Eddy and Contested Possessions
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Eddy and Contested Possessions
Contested possessions are all the rage and I reckon that's why Eddy's in the side.
From the Melbourne game, here's contested possessions, uncontested possessions and the percentage of possessions which are contested:
Eddy,R: 7/6 = 53.85%
Baker,S: 8/8 = 50.00%
Koschitzke,J: 7/7 = 50.00%
Riewoldt,N: 7/8 = 46.67%
Gilbert,S: 10/13 = 43.48%
McEvoy,B: 3/4 = 42.86%
McQualter,A: 6/11 = 35.29%
Montagna,L: 11/21 = 34.38%
Milne,S: 9/19 = 32.14%
King,S: 5/13 = 27.78%
Dal Santo,N: 10/28 = 26.32%
Dawson,Z: 4/12 = 25.00%
Dempster,S: 3/9 = 25.00%
Clarke,R: 3/10 = 23.08%
Hayes,L: 8/29 = 21.62%
Goddard,B: 6/22 = 21.43%
Ray,F: 6/22 = 21.43%
Jones,C: 3/16 = 15.79%
Fisher,S: 4/25 = 13.79%
Blake,J: 2/16 = 11.11%
Gram,J: 2/32 = 5.88%
Schneider,A: 0/6 = 0.00%
One way to read these stats is that Eddy is the one going in hardest. I reckon you could make a case for that today.
The other way to read them is that he never ends up in the right positions to get uncontested possessions, as Fisher or Gram do, for instance.
Which is it?
From the Melbourne game, here's contested possessions, uncontested possessions and the percentage of possessions which are contested:
Eddy,R: 7/6 = 53.85%
Baker,S: 8/8 = 50.00%
Koschitzke,J: 7/7 = 50.00%
Riewoldt,N: 7/8 = 46.67%
Gilbert,S: 10/13 = 43.48%
McEvoy,B: 3/4 = 42.86%
McQualter,A: 6/11 = 35.29%
Montagna,L: 11/21 = 34.38%
Milne,S: 9/19 = 32.14%
King,S: 5/13 = 27.78%
Dal Santo,N: 10/28 = 26.32%
Dawson,Z: 4/12 = 25.00%
Dempster,S: 3/9 = 25.00%
Clarke,R: 3/10 = 23.08%
Hayes,L: 8/29 = 21.62%
Goddard,B: 6/22 = 21.43%
Ray,F: 6/22 = 21.43%
Jones,C: 3/16 = 15.79%
Fisher,S: 4/25 = 13.79%
Blake,J: 2/16 = 11.11%
Gram,J: 2/32 = 5.88%
Schneider,A: 0/6 = 0.00%
One way to read these stats is that Eddy is the one going in hardest. I reckon you could make a case for that today.
The other way to read them is that he never ends up in the right positions to get uncontested possessions, as Fisher or Gram do, for instance.
Which is it?
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These stats can't be compared with the players who didn't play for the Saints today who are challenging Eddy for his spot. I would say that both Ball and Armo are certaintly capable of achieving 54% of contested possessions. Especially given the type of aggressive, in and under players that they are. This is not the reason that Eddy is in the team surely??
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I think the % is a red herring. If Eddy's job was to get contested possessions, he went so-so: 7 is a reasonable, but not spectacular, haul for a guy playing in the forward half of the ground.
Eddy rightly does not seek uncontested ball and his team mates likewise try to avoid giving it to him. He is a poor kick: lots of elevation, not much aim.
Eddy rightly does not seek uncontested ball and his team mates likewise try to avoid giving it to him. He is a poor kick: lots of elevation, not much aim.
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I'm not quite willing to write him off yet. I think he still has a way to go, but he has a number of attributes which form a good base. He is young and still does not have a great deal of confidence. He is a god runner and tackler. His skills are OK most of the time but poor under real pressure. But he is not alone in that regard. This may not be his year, but if he is our worst player, it explains why we are 20-2. I can tell you that in the 80s he would have been one of the first picked, which explains why we were 2-20 in those days.
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Haperfectionist wrote:I'm not quite willing to write him off yet. I think he still has a way to go, but he has a number of attributes which form a good base. He is young and still does not have a great deal of confidence. He is a god runner and tackler. His skills are OK most of the time but poor under real pressure. But he is not alone in that regard. This may not be his year, but if he is our worst player, it explains why we are 20-2. I can tell you that in the 80s he would have been one of the first picked, which explains why we were 2-20 in those days.
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'God' runner is a bit over the topperfectionist wrote:I'm not quite willing to write him off yet. I think he still has a way to go, but he has a number of attributes which form a good base. He is young and still does not have a great deal of confidence. He is a [color=red]god[/color] runner and tackler. His skills are OK most of the time but poor under real pressure. But he is not alone in that regard. This may not be his year, but if he is our worst player, it explains why we are 20-2. I can tell you that in the 80s he would have been one of the first picked, which explains why we were 2-20 in those days.
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but he could be an inclusion if we need him because of possible injuries/suspensions ... I think RL has done a great job over the past 4 weeks in creating a smokescreen and giving some of the promising 2's some experience, just in case we need them in the finals campaign.
The shock Jock journo's are sooo bl..dy susceptible - except for those who know the modern game.
Hope to see Ball pop up out of nowhere sometime during the finals.
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Re: Eddy and Contested Possessions
While Eddy may have had seven contested possessions today, he's averaging 4.5 a game for the year. That's hardly incredible. I think he's in because he plays hard, runs hard, pressures, tackles and goes in when it's his turn. We don't have a better option to play the role he does. Both Ball and Armitage have been tried in that role and haven't been as effective.bergholt wrote:Contested possessions are all the rage and I reckon that's why Eddy's in the side.
I think Eddy will continue to be selected as long as he's effective in his role and as long as we need him in that role. If RL decides we need another onballer for Collingwood, I think Eddy will be the one who makes way. If RL decides we need more size in the forward line, he'll be the one out. Right now, I'd be leaning toward no change unless injury forces a change.
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So the fact that I am loyal to Dave doesn't give me reason to voice my opinion on how I thought Eddy played today. This is the first post I have come out and ridiculed him and I am in no way wanting him to make way for Dave. He should get into the team on his own merits, but Eddy's skill level is not AFL standard. I don't care who comes in for him, I just think there are players with better skills.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:I'm going to pick you up here, you are often defensive when this kind of post is directed at someone you are loyal to...DWOODROW wrote:R u serious. By far our worst today. Does he have any clue on what is going on at AFL level. Turns it over, does stuff all
As I have said in previous posts, it is not about individuals at this time of the season but the team and what works best. Surely you can't say Eddyt is an integral part of the team. Good luck to Eddy but he needs to work on his game. AS DOES ARMO.
Not at all, just the manner in which you did so...DWOODROW wrote:So the fact that I am loyal to Dave doesn't give me reason to voice my opinion on how I thought Eddy played today. This is the first post I have come out and ridiculed him and I am in no way wanting him to make way for Dave. He should get into the team on his own merits, but Eddy's skill level is not AFL standard. I don't care who comes in for him, I just think there are players with better skills.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:I'm going to pick you up here, you are often defensive when this kind of post is directed at someone you are loyal to...DWOODROW wrote:R u serious. By far our worst today. Does he have any clue on what is going on at AFL level. Turns it over, does stuff all
As I have said in previous posts, it is not about individuals at this time of the season but the team and what works best. Surely you can't say Eddyt is an integral part of the team. Good luck to Eddy but he needs to work on his game. AS DOES ARMO.
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ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Not at all, just the manner in which you did so...DWOODROW wrote:So the fact that I am loyal to Dave doesn't give me reason to voice my opinion on how I thought Eddy played today. This is the first post I have come out and ridiculed him and I am in no way wanting him to make way for Dave. He should get into the team on his own merits, but Eddy's skill level is not AFL standard. I don't care who comes in for him, I just think there are players with better skills.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:I'm going to pick you up here, you are often defensive when this kind of post is directed at someone you are loyal to...DWOODROW wrote:R u serious. By far our worst today. Does he have any clue on what is going on at AFL level. Turns it over, does stuff all
As I have said in previous posts, it is not about individuals at this time of the season but the team and what works best. Surely you can't say Eddyt is an integral part of the team. Good luck to Eddy but he needs to work on his game. AS DOES ARMO.
Yes I agree probably a bit harsh but can't understand how people think he played well today. I admit I havn't seen him play live or how he gets himself into position but he needs some time to adjust and get everything working a footballer needs into his game. Next year he will come into his own. This year I thought was about the day in September everyone has been dreaming of for so long.
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No worriesDWOODROW wrote:ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Not at all, just the manner in which you did so...DWOODROW wrote:So the fact that I am loyal to Dave doesn't give me reason to voice my opinion on how I thought Eddy played today. This is the first post I have come out and ridiculed him and I am in no way wanting him to make way for Dave. He should get into the team on his own merits, but Eddy's skill level is not AFL standard. I don't care who comes in for him, I just think there are players with better skills.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:I'm going to pick you up here, you are often defensive when this kind of post is directed at someone you are loyal to...DWOODROW wrote:R u serious. By far our worst today. Does he have any clue on what is going on at AFL level. Turns it over, does stuff all
As I have said in previous posts, it is not about individuals at this time of the season but the team and what works best. Surely you can't say Eddyt is an integral part of the team. Good luck to Eddy but he needs to work on his game. AS DOES ARMO.
Yes I agree probably a bit harsh but can't understand how people think he played well today. I admit I havn't seen him play live or how he gets himself into position but he needs some time to adjust and get everything working a footballer needs into his game. Next year he will come into his own. This year I thought was about the day in September everyone has been dreaming of for so long.
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