markp wrote:He may have demonstrated a more primal interpretation of that concept.Mr Magic wrote: He would never survive having to apply 'frontal pressure'
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Every oppositon player knew stop Lockett, stop St Kilda.samoht wrote:Who knows Lockett may have struggled with today's flooding tactics and also dropping men in the space he would like to lead into.
Franklin's effort last year was a stand out effort.
We may think of Lockett as St kilda's son .. but does he reciprocate and value St kilda or the Swans as his progenitor ?
Actions speak louder than words in that regard.
Then again maybe he was a good son in luring Barry Hall away and giving us NDS.
Not to mention chopping the legs by diving across in front of him.suss wrote:They're the worst words you'd ever want to hear: "I need you to fill the hole in front of Lockett". Eek.
To think that the angry ant from Hawthorn was complaining that buddy doesn't get his share of free kicks. Pluggger played in the days when chopping the arm was a legitimate tactic.
Kicking 34 goals in 3 consecutive games - He did it twice.True Believer wrote:He kicked 34 in 3 games in 1991 !!! He kicked 117 in about 17 games that year including 9 in a final.
In front of this team would break the season record.
Simply the best I have ever seen. And damn scary too. Never mind BBBH, he was a schoolyard bully beside Plugger.
If Plugger was kept to only 4 goals in a game the fullback would get a brownlow vote.
He was the reason teams started playing extra men in the backline (Sheedy played an 8 man backline against us in that 91 season and kept Plugger to only a couple of goals, Essendon won the game). Your damn good when people chnage the way the game is played because of you.
Same as Banger. The original "rotations" started when teams started rotating taggers on him in order to keep up. Before that a tagger would go to a gun mid and run with him all day. Banger started running them int the ground beore half time and they started rotating them on him - and he ran a few pairs of taggers in to the ground in his prime as well!
Gary Ablett jnr's dad beaten by Danny Frawley so he just went the bash.Moods wrote:On footy flasbacks the other week, they showed the 91 elimination final b/w saints and cats.
My 7 year daughter was watching in amazement. She called out to her sister. 'Come and watch this guy Lockett, he's incredible!.' They were both amazed that Robert Harvey was still running around in the 'olden days.'
Quite funny as I was explaining that Gary Ablett's dad was playing in this game - my 9 year old remarked,'He wasn't very good was he.'
I think his fitness (and I respect that he had asthma) and his attutude towards it, severly limited his potential.bigcarl wrote:i reckon if kosi can survive today plugger would.Milton66 wrote:I doubt he'd survive in the modern game due to the emphasis on athleticism.
all due respect to kosi (who is a very good player at his best) he's not an out and out champion of the game like lockett.Milton66 wrote:I dare say that Kosi is much fitter than Plugger ever was. Without knowing him, he gave the impression that he got by on sheer ability.
Never stated that Kosi was better than Plugger.bigcarl wrote:all due respect to kosi (who is a very good player at his best) he's not an out and out champion of the game like lockett.Milton66 wrote:I dare say that Kosi is much fitter than Plugger ever was. Without knowing him, he gave the impression that he got by on sheer ability.
as for dunstall, pfft. played in premiership teams surrounded by class whereas lockett was carrying about 8 or 10 of our guys.
He is the best player I have ever seen, but the gloss is lost that he is not a one club player. I do not think of him the way I think of Barker and Harvey.jonesy wrote:There should be a Lockett thread each week. He should of been knighted.
Some past players 'legends' seem to get bigger as the years go by,Carey,Brereton,etc. Lockett doesn't,a price paid playing for Stkilda of the 80's 90's, the forgotten superhero of football.
He was the Don Bradman of Aussie rules. He had more talent in his little finger than what most players had. At the end of the day he probably achieved the absolute minimum of his potential,and he still ended up the greatest full forward of all time.
Imagine if he had of played for those Geelong or Hawthorn sides! Any other side for that matter,unfortunatly for the Lockett legend,but fortunatly for us he played for Stkilda.
Those attacking Geelong sides of the late 80's,he would of kicked 200 a year minimum,without a hesitation of doubt.
It was an honour to have him play for us, it gives me shivers watching back over old highlights or reading Lockett talk. We might have a terrible history and 26 spoons,but I feel privelidged to have been able to grow up watching plugger,he was the greatest
agree. he would have kicked 2000 if he had and probably kicked 200 in a season.Milton66 wrote:BTW, as good as he was, does not mean he maximised his potential IMO.
Well said. He was definitely the 'Don Bradman of Aussie Rules', as you put it. He played football the way you dream of playing. He was simply that good. He would kick goals in double figures from limited opportunities because he was mainly unstoppable. I remember one time at Moorabbin we played North and he made Mick Martin look so bad. He kicked 12 or 13 goals on him and shrugged him off like a rag doll. He even spent a fair time wrestling him and at one stage put him in a headlock. I thought Mick was going to pass out!jonesy wrote:There should be a Lockett thread each week. He should of been knighted.
Some past players 'legends' seem to get bigger as the years go by,Carey,Brereton,etc. Lockett doesn't,a price paid playing for Stkilda of the 80's 90's, the forgotten superhero of football.
He was the Don Bradman of Aussie rules. He had more talent in his little finger than what most players had. At the end of the day he probably achieved the absolute minimum of his potential,and he still ended up the greatest full forward of all time.
Imagine if he had of played for those Geelong or Hawthorn sides! Any other side for that matter,unfortunatly for the Lockett legend,but fortunatly for us he played for Stkilda.
Those attacking Geelong sides of the late 80's,he would of kicked 200 a year minimum,without a hesitation of doubt.
It was an honour to have him play for us, it gives me shivers watching back over old highlights or reading Lockett talk. We might have a terrible history and 26 spoons,but I feel privelidged to have been able to grow up watching plugger,he was the greatest
ur kidding milton. hed have dominated. maybe hed have to have eaten few less pies and beers. and done more sessions - running and gym - but the flip side to your argument is - with todays smarter training and more understanding of sports science - the guy would be even better.bigcarl wrote:i reckon if kosi can survive today plugger would.Milton66 wrote:I doubt he'd survive in the modern game due to the emphasis on athleticism.
id have ricciuto up there . i really rated that guy. was skilful - tough. just friggin awesome player. at least as good as hird, bucks, voss (but less media slutty in his personality).MasonCJ2 wrote:Great post. One of my close friendship groups has a Saint, a Cat, a Pie, a Don, and a Lion supporter. Ok, just kidding, not friends, but I know them.
But being lads and the want to create lists the top 5 of our lifetime always comes up, particularly given the support from the above for Buckley, Hird, and Voss. Ablett picks himself. We exclude Matthews for lack of real appreciation and anyone of that narrow era and before.
I still have Ablett at 1. His highlight reel is something to behold and an amazing ability to dominate games from the wing, hff, or later on FF. He simply did things most wouldn't be capable of and on a regular occasion. Many non-Saints wouldn't have Plugger at all, which I cannot believe. Still my favourite player of all time and he'd slot ahead of Carey for mine - Plugger's presence was still something to behold - whether in a very poor team or when he was fortunate enough to play in a finals team.
FWIW, Duck has to come in at three, then Hird 4, and Buckley sneaks 5 ahead of Voss. Plenty of room for arguments in that lot and shame on me for not including R Harvey. I like to think that I maintain some semblance of partiality.In the heat of discussion, I could certainly make a case for Banger to slip into 4 at the least! And on greater reflection, others such as Dunstall could easily slip past the likes of Buckley and Voss.