How Good Was Lockett
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How Good Was Lockett
Buddy Franklin will be lucky to manage 70 goals this season, playing in a middle of the ladder side, but playing all 22 games.
He managed 113 goals playing in 25 games when spearheading a premiership team.
One can only dream of how many Lockett would have kicked had he the luxury of playing 25 games in front of a premiership team.
Lockett got his centuries of goals playing in front of a mediocre team, unlike Dunstall & Hudson.
Once Lockett got 70 goals in 9 games before having his season destroyed by injury.
Buddy wont achieve that this season with 22 games.
The eras may be diiferent but maybe now some of you youngsters, who had the misfortune never to see Lockett in his prime, can understand why Lockett's name sits above the cheer squad at Docklands.
He managed 113 goals playing in 25 games when spearheading a premiership team.
One can only dream of how many Lockett would have kicked had he the luxury of playing 25 games in front of a premiership team.
Lockett got his centuries of goals playing in front of a mediocre team, unlike Dunstall & Hudson.
Once Lockett got 70 goals in 9 games before having his season destroyed by injury.
Buddy wont achieve that this season with 22 games.
The eras may be diiferent but maybe now some of you youngsters, who had the misfortune never to see Lockett in his prime, can understand why Lockett's name sits above the cheer squad at Docklands.
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if Lockett would have played these 19 past rounds he would be pretty close to the 100 i reckon....
not this 68 goals like the leaders are on now (brown and fev)
imagine the delivery to him today
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in fact i deff reckon he woulda kicked the 100 by now
70 goals in 9 games lol
that wont even get close to being beaten in a long long time
not this 68 goals like the leaders are on now (brown and fev)
imagine the delivery to him today
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bj
joey
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in fact i deff reckon he woulda kicked the 100 by now
70 goals in 9 games lol
that wont even get close to being beaten in a long long time
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Who knows Lockett may have struggled with today's flooding tactics and also dropping men in the space he would like to lead into.
Franklin's effort last year was a stand out effort.
We may think of Lockett as St kilda's son .. but does he reciprocate and value St kilda or the Swans as his progenitor ?
Actions speak louder than words in that regard.
Then again maybe he was a good son in luring Barry Hall away and giving us NDS.
Franklin's effort last year was a stand out effort.
We may think of Lockett as St kilda's son .. but does he reciprocate and value St kilda or the Swans as his progenitor ?
Actions speak louder than words in that regard.
Then again maybe he was a good son in luring Barry Hall away and giving us NDS.
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Lockett kicked his goals carrying an extra 3-4 kilos than anyone today - at least a kilo or 2 of mud on his boots, and the football soddened / wet throu. His only downfall in today's footy would be the man running off him all the time from the backline - thou - with the team we have today, who in their right mind would leave him to roam the forward 50m free!!
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The flood was originaly invented to stop Lockett, I believe Adelaide was the first to try the tactic, although I don't believe it was the same flood we see today, that one was directed at stopping one player I think.....samoht wrote:Who knows Lockett may have struggled with today's flooding tactics and also dropping men in the space he would like to lead into.
Lockett would still be kicking bags in todays game, he was that good.
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He kicked 34 in 3 games in 1991 !!! He kicked 117 in about 17 games that year including 9 in a final.
In front of this team would break the season record.
Simply the best I have ever seen. And damn scary too. Never mind BBBH, he was a schoolyard bully beside Plugger.
If Plugger was kept to only 4 goals in a game the fullback would get a brownlow vote.
He was the reason teams started playing extra men in the backline (Sheedy played an 8 man backline against us in that 91 season and kept Plugger to only a couple of goals, Essendon won the game). Your damn good when people chnage the way the game is played because of you.
Same as Banger. The original "rotations" started when teams started rotating taggers on him in order to keep up. Before that a tagger would go to a gun mid and run with him all day. Banger started running them int the ground beore half time and they started rotating them on him - and he ran a few pairs of taggers in to the ground in his prime as well!
In front of this team would break the season record.
Simply the best I have ever seen. And damn scary too. Never mind BBBH, he was a schoolyard bully beside Plugger.
If Plugger was kept to only 4 goals in a game the fullback would get a brownlow vote.
He was the reason teams started playing extra men in the backline (Sheedy played an 8 man backline against us in that 91 season and kept Plugger to only a couple of goals, Essendon won the game). Your damn good when people chnage the way the game is played because of you.
Same as Banger. The original "rotations" started when teams started rotating taggers on him in order to keep up. Before that a tagger would go to a gun mid and run with him all day. Banger started running them int the ground beore half time and they started rotating them on him - and he ran a few pairs of taggers in to the ground in his prime as well!
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On footy flasbacks the other week, they showed the 91 elimination final b/w saints and cats.
My 7 year daughter was watching in amazement. She called out to her sister. 'Come and watch this guy Lockett, he's incredible!.' They were both amazed that Robert Harvey was still running around in the 'olden days.'
Quite funny as I was explaining that Gary Ablett's dad was playing in this game - my 9 year old remarked,'He wasn't very good was he.'![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
My 7 year daughter was watching in amazement. She called out to her sister. 'Come and watch this guy Lockett, he's incredible!.' They were both amazed that Robert Harvey was still running around in the 'olden days.'
Quite funny as I was explaining that Gary Ablett's dad was playing in this game - my 9 year old remarked,'He wasn't very good was he.'
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lolMoods wrote:Quite funny as I was explaining that Gary Ablett's dad was playing in this game - my 9 year old remarked,'He wasn't very good was he.'
classic
those around in the plugger era and able to appreciate it for what it was are very lucky peeps.
theres some stars today, no doubt, but ablett and lockett are just as good if not better than most of todays forwards.
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Lockett was just unbelievable. He was big, I mean really big and aggressive as well - that made him just plain dangerous.
But his skills as a footballer were just sublime. He could kick on both sides, powerful mark and he could read the game beautifully. I still vividly remember a praccy game at Moorabbin prior to the 1988 season, when we played against the Bears. Plugger kicked 12 that day - and one of his goals he collected a ground ball (one touch as always) then stood up to find all these Bears defenders around him. So he just crashed thru them - and he literally had 4 of them hanging off him as he ran into goal and kicked truely. They were being dragged along as he kept running towards the goal - and he appeared not to notice them as he just kicked gently into the goals. awesome presence at Moorabbin in particular where he just owned the forward 50 arcs.
But his skills as a footballer were just sublime. He could kick on both sides, powerful mark and he could read the game beautifully. I still vividly remember a praccy game at Moorabbin prior to the 1988 season, when we played against the Bears. Plugger kicked 12 that day - and one of his goals he collected a ground ball (one touch as always) then stood up to find all these Bears defenders around him. So he just crashed thru them - and he literally had 4 of them hanging off him as he ran into goal and kicked truely. They were being dragged along as he kept running towards the goal - and he appeared not to notice them as he just kicked gently into the goals. awesome presence at Moorabbin in particular where he just owned the forward 50 arcs.
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Plugger was amazing. We used to follow him from end to end just to watch him back in the late 80's. Winmar to Lockett, was like Lillee to Marsh!
He did rip our hearts out when he left though, always remember that sick feeling seeing him in that Sydney jumper for the first time.
It would be nice if he showed a bit more interest in the Saints these days, after all he did kick 898 goals with us. He seems to have forgotten that in the time that has passed since.
The few times I met him though he was gruff and unfriendly. I don't think he ever did much for the young Saints supporters, certainly not like the players do now.
But for football ability, I am sure glad I was around to see him play!
Incidentally, he was better and more damaging with the Saints than he ever was in Sydney!
He did rip our hearts out when he left though, always remember that sick feeling seeing him in that Sydney jumper for the first time.
It would be nice if he showed a bit more interest in the Saints these days, after all he did kick 898 goals with us. He seems to have forgotten that in the time that has passed since.
The few times I met him though he was gruff and unfriendly. I don't think he ever did much for the young Saints supporters, certainly not like the players do now.
But for football ability, I am sure glad I was around to see him play!
Incidentally, he was better and more damaging with the Saints than he ever was in Sydney!
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i saw that. it was unbelievable. i think he kicked 13 though.yipper wrote:Lockett was just unbelievable. He was big, I mean really big and aggressive as well - that made him just plain dangerous.
But his skills as a footballer were just sublime. He could kick on both sides, powerful mark and he could read the game beautifully. I still vividly remember a praccy game at Moorabbin prior to the 1988 season, when we played against the Bears. Plugger kicked 12 that day - and one of his goals he collected a ground ball (one touch as always) then stood up to find all these Bears defenders around him. So he just crashed thru them - and he literally had 4 of them hanging off him as he ran into goal and kicked truely. They were being dragged along as he kept running towards the goal - and he appeared not to notice them as he just kicked gently into the goals. awesome presence at Moorabbin in particular where he just owned the forward 50 arcs.
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Best player I've ever seen play in the flesh - then daylight.
Hard to assess how he would go today. Whether he would have been able to fit in with today's style of run, run, run and everyone's a defender when the other team has the pill, who knows?
My guess is that a player of his talent and quality would still be a superstar today.
Hard to assess how he would go today. Whether he would have been able to fit in with today's style of run, run, run and everyone's a defender when the other team has the pill, who knows?
My guess is that a player of his talent and quality would still be a superstar today.
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I lost count after 10!!!!bigcarl wrote:i saw that. it was unbelievable. i think he kicked 13 though.yipper wrote:Lockett was just unbelievable. He was big, I mean really big and aggressive as well - that made him just plain dangerous.
But his skills as a footballer were just sublime. He could kick on both sides, powerful mark and he could read the game beautifully. I still vividly remember a praccy game at Moorabbin prior to the 1988 season, when we played against the Bears. Plugger kicked 12 that day - and one of his goals he collected a ground ball (one touch as always) then stood up to find all these Bears defenders around him. So he just crashed thru them - and he literally had 4 of them hanging off him as he ran into goal and kicked truely. They were being dragged along as he kept running towards the goal - and he appeared not to notice them as he just kicked gently into the goals. awesome presence at Moorabbin in particular where he just owned the forward 50 arcs.
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I remember the glorious days at Moorabbin & Waverley when he was unstoppable ..
I also remember the days he was well held either by a smart fullback (often SOS) or smart coaching (often Sheedy) ..
He also gave us so much joy .. winning the brownlow in '87 when I was just growing up having experienced so much ridicule and those terrible seasons in the early 80's .. it was just a high I'll never forget ..
So on the balance of things - greatest player ever ? I think one R.Harvey himself could vie for that honor - but on his good days nobody could touch plugger ..
I also remember the days he was well held either by a smart fullback (often SOS) or smart coaching (often Sheedy) ..
He also gave us so much joy .. winning the brownlow in '87 when I was just growing up having experienced so much ridicule and those terrible seasons in the early 80's .. it was just a high I'll never forget ..
So on the balance of things - greatest player ever ? I think one R.Harvey himself could vie for that honor - but on his good days nobody could touch plugger ..
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What more can you say?
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13.8 from memory (but don't quote me). might have been 13.11 ... i do remember that his kicking wasn't up to his usual standard.yipper wrote:I lost count after 10!!!!bigcarl wrote:i saw that. it was unbelievable. i think he kicked 13 though.
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He was the best, does anyone remember his game against collingwood in late 87. He kicked 7 I think, dragged us back into the game in the second quarter, and kicked a beauty after he lead out but didn't mark, gathered the ball in general play and kicked a torp from a long way out that went through post high!! The moorabbin grandstand was rocking!! That may have been the 3 votes that clinched his Brownlow, but it was 22 years ago, and only one of many amazing games!
I also seem to recall someone tackling Plugger and the point post breaking, a trainer or the emergency umpire had to hold it up for the rest of that quarter!!!
I also seem to recall someone tackling Plugger and the point post breaking, a trainer or the emergency umpire had to hold it up for the rest of that quarter!!!
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that collingwood game was amazing. we were gone at quarter time. they led by six or seven goals, but after that he just throttled them.LovedLintonStreet wrote:He was the best, does anyone remember his game against collingwood in late 87. He kicked 7 I think, dragged us back into the game in the second quarter, and kicked a beauty after he lead out but didn't mark, gathered the ball in general play and kicked a torp from a long way out that went through post high!! The moorabbin grandstand was rocking!! That may have been the 3 votes that clinched his Brownlow, but it was 22 years ago, and only one of many amazing games!
I also seem to recall someone tackling Plugger and the point post breaking, a trainer or the emergency umpire had to hold it up for the rest of that quarter!!!
that was his breakout game in his breakout season.
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Quite simply the most awesome player ever to pull on a Saints jumper.
If you ever get the chance to speak to SOS, ask him about the day at Moorabbin when Plugger took him apart, kicking his 10th to win the game.
He was virtually unstoppable.
He would never survive having to apply 'frontal pressure' like we are playing today, but he probably wouldn't need to do it as he would mark anything that came near him!
I recall onw time he was playing for the Big V adn they threw him into the ruck at 3/4 time. He turned the game and won it for Victoria.
But there were dark sides of his character.
He was basically an introvert and easily lost his temper.
Who knows how many goals he would have eventually kicked had he not missed so many games through suspension?
If you ever get the chance to speak to SOS, ask him about the day at Moorabbin when Plugger took him apart, kicking his 10th to win the game.
He was virtually unstoppable.
He would never survive having to apply 'frontal pressure' like we are playing today, but he probably wouldn't need to do it as he would mark anything that came near him!
I recall onw time he was playing for the Big V adn they threw him into the ruck at 3/4 time. He turned the game and won it for Victoria.
But there were dark sides of his character.
He was basically an introvert and easily lost his temper.
Who knows how many goals he would have eventually kicked had he not missed so many games through suspension?
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Too true. MM.Mr Magic wrote:Quite simply the most awesome player ever to pull on a Saints jumper.
If you ever get the chance to speak to SOS, ask him about the day at Moorabbin when Plugger took him apart, kicking his 10th to win the game.
He was virtually unstoppable.
He would never survive having to apply 'frontal pressure' like we are playing today, but he probably wouldn't need to do it as he would mark anything that came near him!
I recall onw time he was playing for the Big V adn they threw him into the ruck at 3/4 time. He turned the game and won it for Victoria.
But there were dark sides of his character.
He was basically an introvert and easily lost his temper.
Who knows how many goals he would have eventually kicked had he not missed so many games through suspension?
Baldock always thought that he could one of the best ever CHF's if he controlled his weight.
Stood next to him one day, and I swear his fore arm was the size of my thigh.
I doubt he'd survive in the modern game due to the emphasis on athleticism.
Ian Stewart, although, would probably still slot in nicely.
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