Yeah but we haven't got a balding guy in the team and Geelong have plenty perhaps we can on trade him for one their bald guys and by-pass the receeding straight to clean head.There is no way IF we get rid of Ball we're getting a hack like Fraser in return...
Luke Ball - The Age vs The Sun
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4914
- Joined: Fri 05 Jun 2009 3:05pm
- Has thanked: 335 times
- Been thanked: 481 times
Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?Johnny Utah wrote:& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
You're right, on second thoughts that average to (possibly) above average game makes him a superstar, and definitely makes up for all those other insipid efforts he has put in during his career. Let's trade Riewoldt (who always slaughters the pies - and most other teams) for Fraser b/c he played ok in the 02 GF.
- ace
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10744
- Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 30 times
- Been thanked: 822 times
Moods wrote:So we're now critiquing our potential recruits on the amount of brownlow votes they have received in their career?ace wrote:
He was no 1 draft pick in 1999 but has only gathered 31 brownlow votes, kicked 151 goals from 191 games.
Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick.
His 2 x 3 votes this year came against Melbourne Rnd 2 and Essendon Rnd 14.
Gardiner and King both have 30 brownlow votes.
Gardiner was No1 pick in 1996 and King a compensatory No 3 early pick at the 1995 crop.
Both drafts were compromised by Port Adelaide and Fremantle zones.
I think McEvoy and Stanley should be our backup rucks until King and Gardiner are done.
They have both shown potential.
Stanley could be a great mobile ruckman and McEvoy could develop into more solid ruckman.![]()
![]()
I'm not suggesting we should go for Fraser either, but I can come up with better reasons than the amount of brownlow votes he has received.
Corey Enright must be a dud b/c he didn't receive any brownlow votes this year.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that despite having had reasonable careers and been under the umpires noses, all 3 ruckman have not lived up to their top 3 selection like Riewoldt, Judd, & Cooney have.
I simply offer brownlow votes as the only independent and undisputable fact available.
I would rather use the only fact than get into an opinion squabble that can not be settled.
Last edited by ace on Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:03pm, edited 1 time in total.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6656
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:24pm
- Location: Hotel Bastardos
- Has thanked: 198 times
- Been thanked: 166 times
- Contact:
Nah, little johnny is refering to this years Grand Final. Josh stood up when they played the National Anthem. One of his better performances at the MCG actually.Moods wrote:Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?Johnny Utah wrote:& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
You're right, on second thoughts that average to (possibly) above average game makes him a superstar, and definitely makes up for all those other insipid efforts he has put in during his career. Let's trade Riewoldt (who always slaughters the pies - and most other teams) for Fraser b/c he played ok in the 02 GF.
*Allegedly.
Bring back Lucky Burgers, and nobody gets hurt.
You can't un-fry things.
Last Post
Bring back Lucky Burgers, and nobody gets hurt.
You can't un-fry things.
Last Post
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4432
- Joined: Sun 25 May 2008 5:39pm
If we have to loose Bally, then thats a bloddy good deal for us, but not likelyTeflon wrote:where do I sign.Richter wrote:You're probably right (re Fraser as a ruckman).....
However, if the Ball rumour (to pies) is true, as well as Jolly to the pies from Sydney, then perhaps a 3-way with Port could be on the cards.....
Pies get: Ball
Saints get: Burgoyne
Port get: pick 16 (Saints), Fraser
-----------------
Except that reports have it that Burgoyne wants the Hawks or bust....
I love this club
- saintnick12
- Club Player
- Posts: 1877
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2009 2:08pm
Don't know how this quote of me now has me saying "You are a complete idiot". A look back at my original post will show that I didn't say that.lennstar wrote:saintnick12 wrote:you are a complete idiotJohnny Utah wrote:& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
Harsh!!
Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I am not into abusing people...
- Johnny Utah
- Club Player
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon 24 Aug 2009 11:24pm
- saintnick12
- Club Player
- Posts: 1877
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2009 2:08pm
Ripped apart is ridiculous. While he wasn't a match winner, he still had an impact on the game, mostly drawing three defenders to himself. This allowed our smalls more space, which they unfortunately didn't capitalise on.Johnny Utah wrote:Kicked 3 goals in the 02 GF (3 / 8). Riewoldt got ripped apart by Geelong's 4th best defender.Moods wrote:
Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?
Josh may have had a great game in the 2002 GF (its so long ago, I don't remember, so will take your word for it). Fact is, it didn't change the result. They still lost, as did we.
- Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12775
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 785 times
- Been thanked: 425 times
Go back to worshipping Didak - that's more your style.Johnny Utah wrote:Kicked 3 goals in the 02 GF (3 / 8). Riewoldt got ripped apart by Geelong's 4th best defender.Moods wrote:
Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?
Better still, go back to playing 'hide-the-soap' with Joffa in the shower.
I'm sure nobody here appreciates your football intellect as much as your brethren at Collingfilth would.
The facts are that if you put Joshy on the trade table you'd have to include another player to sweeten the deal up for anybody to offer even a late 6th round draft pick in return.
- Johnny Utah
- Club Player
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon 24 Aug 2009 11:24pm
- saintnick12
- Club Player
- Posts: 1877
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2009 2:08pm
Love it...saint75 wrote:Johnny Utah wrote:Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.saintnick12 wrote:
Ripped apart is ridiculous.
Surely Johnny is not a saints supporter.
Last edited by saintnick12 on Mon 05 Oct 2009 1:33pm, edited 1 time in total.
Dont want that softc@ck b!tchslap fraser anywhere near our club.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
I'm sorry, that was me. I don't know how that happened.saintnick12 wrote:Don't know how this quote of me now has me saying "You are a complete idiot". A look back at my original post will show that I didn't say that.lennstar wrote:saintnick12 wrote:you are a complete idiotJohnny Utah wrote:& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
Harsh!!
Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I am not into abusing people...
Emotion got the better of me, I prefer not to get personal too....but it was my first reaction to a stupid statement.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6656
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:24pm
- Location: Hotel Bastardos
- Has thanked: 198 times
- Been thanked: 166 times
- Contact:
More likely lenient sentencing!Moccha wrote:School holidays hey!Johnny Utah wrote:Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.saintnick12 wrote:
Ripped apart is ridiculous.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
*Allegedly.
Bring back Lucky Burgers, and nobody gets hurt.
You can't un-fry things.
Last Post
Bring back Lucky Burgers, and nobody gets hurt.
You can't un-fry things.
Last Post
- saintnick12
- Club Player
- Posts: 1877
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2009 2:08pm
I've got no problem with you saying it Lennstar. Its just the way you quoted it makes it look like I said it, thats all....lol...lennstar wrote:I'm sorry, that was me. I don't know how that happened.saintnick12 wrote:Don't know how this quote of me now has me saying "You are a complete idiot". A look back at my original post will show that I didn't say that.lennstar wrote:saintnick12 wrote:you are a complete idiotJohnny Utah wrote:& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
Harsh!!
Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I am not into abusing people...
Emotion got the better of me, I prefer not to get personal too....but it was my first reaction to a stupid statement.