I agree. All right.rodgerfox wrote:Absolutely.matrixcutter wrote:schneides kicks 4 goal 1 and we wouldnt even be talking about it
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But since he missed.....Lyon cocked it up.rodgerfox wrote:Absolutely.matrixcutter wrote:schneides kicks 4 goal 1 and we wouldnt even be talking about it
Where did I say he was perfect, I was highlighting the fact that you have not brought to our attention anything that we didn't already know from Ross himself...rodgerfox wrote:Oh dear.SainterK wrote:Oh but I did, you had these revelations prior to Ross...you just allowed him ample time to come clean before you felt compelled to share them with us?rodgerfox wrote:SainterK wrote:So I was correct to assume that the only part of your post that was your own opinion, is related to selection issues?rodgerfox wrote:There were a couple of guys who were oddly 'first picked' each year that on GF showed why their selection was questioned throughout the year.SainterK wrote:
Of course they were....
Some of 'Lyon's favourites' didn't cut it and it was an error to pick them.
Everything else you mentioned is not opinion, it is self confessed musings from Ross Lyon himself.
So why not just say "I had issues with such and such selections" ?
I don't think you read my post.
Again, sorry. I forgot where I was.
I love Ross Lyon. He is perfect.
Spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bigred wrote:But since he missed.....Lyon cocked it up.rodgerfox wrote:Absolutely.matrixcutter wrote:schneides kicks 4 goal 1 and we wouldnt even be talking about it
err cough cough..I thought Schneids was a selection mistake favourite that should not have played.rodgerfox wrote:Absolutely.matrixcutter wrote:schneides kicks 4 goal 1 and we wouldnt even be talking about it
Don't expect to much SRS, he has already skulked out of here....and not answered either of ussaintsRrising wrote:err cough cough..I thought Schneids was a selection mistake favourite that should not have played.rodgerfox wrote:Absolutely.matrixcutter wrote:schneides kicks 4 goal 1 and we wouldnt even be talking about it
I note that you are "careful" to not actually state who should not have played...and who should of...
There's no need for this to turn feral.matrixcutter wrote:here we go............
This.Lyon coached a team to a plan that worked. The players did not ice the cake.
1- he didn't perform? Hmm, we lost the last final by a kick. Won the other 2. Yes: definite fail.rodgerfox wrote:There's no need for this to turn feral.matrixcutter wrote:here we go............
No need at all.
If people get some perspective, then there is no need whatsoever for this to escalate.
I doubt it will happen though. And I doubt SrR wants it to happen, otherwise a thread so laiden with bait as juicy as the title and OP would never have been created.
Lyon made errors on the day. He panicked when it got hot. So did some players. Doesn't mean he's a bad coach, doesn't mean he should be sacked, doesn't mean I 'hate' him.
It also doesn't mean he is great. It means he had a very good year as a coach, but didn't perform in the finals.
As I pointed out earlier in the year though, I felt he was relying on Roo to win us games.
During the finals to me, this was very evident. And a concern.
His comments post-GF suggest that he tried that trick one too many times and it cost us dearly.
It wasn't the defining moment. Nor was Schneider's miss in the 1st quarter, nor was the non-free to Milne followed by the free and 50m penalty to Ablett.
However in a GF, when you make as many errors as we did (in the box and on the park) you cannot realisitically expect to win.
Having said that, we nearly did. We f***ed up big time really - yet nearly won.
There's no need to panic at all. We're good enough. We, as supporters, don't need to sit back for the next 6 months and cross our fingers that we'll find an extra 20% improvement from somewhere.
We need to improve in the box, and we need to improve above the shoulders.
They are the areas that cost us.
As for selection, I haven't mentioned players specifically because I don't think it's fair. I rarely pot individual players. And after a GF loss, I hardly think it's ideal to be saying that guys shouldn't have played.
But clearly, you don't need to be Einstein to know that some players who were being picked all year that had people scratching their heads - in the end didn't deliver when it counted.
I commented that Lyon's mistakes would be realised if we suffered injuries. As usual, some people jumped all over it without thinking logically about what was meant. To be fair, quite a few logical people knew exactly what I meant.
The point was, that when everything is going your way it looks easy and everything appears to be perfect. In reality though, your decisions aren't tested until they're put under the microscope.
Losing players to injury, or a Grand Final are a pretty decent microscope.
And in this case, there were some things that were highlighted. Selections weren't right, some players heads weren't right, and our tactics were flimsy.
Now don't get me wrong, alot of things were very well done from the box. But to come out and declare that we should idolise a guy and start putting nude pictures of him up in our bedrooms, after he just made crucial mistakes in the biggest game in the club's recent history - to me lacks logic and perspective, and reeks of immaturity.
Now let me point out a few things...rodgerfox wrote:There's no need for this to turn feral.matrixcutter wrote:here we go............
No need at all.
If people get some perspective, then there is no need whatsoever for this to escalate.
I doubt it will happen though. And I doubt SrR wants it to happen, otherwise a thread so laiden with bait as juicy as the title and OP would never have been created.
Lyon made errors on the day. He panicked when it got hot. So did some players. Doesn't mean he's a bad coach, doesn't mean he should be sacked, doesn't mean I 'hate' him.
It also doesn't mean he is great. It means he had a very good year as a coach, but didn't perform in the finals.
As I pointed out earlier in the year though, I felt he was relying on Roo to win us games.
During the finals to me, this was very evident. And a concern.
His comments post-GF suggest that he tried that trick one too many times and it cost us dearly.
It wasn't the defining moment. Nor was Schneider's miss in the 1st quarter, nor was the non-free to Milne followed by the free and 50m penalty to Ablett.
However in a GF, when you make as many errors as we did (in the box and on the park) you cannot realisitically expect to win.
Having said that, we nearly did. We f***ed up big time really - yet nearly won.
There's no need to panic at all. We're good enough. We, as supporters, don't need to sit back for the next 6 months and cross our fingers that we'll find an extra 20% improvement from somewhere.
We need to improve in the box, and we need to improve above the shoulders.
They are the areas that cost us.
As for selection, I haven't mentioned players specifically because I don't think it's fair. I rarely pot individual players. And after a GF loss, I hardly think it's ideal to be saying that guys shouldn't have played.
But clearly, you don't need to be Einstein to know that some players who were being picked all year that had people scratching their heads - in the end didn't deliver when it counted.
I commented that Lyon's mistakes would be realised if we suffered injuries. As usual, some people jumped all over it without thinking logically about what was meant. To be fair, quite a few logical people knew exactly what I meant.
The point was, that when everything is going your way it looks easy and everything appears to be perfect. In reality though, your decisions aren't tested until they're put under the microscope.
Losing players to injury, or a Grand Final are a pretty decent microscope.
And in this case, there were some things that were highlighted. Selections weren't right, some players heads weren't right, and our tactics were flimsy.
Now don't get me wrong, alot of things were very well done from the box. But to come out and declare that we should idolise a guy and start putting nude pictures of him up in our bedrooms, after he just made crucial mistakes in the biggest game in the club's recent history - to me lacks logic and perspective, and reeks of immaturity.
No..not a big part..just pointing out your bagging of Lyon is ridiculous.rodgerfox wrote:You're not saying that luck played a big part are you?saintsRrising wrote:If Zac Dawsons spoil had gone virtually anywhere else there most likely would have been an extra bit of Saintly Silverware ......
And that sums up RF posts in a nutshell.SainterK wrote:
I am beginning to understand how much you love the little role you play on here, and can see that you feel quite clever about it. However, what is evident to me, is when you sift through the big words and lovely grammar, you don't really say anything after all.