Steven King?

saintrod · Post: # 839267Post **saintrod** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:04am

I know he is out of contract and there is talk that he will sign a one year deal.

I also understand the argument for having another experienced ruck on our books given that Gardiner is injury prone and our backups are two developing rucks in McEvoy and Stanley.

But the real question is are there better options than King available to fill the role as an experienced ruck. We also have Maguire who could be used as a player to obtain a good but not great experienced ruck.

I thought King's form in the second half of the season was quite poor and very little different to McEvov overall ie King was better at hitouts but McEvoy was better around the ground.

I would have thought a player like Jamar for example who IMO beat our guys when we played Melbourne and is younger might be a better option ie he has just turned 26.

There are probably other options around as well but the bottom line is I am not convinced that King is our best option next year as an experienced ruck.

IMO his form is not going to better next year and probably worse and if this is the case I don't know why we would want him on our list.

GrumpyOne · Post: # 839269Post **GrumpyOne** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:07am

We get a ruck coach and a player for the one salary.

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:24am

That's true, but he doesn't have a lot else going for him.
When I heard a few weeks ago that we were "keen to sign him up again for next year" I was wondering why on Earth we'd be rushing to do that. Surely he'd only be back-up to Gardi and Mac. He's been a bit like a statue once the ruck contests are over lately and is not likely to be less so next year. Meanwhile, the guys in the ruck in other teams are getting more mobile.
I also thought about the prospect of getting someone from another club, to have as back-up to Gardi and Mac, although they might not be keen to do that.
If we get Fev it may mean King is pushed out, because Kosi would then be able to take over, if Gardi or Mac missed games.

bigred · Post: # 839286Post **bigred** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:27am

2009 will be super valuable for Macca.

King WAS pretty average in the second half of the season...

fingers · Post: # 839290Post **fingers** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:32am

I think you wilm find that we will get him very cheap and he will be a back up for McEvoy. King may only play 6-10 games but will have lots to teach Ben.

chook23 · Post: # 839291Post **chook23** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:33am

Could be the one season to long if continues in 2010........

hard call by player list management.

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:35am

fingers wrote:I think you will find that we will get him very cheap and he will be a back up for McEvoy. King may only play 6-10 games but will have lots to teach Ben.

So he gets to teach the guy who's keeping him out of the team? I like it!

JABBER · Post: # 839303Post **JABBER** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 11:42am

give him one more year played on when his shoulder pop out

skeptic · Post: # 839332Post **skeptic** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 12:16pm

meh, look for King to stay on the list as back up, McEvoy will play 10-12 games, Stanley may get a taste, King will play the rest.

no dramas for mine

bigred · Post: # 839337Post **bigred** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 12:25pm

Gardy will be #1.

Macca should be #2 and really be pushing to play every game.
That is if he is the genuine next ruckman.

Stanley should be looking for game time this year no doubt. 5+ games and the injury backup.

King is a concern imo. He is a valueable commodity due to his experience and assistance for these younger blokes, but with that said, you dont want him holding back the future. GOOD rucks are rare as a backbone at Richmond.

mad saint guy · Fri 02 Oct 2009 1:33pm

King is insurance. He's got a massive frame that can take a beating which would cripple McEvoy or Stanley. He doesn't do much aroud the groud but he is a physical presence and will at least give our mids a chance to win the contested ball.

I actually like having Gards as number one and McEvoy as backup but wouldn't want Mac going in as number one against Sandilands/McIntosh/Jolly. We would get seriously thrashed in the hitouts and could result in long term injury problems for the kids.

saintsRrising · Fri 02 Oct 2009 1:33pm

saintrod wrote:I know he is out of contract and there is talk that he will sign a one year deal.

t.

I think he has already re-signed...along with Gardi.

battye · Post: # 839636Post **battye** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 6:21pm

King is important.

To be honest, I don't want our list (I mean, anyone that played a game this year) to change too much. I think we can definitely win the premiership next year with the same group we used this year (plus a few more depending on what RL thinks is necessary in trade week / draft week).

Obviously Max is the exception as he has retired.

Eastern · Post: # 839652Post **Eastern** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 6:32pm

GrumpyOne wrote:We get a ruck coach and a player for the one salary.

Exactly.

Played the 2nd 1/2 of the year with a very dodgy shoulder. I see 2010 as being a year of transition from Kingy to Ben. The thought of Rhys Stanley getting 1-2 games is also an option that will be good for his/our ruck stocks /development !!

st_Trav_ofWA · Fri 02 Oct 2009 7:36pm

dont be too quick to write him off .. King still has a lot of value left his second half of the year wasnt the best but that was after his shoulder got injured (just ask LorisWA she remembers the day well especially the footage of big kingy with his shirt off on the side lines )

oh when · Post: # 839688Post **oh when** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 7:38pm

I also thought he had re-signed about six weeks ago.

Eastern · Post: # 839707Post **Eastern** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 8:06pm

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:dont be too quick to write him off .. (just ask LorisWA she remembers the day well especially the footage of big kingy with his shirt off on the side lines )

Has she recovered yet ?

!!

squiz · Post: # 839710Post **squiz** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 8:13pm

King is insurance
But even at Geelong he could not take a mark
if his life depended on it.

Eastern · Post: # 839711Post **Eastern** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 8:14pm

squiz wrote:King is insurance
But even at Geelong he could not take a mark
if his life depended on it.

What about that "Screamer" he took over the goal umpire? !!

GrumpyOne · Post: # 839729Post **GrumpyOne** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 8:39pm

Eastern wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:dont be too quick to write him off .. (just ask LorisWA she remembers the day well especially the footage of big kingy with his shirt off on the side lines )
Has she recovered yet ? !!

Almost had a stroke.

Thinline · Post: # 839737Post **Thinline** » Fri 02 Oct 2009 9:02pm

There was a moment in the GF late where someone scrambled the ball inside 50 and but for a millisecond or an ounce of luck Kingy would have been putting us in front with a set shot 30 metres out 45 degrees...

Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

It was one of those 's*** I marked it, no I didn't, s*** I still can, f*** it' sort caught-me-by-surprise ones that happen from time to time in heavily contested situations...

groupie1 · Post: # 839971Post **groupie1** » Sat 03 Oct 2009 8:18am

Need to keep King to support Gards and McEvoy, who will rightly be one and two. Gards will get injuries, McEvoy will need spells every 5-6 weeks.

Only change to that is if we get Fev, meaning Kozi back in the ruck. In which case gently nudging King into retirement would be the only way to go.

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