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Whisper doing the rounds atm...

Post: # 839947Post True Blue Sainter »

Is that we are offering Luke Ball & pick 16 for Shaun Burgoyne...

According to SEN, is in a Herald Sun article for today!


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Post: # 839949Post The OtherThommo »

I reckon theres no chance we'd offer Ball and pick 16 for Burgoyne.

Why would we? The Burgers 27, Ball just played (well) in a GF, and we want to use our 3-4 picks in the ND.

Besides, Lenny needs ongoing help in the in and under capacity.

We don't have a plethora of inside players.


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Post: # 839950Post True Blue Sainter »

We got a couple of young in-and-under kids coming through - Armo & Steven say hello. But I don't think personally that this rumour is true... I think at most we'd offer pick 16...

Having said that, Burgoyne is a player who I would love to have here! If we can get him fully fit, would be a magnificent acquisition


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Post: # 839951Post matrix »

what absolute stupidity

ballys going nowhere


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Post: # 839952Post Moods »

Bally has to agree to terms with the club first. If he agrees to the contract offered to him, then you're probably right, he will stay. The club would be happy to keep Bally on their terms for sure. If Bally isn't happy with the offer then I reckon they would be saying you're welcome to look elsewhere.

To say Bally isn't going anywhere makes no sense to me. Who says Bally wants to stay on the terms being offered to him? Who says the club is prepared to revise up their offer if bally isn't happy? The 46% game time in the GF was hardly a ringing endorsement from the match committee in their confidence in Bally.

I reckon if the deal was right, the club will trade Luke Ball. The deal would have to be exceptional though. To me, Shaun Burgoyne is an exceptional deal though.


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Post: # 839953Post CaptainRiewoldt »

Whats with all this BALLY BASHING??? he is a gun!!!!

Do we want to win 2010 flag??

Get Lovett great runner what we need get him for pick 16 thats all. Win back to back flags then i dont care


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Post: # 839959Post Saint Mik »

It is in the herald sun today Ball and 16 on the table but will be knocked back by Port


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Post: # 839960Post groupie1 »

If it's in the Herald-Sun it must be true.


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Post: # 839968Post bigred »

great trade for Port Adelaide... :shock:

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Post: # 839969Post Thinline »

CaptainReiwoldt wrote:Whats with all this BALLY BASHING??? he is a gun!!!!

Do we want to win 2010 flag??

Get Lovett great runner what we need get him for pick 16 thats all. Win back to back flags then i dont care
130 odd posts and you still can't spell the captain's name right, mate.

Fix it FFS.


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Post: # 839980Post sax »

It wont happen. Burgoyne's told Port he'll play hardball.
If they don't get him to the club HE wants, he'll take his chances in the PSD!


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Post: # 839998Post Stephen Theodore »

Thinline wrote:
130 odd posts and you still can't spell the captain's name right, mate.


Agreed


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Post: # 840005Post AnythingsPossibleSaints »

The article sounded like it was "official" as they put it. If so and Port will reject it, we may need to up the ante.


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Post: # 840007Post Animal Enclosure »

With Burgoyne in:

BJ can play forward.

Armo/Steven get their chances with serious midfield minutes.

We get a silky smooth mid who covers the ground beautifully & delivers the pill lace out.

I love Bally but I'd take this one in a heartbeat.


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Post: # 840008Post Teflon »

anyone got alink to the article?


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Post: # 840009Post Beej »

If Port Adelaide were keen to do it and Ross Lyon was fair dinkum with his "no sentiment in football" line then he'd have to take it.

As good and as great a clubman as Bally is, a player with his skill-set are a dime a dozen.

Burgoyne at his best is one of the top 10 footballers in the comp. Size, power, pace, beautiful skills and was reported to be Mark Williams' choice to captain Port this year. If we're looking for a player to roam from midfield to half-forward and chip in with a few goals, he would be perfect.

Don't see it happening though.


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Post: # 840014Post AnythingsPossibleSaints »

We could make it happen.
The part about this offer is at the bottom of this article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/p ... 5782324014


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Post: # 840090Post Munga »

All these trade rumours seem to shaft the saints pretty badly!
Shaun has a bung knee from what I hear.


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Post: # 840092Post matrix »

we dont want him
trust me
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Post: # 840097Post Moccha »

matrixcutter wrote:we dont want him
trust me
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Post: # 840098Post thirty-seven!? »

I dont like it - is is way too expensive for a 28 yo mid with dodgy knees and who doesnt even want to play for the Saints...

Whilst he would be fantastic in our team, i feel that he is simply too expensive to get.

Also, for those labelling Burgoyne as a pure outside mid, he is actually far from it. In 2008 he finished fourth in the club best and fairest and was second at the club in centre clearances, tackles and inside 50s, and fourth in goals (23), contested possessions and bounces.

From the AFL prospectus: "His strength is his work in tight, consistently ranking high in clearances, hard-ball gets and tackles, but he must win more uncontested possessions to match it with the AFL's best midfielders such as Gary Ablett"

So no disputing his quality as a player, but i dont think he is worth Ball and our first pick (remembering we will still get some quality with this selection)...


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Post: # 840108Post matrix »

mild

good player....someone already mentioned the prob, nothing major but not for huge sums he'd be asking


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Post: # 840114Post older saint »

obviously his knees are a question but there seems to be som eserious overrating of Ball's ability in the last 12 months.
Remember he was playing 2's for part of the year.
Great servant of the club but if port said yes StKilda would be crazy not to take it.


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Post: # 840124Post xander »

I'm not sure if they'd take that... we'd probably have to add something else to it. But if he is completely healthy and wanted to play for us i'd make that trade.


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Post: # 840149Post SydneySainter »

The rumour I heard was that Ball was on close $600,000 a year and there is no way he'll get that with his new contract on offer.

If Ball is happy to take quite a substantial pay cut, than he will stay, but that's a big if.


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