Certain in for this week

saint patrick · Mon 17 Aug 2009 1:12am

Jack Steven ...very unlucky to not have been retained and we really missed his youthful spark and energy and run around the packs today.

With CJ and Mini to come back as well Armo and Ball in real danger of being relegated ....

The battle for places will be whitehot from here to september

Winmarvellous · Mon 17 Aug 2009 1:34am

CJ has gotta come back in. Missed his pace and tagging today.

Teflon · Post: # 797687Post **Teflon** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 1:43am

CJ/Mqualter both walk back in ahead of Jack Steven.

Why would you include Steven now when he hasnt been in our best side for all season?

Jones run, Mqualters fwd line pressure sorely missed.

FortiusQuoFidelius · Mon 17 Aug 2009 1:50am

Teflon wrote:CJ/Armo both walk back in ahead of Jack Steven.

What are you talking about?? Armo was in this week and played a piss poor game. Certain to be dropped!

Teflon · Post: # 797697Post **Teflon** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 1:56am

FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:
Teflon wrote:CJ/Armo both walk back in ahead of Jack Steven.

What are you talking about?? Armo was in this week and played a piss poor game. Certain to be dropped!

CJ/Mq.....it was a typo....I did mention Mq for the rest of the post...so I guess.....anyway its changed now so rest easy.

Con Gorozidis · Mon 17 Aug 2009 2:07am

we all love j steven and want him to be good. but we were 18 zip before he even debuted, so saying we "missed him" is a bit of a stretch

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was just one of those days. if we go in to finals 21-1 ill take it.

im already focussed on week 1 v bulldogs. the fact is the players are only human and are probably thinking the same thing ...

benengel14 · Post: # 797702Post **benengel14** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 2:08am

Bring back St Kilda A!

Give me that intensity, desperation, hunger for the ball and the man of last week, compared to some of the stuff we saw this round.

SaintWodonga · Mon 17 Aug 2009 2:17am

Winmarvellous wrote:CJ has gotta come back in. Missed his pace and tagging today.

In place of Dempster I reckon!

ausfatcat · Post: # 797708Post **ausfatcat** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 2:29am

would've been nice to have him or Baker in today to goto Jobe.

SaintWodonga · Mon 17 Aug 2009 2:34am

ausfatcat wrote:would've been nice to have him or Baker in today to goto Jobe.

Yes Jobe smashed us today. Don't know how our tackles were broken so easily either, they seemed to brush us off too easily..

Quixote · Post: # 797711Post **Quixote** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 2:37am

Jones and McQ-Gun straight back in.

Armo definately out.

I would keep Ball in favour of Dempster going, but who knows.

There is also the question of our 'lumpy' backline (Max, Zac, Blake...)

And -- is King in trouble for Big Mac??

DWOODROW · Post: # 797773Post **DWOODROW** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 9:54am

FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:
Teflon wrote:CJ/Armo both walk back in ahead of Jack Steven.

What are you talking about?? Armo was in this week and played a piss poor game. Certain to be dropped!

Yeah your right, Armo was the only one to play a piss poor game. d**khead

bergholt · Post: # 797819Post **bergholt** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 11:26am

ausfatcat wrote:would've been nice to have him or Baker in today to goto Jobe.

baker played.

Stillwaiting · Mon 17 Aug 2009 11:51am

Was Jones and McQualter injured?, or being rested

mullet · Post: # 797831Post **mullet** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 11:51am

Con Gorozidis wrote:we all love j steven and want him to be good. but we were 18 zip before he even debuted, so saying we "missed him" is a bit of a stretch .

...

I think pat said we missed his youthful spark, energy and run around packs

I agree with pat all that was missing yesterday and it would be nice to get some of that raw young enthusiasm back, whether that comes from Jack or another player it doesnt matter but we did miss some spark yesterday.

However no use looking back we must learn from yesterday and I am sure we will.

Young Georgie · Mon 17 Aug 2009 11:59am

CJ and Mini are as injured as their 8 team mates were who missed against Hawthorn.

What we missed yesterday against the Bombers was not youthful spark, energy and run - though some of that would've been handy - it was the hard, first into the contest and move the ball quickly approach that has brought the team success all year. It wasn't that the Bombers were faster than the Saints yesterday, they got the ball and moved it quickly as our pressure was way down on the usual standard. Bottom line was that they were more hungry at the contest while the Saints (a bit like in Sydney) stood back fractionally and that's all it takes.

Enter CJ & Mini.

mullet · Post: # 797842Post **mullet** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:01pm

Young Georgie wrote:CJ and Mini are as injured as their 8 team mates were who missed against Hawthorn.

What we missed yesterday against the Bombers was not youthful spark, energy and run - though some of that would've been handy - it was the hard, first into the contest and move the ball quickly approach that has brought the team success all year. It wasn't that the Bombers were faster than the Saints yesterday, they got the ball and moved it quickly as our pressure was way down on the usual standard. Bottom line was that they were more hungry at the contest while the Saints (a bit like in Sydney) stood back fractionally and that's all it takes.

Enter CJ & Mini.

Yeah good post. There was a lot missing yesterday, and I have a feeling it wont be missing again

borderbarry · Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:11pm

If a third player is to come in it would have to be Geary. BOG for the Zebras. Stiff to be dropped.

degruch · Post: # 797853Post **degruch** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:12pm

mullet wrote:
Young Georgie wrote:CJ and Mini are as injured as their 8 team mates were who missed against Hawthorn.

What we missed yesterday against the Bombers was not youthful spark, energy and run - though some of that would've been handy - it was the hard, first into the contest and move the ball quickly approach that has brought the team success all year. It wasn't that the Bombers were faster than the Saints yesterday, they got the ball and moved it quickly as our pressure was way down on the usual standard. Bottom line was that they were more hungry at the contest while the Saints (a bit like in Sydney) stood back fractionally and that's all it takes.

Enter CJ & Mini.
Yeah good post. There was a lot missing yesterday, and I have a feeling it wont be missing again

Bang on again YG...IMO Steven might have been a preferrable inclusion to Ball in this regard, although you'd have to lean towards Ball's experience. CJ and Mini without a doubt were sorely missed, I was very surprised they were ommitted. Unless they were suffering genuine issues, a mistake, with more than perfect hindsight...sure they'll be instant inclusions this week.

SainterK · Post: # 797854Post **SainterK** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:12pm

I would also like to see Gwilt back, as many others have been tried in a similar role, with not much success?

matrix · Post: # 797870Post **matrix** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:26pm

as much as i hate saying it
ballys in trouble imo

mullet · Post: # 797875Post **mullet** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:33pm

matrixcutter wrote:as much as i hate saying it
ballys in trouble imo

Yeah I think you are right. As much as I love him I just think his body wont let him do what he wants to do, a sad testiment to all those seasons where he was a walking add for elastoplast

stinger · Post: # 797876Post **stinger** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:33pm

matrixcutter wrote:as much as i hate saying it
ballys in trouble imo

...hope not...but i fear the contrary....

matrix · Post: # 797877Post **matrix** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:34pm

i think problems were not managed correct and professionally in previous years.

kills me to say it but IMO he is in trouble (body wise, not ability wise)

yet i hope the bloke proves me 100% wrong

degruch · Post: # 797881Post **degruch** » Mon 17 Aug 2009 12:37pm

matrixcutter wrote:i think problems were not managed correct and professionally in previous years.

kills me to say it but IMO he is in trouble (body wise, not ability wise)

yet i hope the bloke proves me 100% wrong

Surely the club wouldn't be chasing (or sealed?) a new deal with a player who is a 'filler'? Maybe Bally needs a rest this year in prep for next season, but I wouldn't discount his potential importance in a finals campaign.