nothing to show

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

Post Reply
gosainters66
Club Player
Posts: 92
Joined: Wed 02 Sep 2009 10:37am
Location: saint land
Contact:

nothing to show

Post: # 856998Post gosainters66 »

luke ball and matty maquire gone and nothing to show for them , i'm dissapointed to say the least , could have been handled better imo


SAINTS FOR EVER
User avatar
Spinner
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8502
Joined: Sat 02 Dec 2006 3:40pm
Location: Victoria
Has thanked: 185 times
Been thanked: 133 times

Post: # 857000Post Spinner »

How?

The Ball trade was handled as best as it could of. We worked with what we were working with.


Maguire was delisted. I dont agree with his delisting, but the only way to handle this situation better was to not delist him.....A much more black and white scenario.


User avatar
Armoooo
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7281
Joined: Sun 26 Nov 2006 2:28pm
Location: The Great South East
Contact:

Post: # 857001Post Armoooo »

Obviously nobody wanted Maguire...

As for Ball, the best Collingwood could offer was pick 25, had it been pick 21 we would have done the deal... simple as that.

The club has handled it self fantastically IMO, sure we have lost a few good players but we weren't bullied by the bigger boys, it is a sign of strength and the players we lost are expendable...


ROBERT HARVEY A.K.A The Great Man, Banger, Harves, Ol' Man River...
384 games, 4 B&F's, 3 EJ Whitten Medals, St.Kilda Captain, 2 Time Brownlow Medalist, 8 Time All Australian, 2nd Highest Brownlow votes poller.... The greatest of ALL TIME!!
User avatar
Eastern
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 14357
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
Location: 3132
Been thanked: 1 time

Post: # 857002Post Eastern »

No-one wanted Goose and no-one wanted to pay market value for Luke. Could have been handled better? By whom?

In the Ball case I see it as a short term loss but a much greater gain in the medium to longer term for St Kilda !!


NEW scarf signature (hopefully with correct spelling) will be here as soon as it arrives !!

Image
gosainters66
Club Player
Posts: 92
Joined: Wed 02 Sep 2009 10:37am
Location: saint land
Contact:

Post: # 857003Post gosainters66 »

bombers wanted MM


SAINTS FOR EVER
User avatar
Spinner
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8502
Joined: Sat 02 Dec 2006 3:40pm
Location: Victoria
Has thanked: 185 times
Been thanked: 133 times

Post: # 857004Post Spinner »

Eastern wrote:No-one wanted Goose and no-one wanted to pay market value for Luke. Cooukd have been handled better? By whom?

In the Ball case I see it as a short term loss but a much greater gain in the medium to longer term for St Kilda !!
Yes, lets just hope he doesn't get to Collingwood because the backlash from the 'hindsight police' (pie supporters) will be unbearable.


User avatar
Eastern
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 14357
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
Location: 3132
Been thanked: 1 time

Post: # 857005Post Eastern »

gosainters66 wrote:bombers wanted MM
I recall that they said they were mildly interested. Did they put a firm offer to St Kilda? !!


NEW scarf signature (hopefully with correct spelling) will be here as soon as it arrives !!

Image
joffaboy
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 20200
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:57pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Post: # 857006Post joffaboy »

gosainters66 wrote:bombers wanted MM
Can you show us the source where the Saints were offered anything for Goose during Trade Week?

Absolutely nothing discussed on here or in the press about a possible trade and any offer.


Lance or James??

There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
User avatar
Bernard Shakey
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 11240
Joined: Sun 18 Mar 2007 11:22pm
Location: Down By The River 1989, 2003, 2009 & 2013
Has thanked: 126 times
Been thanked: 137 times

Post: # 857007Post Bernard Shakey »

gosainters66 wrote:bombers wanted MM
They didn't try very hard.


Old enough to repaint, but young enough to sell
User avatar
yipper
SS Life Member
Posts: 3967
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 8:18am
Location: Gippsland
Been thanked: 10 times

Post: # 857009Post yipper »

gosainters66 wrote:bombers wanted MM
Did they?? Then why didn't they trade for him???


I want to stand for something. I'm a loyal person and I think at the end of my career it will be great to look back and know that I'm a St Kilda person for life.
- Nick Riewoldt. May 19th 2009.
gosainters66
Club Player
Posts: 92
Joined: Wed 02 Sep 2009 10:37am
Location: saint land
Contact:

Post: # 857010Post gosainters66 »

dont get me wrong ,i personally dont think they are great players but we still could have got something 4 them , i personally think that pick 26 would have been good value for ball ,


SAINTS FOR EVER
User avatar
borderbarry
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6676
Joined: Mon 19 Apr 2004 11:22pm
Location: Wodonga

Post: # 857011Post borderbarry »

"Luke ball and matty maquire gone and nothing to show for them , i'm dissapointed to say the least , could have been handled better imo"

Add to that Pick 60 for Xavier Clark. Not our best year.


Stillwaiting
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4432
Joined: Sun 25 May 2008 5:39pm

Post: # 857012Post Stillwaiting »

Spinner wrote:
Eastern wrote:No-one wanted Goose and no-one wanted to pay market value for Luke. Cooukd have been handled better? By whom?

In the Ball case I see it as a short term loss but a much greater gain in the medium to longer term for St Kilda !!
Yes, lets just hope he doesn't get to Collingwood because the backlash from the 'hindsight police' (pie supporters) will be unbearable.
Eddiewood and Darcy have already might a few sly comments about the no trade.

The club handled it very well, the only problem is we will never hear the end of it if he ends up at eddiewood


I love this club
User avatar
Eastern
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 14357
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
Location: 3132
Been thanked: 1 time

Post: # 857014Post Eastern »

I don't know where people get this pick 25 (not 26) from. Collingwood's first pick is #30. I don't go for the story that Collingwood were going to trade with Nth Melb for it. THEY DIDN'T, therefore they DIDN'T HAVE IT TO TRADE WITH !!


NEW scarf signature (hopefully with correct spelling) will be here as soon as it arrives !!

Image
gosainters66
Club Player
Posts: 92
Joined: Wed 02 Sep 2009 10:37am
Location: saint land
Contact:

Post: # 857015Post gosainters66 »

joffaboy wrote:
gosainters66 wrote:bombers wanted MM
Can you show us the source where the Saints were offered anything for Goose during Trade Week?

Absolutely nothing discussed on here or in the press about a possible trade and any offer.

if you want a source you might as well not be on this forum because most of every thing we talk about is heard via the media , realistically its only hear say , so if you want facts ring the club and see if they tell you every thing that happens in trade week , i dont think you will get very far


SAINTS FOR EVER
Stillwaiting
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4432
Joined: Sun 25 May 2008 5:39pm

Post: # 857016Post Stillwaiting »

Eastern wrote:I don't know where people get this pick 25 (not 26) from. Collingwood's first pick is #30. I don't go for the story that Collingwood were going to trade with Nth Melb for it. THEY DIDN'T, therefore they DIDN'T HAVE IT TO TRADE WITH !!
Correct, and whats not mentioned in the whining from the filth is that they tries to get pick 26 from north but again could not come up with a deal. Seems to happen to them more than other clubs


I love this club
User avatar
Armoooo
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7281
Joined: Sun 26 Nov 2006 2:28pm
Location: The Great South East
Contact:

Post: # 857018Post Armoooo »

Stillwaiting wrote:
Eastern wrote:I don't know where people get this pick 25 (not 26) from. Collingwood's first pick is #30. I don't go for the story that Collingwood were going to trade with Nth Melb for it. THEY DIDN'T, therefore they DIDN'T HAVE IT TO TRADE WITH !!
Correct, and whats not mentioned in the whining from the filth is that they tries to get pick 26 from north but again could not come up with a deal. Seems to happen to them more than other clubs
I'm not sure if it was supposed to be pick 25 or 26.

However I'm pretty sure it went like this.

St Kilda tell collingwood they will trade Ball for a pick that can secure them Everitt.

Collingwood offer Wellingham and pick 30 for 21 to North

North decline, offer pick 25 (or 26) in return

Collingwood run this past St Kilda, they say no.


ROBERT HARVEY A.K.A The Great Man, Banger, Harves, Ol' Man River...
384 games, 4 B&F's, 3 EJ Whitten Medals, St.Kilda Captain, 2 Time Brownlow Medalist, 8 Time All Australian, 2nd Highest Brownlow votes poller.... The greatest of ALL TIME!!
User avatar
yipper
SS Life Member
Posts: 3967
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 8:18am
Location: Gippsland
Been thanked: 10 times

Post: # 857020Post yipper »

Armoooo wrote:
Stillwaiting wrote:
Eastern wrote:I don't know where people get this pick 25 (not 26) from. Collingwood's first pick is #30. I don't go for the story that Collingwood were going to trade with Nth Melb for it. THEY DIDN'T, therefore they DIDN'T HAVE IT TO TRADE WITH !!
Correct, and whats not mentioned in the whining from the filth is that they tries to get pick 26 from north but again could not come up with a deal. Seems to happen to them more than other clubs
I'm not sure if it was supposed to be pick 25 or 26.

However I'm pretty sure it went like this.

St Kilda tell collingwood they will trade Ball for a pick that can secure them Everitt.

Collingwood offer Wellingham and pick 30 for 21 to North

North decline, offer pick 25 (or 26) in return

Collingwood run this past St Kilda, they say no.
Probably cos pick 25 or 26 would not secure Everitt.


I want to stand for something. I'm a loyal person and I think at the end of my career it will be great to look back and know that I'm a St Kilda person for life.
- Nick Riewoldt. May 19th 2009.
User avatar
Eastern
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 14357
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
Location: 3132
Been thanked: 1 time

Post: # 857021Post Eastern »

Armoooo wrote:
Stillwaiting wrote:
Eastern wrote:I don't know where people get this pick 25 (not 26) from. Collingwood's first pick is #30. I don't go for the story that Collingwood were going to trade with Nth Melb for it. THEY DIDN'T, therefore they DIDN'T HAVE IT TO TRADE WITH !!
Correct, and whats not mentioned in the whining from the filth is that they tries to get pick 26 from north but again could not come up with a deal. Seems to happen to them more than other clubs
I'm not sure if it was supposed to be pick 25 or 26.

However I'm pretty sure it went like this.

St Kilda tell collingwood they will trade Ball for a pick that can secure them Everitt.

Collingwood offer Wellingham and pick 30 for 21 to North

North decline, offer pick 25 (or 26) in return

Collingwood run this past St Kilda, they say no.
Because St Kilda were dealing in "Good Faith" with the Bulldogs. The Bulldogs said #21 for Everett, nothing less. #25 or #26 was never going to get that deal done so NO DEAL. Collingwood knew that !!


NEW scarf signature (hopefully with correct spelling) will be here as soon as it arrives !!

Image
User avatar
markp
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 15583
Joined: Mon 26 Mar 2007 4:22pm
Has thanked: 63 times
Been thanked: 82 times

Post: # 857026Post markp »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Melbourne willing to use pick 18 to get Ball if he is willing?

Doesn't this prove the filth were trying to shaft us?

What we have to 'show' is something far less easily quantified than money or draft picks, but much more valuable.


Stillwaiting
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4432
Joined: Sun 25 May 2008 5:39pm

Post: # 857027Post Stillwaiting »

Eastern wrote:
Armoooo wrote:
Stillwaiting wrote:
Eastern wrote:I don't know where people get this pick 25 (not 26) from. Collingwood's first pick is #30. I don't go for the story that Collingwood were going to trade with Nth Melb for it. THEY DIDN'T, therefore they DIDN'T HAVE IT TO TRADE WITH !!
Correct, and whats not mentioned in the whining from the filth is that they tries to get pick 26 from north but again could not come up with a deal. Seems to happen to them more than other clubs
I'm not sure if it was supposed to be pick 25 or 26.

However I'm pretty sure it went like this.

St Kilda tell collingwood they will trade Ball for a pick that can secure them Everitt.

Collingwood offer Wellingham and pick 30 for 21 to North

North decline, offer pick 25 (or 26) in return

Collingwood run this past St Kilda, they say no.
Because St Kilda were dealing in "Good Faith" with the Bulldogs. The Bulldogs said #21 for Everett, nothing less. #25 or #26 was never going to get that deal done so NO DEAL. Collingwood knew that !!
Lyon said this after in his press conference. Thanked Essendon and Freo for dealing in good faith, to me that was aimed at eddiewoods inability to deal with other clubs reasonably. Want it all and will give nothing in return


I love this club
User avatar
saintlee
Club Player
Posts: 1331
Joined: Mon 26 Mar 2007 12:57pm
Location: Melbourne

Post: # 857028Post saintlee »

Getting nothing for Ball sucks big time.....but the decision to not trade him to Collingwood was based on principle, which I support....their offer was total inadequate and they knew it


User avatar
Moccha
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4528
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 3:33pm
Location: Two Pronged Attack
Contact:

Post: # 857033Post Moccha »

It will be interesting to see Armitage go head to head with Ball. I think he'll acquit himself very well. They're about the same speed, as hard although Armo is a longer kick and can kick a goal which was Balls major issue.


Another opportunity awaits!
S.A Saint
Club Player
Posts: 1130
Joined: Thu 10 May 2007 6:21pm

Post: # 857035Post S.A Saint »

Moccha wrote:It will be interesting to see Armitage go head to head with Ball. I think he'll acquit himself very well. They're about the same speed, as hard although Armo is a longer kick and can kick a goal which was Balls major issue.
when they are head to head watch armo rough him up all game...have a look at the hawks game with armo and hodge..i love the fact that he doesn't take s*** from anyone and get stuck into everyone....


User avatar
St. Luke
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5268
Joined: Wed 17 Mar 2004 12:34pm
Location: Hiding at Telstra Dome!

Post: # 857036Post St. Luke »

The only one who'll have "nothing to show" at the end of his career will be Ball. It's such a ridiculous waste going to the Tigers! Unbelievable!! :roll:

I could almost understand Collingwood (almost), but certainly not Melbourne or the Tigers.


When they created LENNY HAYES (in the shadow of Harvs) they forgot to break the mold (again)- hence the Supremely Incredible Jack Steven!!
Post Reply