy team give a stuff about how the 'sport' compares to soccer?

I really don't understand this.


When you jump in your car, do you hope it starts properly and runs well? Or are you more concerned with how popular Hondas are compared to Holdens in the marketplace?

The AFL have duped the footy fan into thinking that this is important.

The point of that post was just to prove how well run it is. If it wasnt well run the gap would stay the same surely.

As a supporter I want the competition well run. If it was run as well back in the early 90's as it is now then Fitzroy would still exist. Maybe you dont care whether sides stay or go but i do.

By the way where was soccer mentioned?

[ace]

You have to pay big money to get quality corruption that on the surface appears deniable.
As for Mr D., I don't think he deserves his high pay packet.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

It's a business recap folks.

When big enterprises fare well, the CEO fares well. When they struggle, the CEO struggles. It's relative of course, the site socialists will point out they'd happily "struggle" along for a 7 figure salary... but they won't, because you need to get the job first.

I disagree with Demitriou all the time, and personally happen to think his biggest achievement is not getting in the way as the AFL juggernaut rolls on. But even that achievement deserves it's share of credit.

I certainly can't say I'm surprised that the CEO of a business the size of the AFL, going through continued expansion is pulling down 1.8mil. I'm more surprised that it seems to bother people so much.

[Moods]

Aussie Rules as it was 10 years ago, would never have made it globally. Too rough. Too ugly. Too confusing with the rules being very grey. Too 'stop-start'. It was offensive to the eye - but this never mattered to anyone who supported. It wasn't about how pretty it was - it was about your team winning. Your club winning.

So today, to the people who support the game - US the general public, it's not about winning?

People love to get nostalgic about the good old days, you know - when the only time you got to watch footy was a delayed replay of the last 1/4 of one game per round. If it was pouring rain you never had the comfort of an indoor stadium. If you were lucky enough to be playing the pies at Victora Park, you needed to arrive 3 hours earlier to have a sniff of a seat. And it was so crowded many of the blokes would p/ss is a can when going to the toilet.

Not to mention the standard of the footy. We have become so accustomed to fast moving exciting games that are incredibly physical and rough but fair, that we think that taking a bloke out behind play is old school. IN actual fact the blokes who played 20-30 years ago were fairies. I recall in 89 yabby Jeans imploring the hawks to get 45 tackles a game and they were guaranteed a win. No 50-60 tackles a game is the norm.

AS Paul Roos often says - pple look back fondly on the old days, but thank god only a small proportion of games were televised back then so ppl don't recall the awful standard of many games.

My old club, Fitzroy, was eaten up by the corporate giants, and if anyone was entitled to feel bitter at the AFL it was us old roy boy supporters. I did too for a while. If only the AFL of the time gave handouts and assisted clubs with financial management like they do today then the royboys may have survived and even prospered like the doggies.

I am a public servant on a set slightly above average wage, but I am always amazed at the bitterness of people twds those in power earning good money. The P.M. earns less than many top end ppl in our society, and yet we expect these people to give up lucrative jobs and lead our country? AS head of the AFL Demetriou certainly makes mistakes but if we want the very best person we can find to keep our sport alive, then a huge wage necessary. If the AFL is not positioned correctly it will go the way of soccer and basketball. Then RF and his mates can have his old style footy back in a comp called the VFL supporting Sandringham....

[Sainterman]

Aussie Rules as it was 10 years ago, would never have made it globally. Too rough. Too ugly. Too confusing with the rules being very grey. Too 'stop-start'. It was offensive to the eye - but this never mattered to anyone who supported. It wasn't about how pretty it was - it was about your team winning. Your club winning.

So today, to the people who support the game - US the general public, it's not about winning?

People love to get nostalgic about the good old days, you know - when the only time you got to watch footy was a delayed replay of the last 1/4 of one game per round. If it was pouring rain you never had the comfort of an indoor stadium. If you were lucky enough to be playing the pies at Victora Park, you needed to arrive 3 hours earlier to have a sniff of a seat. And it was so crowded many of the blokes would p/ss is a can when going to the toilet.

Not to mention the standard of the footy. We have become so accustomed to fast moving exciting games that are incredibly physical and rough but fair, that we think that taking a bloke out behind play is old school. IN actual fact the blokes who played 20-30 years ago were fairies. I recall in 89 yabby Jeans imploring the hawks to get 45 tackles a game and they were guaranteed a win. No 50-60 tackles a game is the norm.

AS Paul Roos often says - pple look back fondly on the old days, but thank god only a small proportion of games were televised back then so ppl don't recall the awful standard of many games.

My old club, Fitzroy, was eaten up by the corporate giants, and if anyone was entitled to feel bitter at the AFL it was us old roy boy supporters. I did too for a while. If only the AFL of the time gave handouts and assisted clubs with financial management like they do today then the royboys may have survived and even prospered like the doggies.

I am a public servant on a set slightly above average wage, but I am always amazed at the bitterness of people twds those in power earning good money. The P.M. earns less than many top end ppl in our society, and yet we expect these people to give up lucrative jobs and lead our country? AS head of the AFL Demetriou certainly makes mistakes but if we want the very best person we can find to keep our sport alive, then a huge wage necessary. If the AFL is not positioned correctly it will go the way of soccer and basketball. Then RF and his mates can have his old style footy back in a comp called the VFL supporting Sandringham....

Hang on, is this thread about whether the CEO of the AFL should earn $1.8m or is it about whether AD should be earning this much for the job HE is doing?

Fair enough for a big "corporation" to be led by someone earning this sort of money, but is AD worth this?

Do we think he has done the absolute best job that one could do to justify these constant pay increases? Does he have a background that justified his initial appointment? From what I know he was a P.E teacher, and a failed businessman prior to becoming Operations Manager and then CEO. It is certainly a meteoric rise!

The guy is earning double the highest paid player in the game...seems out of scale doesn't it? Is it Rooey and players of similar ilk bringing the crowds, TV deals etc, or is it the mgt of AD?

Interesting that the Herald Sun poll showed over 70% of people think he is earning way above the odds...

[plugger66]

Aussie Rules as it was 10 years ago, would never have made it globally. Too rough. Too ugly. Too confusing with the rules being very grey. Too 'stop-start'. It was offensive to the eye - but this never mattered to anyone who supported. It wasn't about how pretty it was - it was about your team winning. Your club winning.

So today, to the people who support the game - US the general public, it's not about winning?

People love to get nostalgic about the good old days, you know - when the only time you got to watch footy was a delayed replay of the last 1/4 of one game per round. If it was pouring rain you never had the comfort of an indoor stadium. If you were lucky enough to be playing the pies at Victora Park, you needed to arrive 3 hours earlier to have a sniff of a seat. And it was so crowded many of the blokes would p/ss is a can when going to the toilet.

Not to mention the standard of the footy. We have become so accustomed to fast moving exciting games that are incredibly physical and rough but fair, that we think that taking a bloke out behind play is old school. IN actual fact the blokes who played 20-30 years ago were fairies. I recall in 89 yabby Jeans imploring the hawks to get 45 tackles a game and they were guaranteed a win. No 50-60 tackles a game is the norm.

AS Paul Roos often says - pple look back fondly on the old days, but thank god only a small proportion of games were televised back then so ppl don't recall the awful standard of many games.

My old club, Fitzroy, was eaten up by the corporate giants, and if anyone was entitled to feel bitter at the AFL it was us old roy boy supporters. I did too for a while. If only the AFL of the time gave handouts and assisted clubs with financial management like they do today then the royboys may have survived and even prospered like the doggies.

I am a public servant on a set slightly above average wage, but I am always amazed at the bitterness of people twds those in power earning good money. The P.M. earns less than many top end ppl in our society, and yet we expect these people to give up lucrative jobs and lead our country? AS head of the AFL Demetriou certainly makes mistakes but if we want the very best person we can find to keep our sport alive, then a huge wage necessary. If the AFL is not positioned correctly it will go the way of soccer and basketball. Then RF and his mates can have his old style footy back in a comp called the VFL supporting Sandringham....

Hang on, is this thread about whether the CEO of the AFL should earn $1.8m or is it about whether AD should be earning this much for the job HE is doing?

Fair enough for a big "corporation" to be led by someone earning this sort of money, but is AD worth this?

Do we think he has done the absolute best job that one could do to justify these constant pay increases? Does he have a background that justified his initial appointment? From what I know he was a P.E teacher, and a failed businessman prior to becoming Operations Manager and then CEO. It is certainly a meteoric rise!

The guy is earning double the highest paid player in the game...seems out of scale doesn't it? Is it Rooey and players of similar ilk bringing the crowds, TV deals etc, or is it the mgt of AD?

Interesting that the Herald Sun poll showed over 70% of people think he is earning way above the odds...

A poll like that would always say he is overpaid. Actually surprised 30% didnt think he was. If they had a poll on whether the prime minister is overpaid it would probably say the same and that is surely the most underpaid position in Australia..

Also why does it matter what AD has done previously. Isnt it what the group are doing now. Otherwise that means we question every person who started in a crap job and worked their way up.

[Finna]

Would you do it if you could ??

Increase your pay so significantly every year.....

I'd say he's a very smart man!

[plugger66]

Would you do it if you could ??

Increase your pay so significantly every year.....

I'd say he's a very smart man!

Is that how it works. The CEO controls hos own salary. Didnt realise that. I wonder what Nettlefold will give himself next year?

[Finna]

Does he control his own salary?

[plugger66]

Does he control his own salary?

Dont know but you seem to know AD does. Very strange because like a company they have a commission that you would think decide these things

[Finna]

Did I say he controls his own salary?

FWIW I don't believe he does but he has the ability to gain such remarkable increases in his net worth.

I am more inclined to thinking of him as a very smart man who is able to increase his salary and worth.

[saintspremiers]

AD deserves a decent salary....he is improving and learning slowly, but surely.

All I want is for him to improve, and he is doing this.

WOW!

He even admits that LIVE footy for ALL matches is what is required for 2012 rights!

He is a GENIUS!

If only he didn't bend over to 7 back when the current deal was given. It's clear he didn't think live TV footy was important

IMO footy will be a lot better with Friday night live on TV, plus the other games on Saturday and Sunday.

Things can only improve.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 5842978449