Who Get's The Chop?
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Who Get's The Chop?
3 games to go, and some players being rested.
26 into 22 doesn't go.
Who do you reckon (not would like) will miss out in the finals?
Blake is going going nowhere, and I reckon we'll see a Zac / Max combo.
Preferred rucks will be Gardi and King.
So who goes?
It will be interesting to see how Armo goes for the next week or 2.
I reckon Dempster is 50/50 and only full fitmess will see him out.
Some one will have to make room for Ball, I suspect. Baker is required for experience and hardness.
Gwilt - out
Eddy - out
Big Mac - out
Geary?
Thoughts on a finals 22 squad?
26 into 22 doesn't go.
Who do you reckon (not would like) will miss out in the finals?
Blake is going going nowhere, and I reckon we'll see a Zac / Max combo.
Preferred rucks will be Gardi and King.
So who goes?
It will be interesting to see how Armo goes for the next week or 2.
I reckon Dempster is 50/50 and only full fitmess will see him out.
Some one will have to make room for Ball, I suspect. Baker is required for experience and hardness.
Gwilt - out
Eddy - out
Big Mac - out
Geary?
Thoughts on a finals 22 squad?
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Who gets the chop?
I'm not too bothered if I get the chop or not..just a couple of snags or a burger will do ta!
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no point in crystal ball gazing too deeply , much can happen!
anyway you'll end up like Bluebaggers who have developed real crystal balls and now recon they can see themselves coming!!
anyway you'll end up like Bluebaggers who have developed real crystal balls and now recon they can see themselves coming!!
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Thought he played like he was resting last weekend to be honest!BringBackMadDog wrote:Dont think Kosi needs a rest, he missed in Round 17. Plus I think he needs the game time to find his touch again.Kosi rested Roo in big Mac to stay
Love him, but he hardly cracked a sweat.
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Re: Who gets the chop?
I'm not too hungry.thejiggingsaint wrote:I'm not too bothered if I get the chop or not..just a couple of snags or a burger will do ta!
Just give me a sip of champers from the premiership cup.
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ive had a good look at it in terms of team balance etc - and i reckon (barring injury) it might come down to between blake and max. would might be heart wrenching to selectors.
i just cant see a backline with chips, max, zac and blake, gilbo, bakes. might be a tad top heavy. max and blake might be competing for one spot....
juts my opinion though.
i just cant see a backline with chips, max, zac and blake, gilbo, bakes. might be a tad top heavy. max and blake might be competing for one spot....
juts my opinion though.
The good thing is Gilbo, Fisher, Goddard can all play fast and running so having all 6 isnt a bad thing.Con Gorozidis wrote:ive had a good look at it in terms of team balance etc - and i reckon (barring injury) it might come down to between blake and max. would might be heart wrenching to selectors.
i just cant see a backline with chips, max, zac and blake, gilbo, bakes. might be a tad top heavy. max and blake might be competing for one spot....
juts my opinion though.
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We seem to have had a lot of these threads. I'll try to put the consistent view I have given in the context of selecting an actual team.
IMO, we have 19 certainties for the finals with the 3 uncertain spots marked with the symbols ?, # and @
Baker Max Fisher
Raph Blake Gilbert
Goddard Dal Montagna
? Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Kosi McQualter
Gardi Lenny #
King Ray Gram @
The spot marked ? is the hardest to pick. Gwilt remains the only player who clearly has the mix of physical presence and skills to play the HFF role in the way that I think Lyon would ideally like it to be played, but he isn't quite good enough to command a spot in our top 22. Putting anybody else in that spot means that you don't get an HFF of the type Lyon would like. I therefore suspect we will see Gwilt hanging around on the edge of selection until the last game of the season. If not Gwilt, the spot goes to Dempster, with Armo and Geary outside chances.
# totally belongs to CJ but, if Gwilt suddenly finds form big time in a game (as he memorably did in 2005) and Lyon is totally determined to have Dempster in his top 22 to run all over the park and blot out a Selwood or whoever, then Dempster for CJ is an option. Desperately, unbelievably unfair: but some seriously unfair things are going to have to happen to fit 30 worthy guys into 22 spots.
@, by all that's right and proper, ought to belong to Luke Ball. But I don't think that's 100% sewn up in Ross's mind. On Saturday's performance, if not Ball, it ought to be Armo. Geary can't be totally ruled out either, especially if Armo's performance turns out to be a one-off. Finally, of course, this is yet another spot in which Dempster could be placed.
After a lot of reflection, I can say that the lineup I would favour, if I had to bet my life on it, would be
Baker Max Fisher
Raph Blake Gilbert
Goddard Dal Montagna
Armo Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Kosi McQualter
Gardi Lenny Jones
King Ray Gram Ball
But I honestly can't see Lyon leaving out Dempster if he's fit. And, contrary to many on here, I would guess that Lyon continues to see Eddy as a real possibility as well. Lyon wants to have some players in his team who run around all over the field and fill space: certainly if he has to have some players in his side like Ball who won't do a bit of it.
And, because I'm a fan, I would dearly love to see Jimmy pump himself back up to his 2005 form and push his way in. But he's not there right now IMO.
Dawson? I can't see him playing: if Max and Blake are both ahead of him (and I think they are), then who is going to be Dawson's matchup against the Pies or Cats? Are Rocca or Hawkins going to be playing? The 22nd player in my above list, Armo (or, if not him, Dempster or Gwilt), would offer far more to our team on the MCG on GF day. "He could play in Raph's spot or as third forward" I hear someone say. Good luck with those ideas: go ask Ross and see what he thinks.
McEvoy instead of King? Once again, go ask Ross.
Eddy? As I said, be prepared under Ross's strategy to see him run out in a GF in place of someone most of us think is a better player (eg, Ball). It probably won't happen, but it can't be ruled out.
Steven? Not likely.
Final wild thought. All spots in this team seem to remain open on merit: no player is a certainty other than because of his continuing consistent performance. In that context, I reckon Kosi is going to have to lift his game a tad in the next few weeks to be 100% sure of playing finals footy. CJ and Gram have just dropped off a tiny bit too IMO, so they should pull their socks up a bit too.
IMO, we have 19 certainties for the finals with the 3 uncertain spots marked with the symbols ?, # and @
Baker Max Fisher
Raph Blake Gilbert
Goddard Dal Montagna
? Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Kosi McQualter
Gardi Lenny #
King Ray Gram @
The spot marked ? is the hardest to pick. Gwilt remains the only player who clearly has the mix of physical presence and skills to play the HFF role in the way that I think Lyon would ideally like it to be played, but he isn't quite good enough to command a spot in our top 22. Putting anybody else in that spot means that you don't get an HFF of the type Lyon would like. I therefore suspect we will see Gwilt hanging around on the edge of selection until the last game of the season. If not Gwilt, the spot goes to Dempster, with Armo and Geary outside chances.
# totally belongs to CJ but, if Gwilt suddenly finds form big time in a game (as he memorably did in 2005) and Lyon is totally determined to have Dempster in his top 22 to run all over the park and blot out a Selwood or whoever, then Dempster for CJ is an option. Desperately, unbelievably unfair: but some seriously unfair things are going to have to happen to fit 30 worthy guys into 22 spots.
@, by all that's right and proper, ought to belong to Luke Ball. But I don't think that's 100% sewn up in Ross's mind. On Saturday's performance, if not Ball, it ought to be Armo. Geary can't be totally ruled out either, especially if Armo's performance turns out to be a one-off. Finally, of course, this is yet another spot in which Dempster could be placed.
After a lot of reflection, I can say that the lineup I would favour, if I had to bet my life on it, would be
Baker Max Fisher
Raph Blake Gilbert
Goddard Dal Montagna
Armo Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Kosi McQualter
Gardi Lenny Jones
King Ray Gram Ball
But I honestly can't see Lyon leaving out Dempster if he's fit. And, contrary to many on here, I would guess that Lyon continues to see Eddy as a real possibility as well. Lyon wants to have some players in his team who run around all over the field and fill space: certainly if he has to have some players in his side like Ball who won't do a bit of it.
And, because I'm a fan, I would dearly love to see Jimmy pump himself back up to his 2005 form and push his way in. But he's not there right now IMO.
Dawson? I can't see him playing: if Max and Blake are both ahead of him (and I think they are), then who is going to be Dawson's matchup against the Pies or Cats? Are Rocca or Hawkins going to be playing? The 22nd player in my above list, Armo (or, if not him, Dempster or Gwilt), would offer far more to our team on the MCG on GF day. "He could play in Raph's spot or as third forward" I hear someone say. Good luck with those ideas: go ask Ross and see what he thinks.
McEvoy instead of King? Once again, go ask Ross.
Eddy? As I said, be prepared under Ross's strategy to see him run out in a GF in place of someone most of us think is a better player (eg, Ball). It probably won't happen, but it can't be ruled out.
Steven? Not likely.
Final wild thought. All spots in this team seem to remain open on merit: no player is a certainty other than because of his continuing consistent performance. In that context, I reckon Kosi is going to have to lift his game a tad in the next few weeks to be 100% sure of playing finals footy. CJ and Gram have just dropped off a tiny bit too IMO, so they should pull their socks up a bit too.
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Assuming we are playing the dogs, my ideal first final side would be:
B: Baker Max Blake
HB: Raph Fisher Gilbert
C: Joey Lenny BJ
HF: Dal Roo Schneider
F: Milne Kosi Mini
Foll: Gardiner Ball CJ
Int: King Gram Gwilt Dempster
So therefore Dawson, Eddy, Steven, Armo, Geary and Big Benny would be the unlucky ones. (Dawson the most unlucky but the Dogs just dont seem to have a match up for him).
If we were playing Collingwood, I would bring Dawson back in at the expense of Dempster and possibly bring in Geary to play on one of the pies small fowards (Davis, Dick, Medhurst, Wellingham etc).
The fantastic advantage of having such depth is that you really can adopt a horses for courses attitude and play the best side possible to match up on your opposition.
B: Baker Max Blake
HB: Raph Fisher Gilbert
C: Joey Lenny BJ
HF: Dal Roo Schneider
F: Milne Kosi Mini
Foll: Gardiner Ball CJ
Int: King Gram Gwilt Dempster
So therefore Dawson, Eddy, Steven, Armo, Geary and Big Benny would be the unlucky ones. (Dawson the most unlucky but the Dogs just dont seem to have a match up for him).
If we were playing Collingwood, I would bring Dawson back in at the expense of Dempster and possibly bring in Geary to play on one of the pies small fowards (Davis, Dick, Medhurst, Wellingham etc).
The fantastic advantage of having such depth is that you really can adopt a horses for courses attitude and play the best side possible to match up on your opposition.
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Not a chance. As encouraging as Benny's game was on Saturday, he hardly did any rucking. He played mostly as a key forward. He's not going to be doing that come finals time. I don't think this is another Mark Blake situation. McEvoy is #3 where two are required. Only an injury to one of the top-2 will get Big Ben a run in finals.meher baba wrote:McEvoy instead of King? Once again, go ask Ross.
I'm also pretty sure that we can play Blake, Dawson and Hudghton in the same time. Saturday was the fourth time we've done it. Blake seems to be rolling off mediums rather than playing KPP this year. Dawson and Hudghton are true key defenders. As tall as our backline is, it works. We have ground level players drift back there to help out.
My stab at a finals team (assuming all but X and Allen are available):
FB: Baker - Hudghton - Dawson
HB: Blake - S. Fisher - Gilbert
C: Gram - Hayes - Ray
HF: Goddard - Riewoldt - Montagna
FF: Schneider - Koschitzke - Milne
OB: Gardiner - Dal Santo - Jones
IC: Ball - R. Clarke - King - McQualter
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I guarantee you , nothing surer than Ross having depster in the team. he can play anywhere.vacuous space wrote:Not a chance. As encouraging as Benny's game was on Saturday, he hardly did any rucking. He played mostly as a key forward. He's not going to be doing that come finals time. I don't think this is another Mark Blake situation. McEvoy is #3 where two are required. Only an injury to one of the top-2 will get Big Ben a run in finals.meher baba wrote:McEvoy instead of King? Once again, go ask Ross.
I'm also pretty sure that we can play Blake, Dawson and Hudghton in the same time. Saturday was the fourth time we've done it. Blake seems to be rolling off mediums rather than playing KPP this year. Dawson and Hudghton are true key defenders. As tall as our backline is, it works. We have ground level players drift back there to help out.
My stab at a finals team (assuming all but X and Allen are available):
FB: Baker - Hudghton - Dawson
HB: Blake - S. Fisher - Gilbert
C: Gram - Hayes - Ray
HF: Goddard - Riewoldt - Montagna
FF: Schneider - Koschitzke - Milne
OB: Gardiner - Dal Santo - Jones
IC: Ball - R. Clarke - King - McQualter
Blake is his back up ruckman.
Dawson and Max are at risk.
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Negligent conduct (one point), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points).ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Going to be some broken hearts come finals time, I don't really want to think about it yet. Couldn't imagine what that tap on the shoulder would feel like....
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