Confirmed Saints Have Sunday Final

[SaintWodonga]

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 06495.html

Any thoughts?

ST KILDA'S guarantee of a Sunday final and a seven-day break before the finals has become one of the complications to the AFL's chances of shifting the Collingwood-Bulldogs game in round 22.

Post edited...remember..only the link and first paragraph.

[HarveysDeciple]

I think as long as we get 7 days it doesn't matter too much how the others get.

Had we had a 6 day break it would be a different story

[degruch]

Are we holding our breath?

[bozza1980]

If both sides hold their positions ie Pies 3rd, Dogs 4th or even swap positions their really isn't much for either to bitch about. They'll both be giving an advantage to a side that placed higher than them.

The problem comes if the bullies were to slip to 5th, then they would be giving up an advantage to a side that finished below them.

Surely they cannot move the game, it has to be harder to shift the day than the venue, and 5 weeks ago it was impossible to shift the venue of a game.

[perfectionist]

Sounds like the AFL is trying to find a way to screw us. I hope Michael Nettlefold is a bit more forceful with the AFL behind the scenes than his public statements would seem to indicate. Certain other clubs, not to mention eddybody, would say in our position, "We are not moving our round 22 game and we WILL be playing our first final on the following Sunday - if other clubs don't like it they can drop dead!"

[saint66au]

Sounds like the AFL is trying to find a way to screw us. I hope Michael Nettlefold is a bit more forceful with the AFL behind the scenes than his public statements would seem to indicate. Certain other clubs, not to mention eddybody, would say in our position, "We are not moving our round 22 game and we WILL be playing our first final on the following Sunday - if other clubs don't like it they can drop dead!"

Umm firstly the AFL have already locked in that our final is Sunday afternoon....and secondly moving our Round 22 game would only give us a even longer break.

Look, chip the AFL when its deserved please, but from what I read their whole aim in this saga is to give the maximum benefit to the minor premiers i.e US!! part of their reluctance to move the Pies Doggies game is because it could mean we get less rest than our opponents in the 1st week.

Far from screwing us, I actually think just this once they are trying to look after us

[fonz_#15]

would it be a 2:30 game?

absolutely spewing if it is, as i won't be able to even watch it

[stinger]

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 06495.html

Any thoughts?

ST KILDA'S guarantee of a Sunday final and a seven-day break before the finals has become one of the complications to the AFL's chances of shifting the Collingwood-Bulldogs game in round 22.

Post edited...remember..only the link and first paragraph.

yep.......there were a few ignorant posters on here that swore black and blue that there was no benefit in finishing on top ......apologies will be accepted but not expected.......

[Bernard Shakey]

would it be a 2:30 game?

absolutely spewing if it is, as i won't be able to even watch it

Well it won't be a night game on a Sunday, so try an anti emetic diet for a few days before.

[bobmurray]

would it be a 2:30 game?

I hope so....

[mad saint guy]

Oh yay. Four straight Sunday games! How exciting...

[saintspremiers]

Sounds like the AFL is trying to find a way to screw us. I hope Michael Nettlefold is a bit more forceful with the AFL behind the scenes than his public statements would seem to indicate. Certain other clubs, not to mention eddybody, would say in our position, "We are not moving our round 22 game and we WILL be playing our first final on the following Sunday - if other clubs don't like it they can drop dead!"

Umm firstly the AFL have already locked in that our final is Sunday afternoon....and secondly moving our Round 22 game would only give us a even longer break.

Look, chip the AFL when its deserved please, but from what I read their whole aim in this saga is to give the maximum benefit to the minor premiers i.e US!! part of their reluctance to move the Pies Doggies game is because it could mean we get less rest than our opponents in the 1st week.

Far from screwing us, I actually think just this once they are trying to look after us

Um, to look after us they would move OUR game to Saturday and leave the Dogs/Pies game as is.

Then we would have the same break advantage or better, regardless who we play.

What if Brisbane finish 4th?

They play on Saturday, and would get a day's extra break on us if our game isn't moved.

The AFL have not made enough noise about moving our game, I think that is what irks a lot us.

All the AFL have said re us is what we deserve finishing 1st, nothing more, nothing less.

They aren't doing us any special favours!

[perfectionist]

...They aren't doing us any special favours!

Agree. That's obvious, except to the blind. The story today would have eventuated from the StKFC in response to pressure from the AFL to change the date. It's clear that the AFL gave an "indication" to whoever finished first that they would play on the Sunday. However, once Collingwood squealed, the AFL set about reneging on the deal. In terms of favours to us, what you say is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, there are very naive people in this world who think that "they", the people in charge, are always acting in the best interests of everyone.

[Bernard Shakey]

...They aren't doing us any special favours!

Agree. That's obvious, except to the blind. The story today would have eventuated from the StKFC in response to pressure from the AFL to change the date. It's clear that the AFL gave an "indication" to whoever finished first that they would play on the Sunday. However, once Collingwood squealed, the AFL set about reneging on the deal. In terms of favours to us, what you say is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, there are very naive people in this world who think that "they", the people in charge, are always acting in the best interests of everyone.

Why should our game be moved? We get a 7 day 30 minute break.

[perfectionist]

...They aren't doing us any special favours!

Agree. That's obvious, except to the blind. The story today would have eventuated from the StKFC in response to pressure from the AFL to change the date. It's clear that the AFL gave an "indication" to whoever finished first that they would play on the Sunday. However, once Collingwood squealed, the AFL set about reneging on the deal. In terms of favours to us, what you say is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, there are very naive people in this world who think that "they", the people in charge, are always acting in the best interests of everyone.

Why should our game be moved? We get a 7 day 30 minute break.

Agree. No reason.

[dcstkfc]

Have there ever been any actual studies in to the effects of shorter v longer breaks?

[SainterK]

OK, so in everyone's honest opinion, will Collingwood win this one?

[saint66au]

It's clear that the AFL gave an "indication" to whoever finished first that they would play on the Sunday. However, once Collingwood squealed, the AFL set about reneging on the deal.

Reneging? Whats been reneged? We are playing Sunday, thats set in stone now.

Unless you have a contact inside at the AFL, all your "its clear"s and "its obvious to anyone"'s are actually just supposition and guesswork based on some sort of obsession with the AFL doing over St Kilda every chance they get.

As I said, I'm more than happy to give the AFL a spray when deserved and yes they give Collingwood an armchair ride often..but..this time..your conspiracy theory might just be a bit wide of the mark.

[plugger66]

I cannot beleive some people complaining that if we play Brisbane they get a bigger break. We get 7 days and if that isnt enough then so be it and they will also be travelling 2 weeks in a row. No excuses. The reason they were looking at the other game is both sides are in the finals and because they play on Sunday it stuffs their programming up. As it looks now we may not even play either of those 2 sides so why do we even care if it was moved.

[matrix]

ill start warming the car up then

ill be driving straight there, watching game, driving straight back.

coffee and cigs will be my friend that sunday....

[Unforgiven]

Have there ever been any actual studies in to the effects of shorter v longer breaks?

Have been trying to find an AFL specific journal, and there doesn't seem to be one exsiting (In terms of 5 v 6 v 7+ day breaks). The main reason being, as while exercise physiologists/scientists are embraced in the AFL community, no coaching panel is willing to subject their playing group to a study mid season. As there would be a protocol to follow, and sooner or later (mostly within a week or 2 of the study) the protocol would be over ruled by the coach, as performance of the athletes is the coaches no.1 goal/desire and any sacrificing the validity of a study is no big deal to achieve this. It's just not practical.

From a physiological point of view, there is undoubtably a massive advantage of having a longer break especially with a few particular things.

[matrix]

cool if i leave straight after the game i can be home by 2am for work the next day

[SideshowMilne]

Downside is a 1st round loss, means a short break somewhere in the series.

[BringBackMadDog]

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about, we will have a 7 day break after a fairly soft last game of the season against Melbourne who will already be thinking about mad monday whilst the main contenders for fourth spot will have a pretty tough last game. Bulldogs and Collingwood will kick the snot out of eachother. Lions are in Sydney against one of the toughest man on man teams in the comp on a toy ground with no space, and Carlton take on Adelaide which could be a battle for 4th spot so that will be brutal.

If we can't win under these circumstances then we are not good enough, no more excuses!!!

[dcstkfc]

Have there ever been any actual studies in to the effects of shorter v longer breaks?

Have been trying to find an AFL specific journal, and there doesn't seem to be one exsiting (In terms of 5 v 6 v 7+ day breaks). The main reason being, as while exercise physiologists/scientists are embraced in the AFL community, no coaching panel is willing to subject their playing group to a study mid season. As there would be a protocol to follow, and sooner or later (mostly within a week or 2 of the study) the protocol would be over ruled by the coach, as performance of the athletes is the coaches no.1 goal/desire and any sacrificing the validity of a study is no big deal to achieve this. It's just not practical.

From a physiological point of view, there is undoubtably a massive advantage of having a longer break especially with a few particular things.

More practical would just be to look back at the stats and see how teams coming off 6-day breaks go compared to those off 7 and 8.