Lovett lodges notice of grievance with club

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My corporate knowledge??

How would that help a footy dept?

Agree the last guy who tried that turned a belief cloud into a mushroom!

It's interesting isn't it?

I've read a couple of times on here that our modern footy dept. apparently runs like a standard corporate structure.


What's odd, is that it seems people think that's a good thing.

From reading this site, I thought that bringing any form of corporate anything into the footy dept. was a hangable offence!

Ok Dodgy, why don't you tell us how it all works down at the Saints. You seem to know all when it comes to structures, be they football clubs or corporations. You even seem to know where a poster might fit in to a corporate structure, so please, outline for me in detail what the structure is at a football club, generally and then at the Saints. You are of course all knowing...so I would expect it to be a good explanation.

Oh, and if you can avoid answering this post with 50 more off topic questions it would be much appreciated!

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You must have me confused with another poster.

I've been asking, and asking, and asking someone to tell me how our new 'modern footy dept.' works but no-one (especially the ones who were demanding this new 'modern footy dept.') can tell me how it works.

I'm confused as to how it works at the Saints, because one minute I'm reading that 'ROSS LYON TOOK US TO A GF', but then I read that all he does is coach. So clearly he isn't the one taking us to a flag - infact considering we have a list manager, a fitness dude and recruiters who all report into the Footy Manager (or so I'm told), and considering Ross Lyon himself reports into the Footy Manager (or so I'm told) then I'd almost say he has one of the smallest jobs in the place.

But then I read that he read Luke Ball the riot act in regards to his pay and whether or not he was going to get a contract with the club.
So I'm confused even further.

And then I read that Ross Lyon fixed the injury mess at the club. For the life of me, I can't work out how the coach would have the slightest bit of involvement in that area at all.


So still I wait to have my questions answered.

Pretty simple, nong.

There are several extremely well qualified persons in charge of a division and they all do their level best.

At a more micro level, the football department is exactly the same.

What more do you need to know?

What more could you want to know?

As for 'coach's power' in the grand scheme - I assume that's where you rifle is pointed - beyond selection, spruiking vanilla to the Herald Sun, and getting results from and motivating players towards adherence to a plan, there's little else for him to do.

Surely you as someone who clearly knows plenty about all sorts of stuff could work that out.

What are you RF? Seriously? What makes YOU tick? What do you do day-to-day?

For mine you are far more mysterious - albeit far less productively occupied - than staffers of a football club...

[Bernard Shakey]

Andrew Lovett will never play for St Kilda, full stop.

[sainterinsydney]

Why is that?

[The Fireman]

If Lovett was our only hope for a flag would you want him to play?

[Bernard Shakey]

Why is that?

Heard it from a person close to the club at the first open training session.

[Bernard Shakey]

If Lovett was our only hope for a flag would you want him to play?

He's not, so the question is irrelevant.

[The Fireman]

If Lovett was our only hope for a flag would you want him to play?

He's not, so the question is irrelevant.

it's hypothetical and it is relevant.

[Teflon]

I thought it was Jack Anthony's girlfriend? I imagine that would have been big news if it had been Gram's misses? Geez, everything is just speculation at the moment.

i think she is a former girlfriend of a collingwood player...that was reported...

...she rang anthony....that also was reported...he rang triple 0...that has also been reported...

...the girl and another came back to grams unit with gram and lovett...that has also been reported.....the information i posted above was told to me this morning and came from a club official.....i don't know if it's true or not...as i alluded to above...certainly the source of my information described her as gram's girlfriend and said the club was supporting him.....

why would Grams girlfriend after being assaulted call Jack Anthony with Gram outside?

This doesnt stack up at all.....

[Bernard Shakey]

If Lovett was our only hope for a flag would you want him to play?

He's not, so the question is irrelevant.

it's hypothetical and it is relevant.

It's rubbish!

[sainterinsydney]

I haven't heard anything about Gram's girlfriend in the official accounts....

[Teflon]

Why is that?

Heard it from a person close to the club at the first open training session.

what a fkn waste this whole exercise......Lovett IS exactly the type player we needed......geezus this this is so dissapointing in a year where we needed to be at our best.

No 1 player is the GF difference...they are all a piece of the puzzle.....Lovett was a piece we needed.

[Bernard Shakey]

Why is that?

Heard it from a person close to the club at the first open training session.

what a fkn waste this whole exercise......Lovett IS exactly the type player we needed......geezus this this is so dissapointing in a year where we needed to be at our best.

No 1 player is the GF difference...they are all a piece of the puzzle.....Lovett was a piece we needed.

One player does not make the difference, unless it's Spider in the '97 GF.

[The Fireman]

If Lovett was our only hope for a flag would you want him to play?

He's not, so the question is irrelevant.

it's hypothetical and it is relevant.

It's rubbish!

what is rubbish?

[sainterinsydney]

Let's see what happens this week.

[SENsei]

I thought it was Jack Anthony's girlfriend? I imagine that would have been big news if it had been Gram's misses? Geez, everything is just speculation at the moment.

i think she is a former girlfriend of a collingwood player...that was reported...

...she rang anthony....that also was reported...he rang triple 0...that has also been reported...

...the girl and another came back to grams unit with gram and lovett...that has also been reported.....the information i posted above was told to me this morning and came from a club official.....i don't know if it's true or not...as i alluded to above...certainly the source of my information described her as gram's girlfriend and said the club was supporting him.....

why would Grams girlfriend after being assaulted call Jack Anthony with Gram outside?

This doesnt stack up at all.....

Hypothetically....could've called in Gram to make him aware of the situation. Gram panicked a little? Didn't react as she thought he should? She calls Anthony. The rest is history.

Supposition though, all of it. None of us are in possession of any facts, let alone the full story.

If there is a skerric of truth in stinger's comments, yes, there is no way that he will ever where a St Kilda jumper.....and that could be why the club has taken such a strong line of exclusion.

But again, supposition and hypothesism (a word?)....

[Teflon]

Why is that?

Heard it from a person close to the club at the first open training session.

what a fkn waste this whole exercise......Lovett IS exactly the type player we needed......geezus this this is so dissapointing in a year where we needed to be at our best.

No 1 player is the GF difference...they are all a piece of the puzzle.....Lovett was a piece we needed.

One player does not make the difference, unless it's Spider in the '97 GF.

I think thats what I said...... - but a player 'type' that we lack can make a difference and a running goal kicker we arent in plenty supply of.

I admit to not having huge faith in Peake.....love to be wrong....

[ace]

BTW - my best mate coaches a club where a very recent ex saints player plays. THe version he has provided is nothing like the wishful supposedly plausible scenario you have given. Not that you are to know that.

Let me see if I have got this right.

1. You are telling us that,
2. Your mate told you that,
3. A former St Kilda footballer told your mate that,
4. Somone at the club told the former St Kilda player that,
5. A person present at the house like Jason Gram, who seems to have not been present in the room, told the someone at club that,
What ever happened.

Or did I leave someone out!

And that nothing has been embelished, misconstrued or changed in the process.

[saintsRrising]

I thought it was Jack Anthony's girlfriend? I imagine that would have been big news if it had been Gram's misses? Geez, everything is just speculation at the moment.

i think she is a former girlfriend of a collingwood player...that was reported...

...she rang anthony....that also was reported...he rang triple 0...that has also been reported...

...the girl and another came back to grams unit with gram and lovett...that has also been reported.....the information i posted above was told to me this morning and came from a club official.....i don't know if it's true or not...as i alluded to above...certainly the source of my information described her as gram's girlfriend and said the club was supporting him.....

why would Grams girlfriend after being assaulted call Jack Anthony with Gram outside?

This doesnt stack up at all.....

Maybe it was Gram's girl friend as opposed to girlfriend....

[saintsRrising]

I thought it was Jack Anthony's girlfriend? .

It was reported as EX-gf...not current gf.

[ace]

I thought it was Jack Anthony's girlfriend? I imagine that would have been big news if it had been Gram's misses? Geez, everything is just speculation at the moment.

If she was a Collingwood supporter and Jack Anthony's girl, I don't care if AL is innocent or guilty.
Sleeping with the enemy, he must go.

[sainterinsydney]

I bet you'd change your tune if he did a running goal in the GF.

[sainterinsydney]

I'd say legally that St. Kilda would be in serious trouble if Lovett was kept out of the loop after a scenario where no charges are laid. He has a contract, remember.

[ace]

Only that the investigation is still ongoing and police are not close to an outcome yet.

"Investigation is still ongoing" is that code for "the police don't know what the hell happened because the evidence and statements are contradictory" or does it mean "the police have got so much on their plate that they haven't had time to start writing their report".

It certainly can't mean that they have yet to examine some evidence or waiting to interview someone [or waiting for payment as there is no corruption in Vic Police is there].
They have had plenty of time to do these many times.

[ace]

I'd say legally that St. Kilda would be in serious trouble if Lovett was kept out of the loop after a scenario where no charges are laid. He has a contract, remember.

If no charges were laid against Lovett and the club excluded him, the club would be required to pay him every cent due under his contract and the AFL would insist that every cent came out of the salary cap.
Lovett's management would not accept any reduction.
Lovett would also have a strong case against the club for loss of future earnings as a player because of his exclusion.

[meher baba]

I'd say legally that St. Kilda would be in serious trouble if Lovett was kept out of the loop after a scenario where no charges are laid. He has a contract, remember.

If no charges were laid against Lovett and the club excluded him, the club would be required to pay him every cent due under his contract and the AFL would insist that every cent came out of the salary cap.
Lovett's management would not accept any reduction.
Lovett would also have a strong case against the club for loss of future earnings as a player because of his exclusion.

if the scenario was a anything like what Stinger reported, I don't think the club will care how much they have to pay him to go away. And, while they would probably be open to another club taking over his contract, I doubt that any AFL clubs would want to.

Would he still take us to court under those circumstances? It will keep the case alive in the media, who will be free to seek out those who were in the flat, or anyone who knows anyone who was in the flat.

Not pretty.

So I reckon he would take the $$$ and go quietly and might pop up again in Western Sydney at some point,

The question for me is whether there is anything we can do to reduce the impact on our salary cap over the next three years.