No real advantage between finishing 1 or 4

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No real advantage between finishing 1 or 4

Post: # 788537Post saint patrick »

After a conversation with a filth supporter at work it occured to me that if we meet Collingwood or the Dogs in the first week of the finals that effectively they get exactly the same advantage as us.

Different if teams 3 and 4 are interstate as 1 and 2 get to play in their home state.Certainly doesn't apply at the MCG against the filth or the doggies.

Makes you wonder whether top 2 or a least top should get a bit more of an advatage.Bloody good effort to get there for nothing more than 4 th in this case.

Hope this means jack squat and we prove we are the best team with a first up win against whoever 8-)

Losing the first final would probably mean we would have to beat the cats in a prelim :shock:

Whatever...just do it Sainters :twisted:


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Post: # 788538Post Premiers2009 »

rubbish that we dont get one at the dome i agree.


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Re: No real advantage between finishing 1 or 4

Post: # 788541Post bigcarl »

yeah, the system is flawed, i agree. the team that finishes top should get every conceivable advantage after proving they are the best of the season.

however these are the rules that we sign up the play under.

we'll just have to prove again in the finals that we are the best team.


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Post: # 788542Post SaintDebi »

Premiers2009 wrote:rubbish that we dont get one at the dome i agree.
I agree, but I imagine there will be the same arguments re numbers able to attend that were heard when many wanted the R14 game against the cats moved to the G.


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I hear what you are saying, but as it stands we will potentially have 7 more wins than our opponents in Week 1...If thats not the most lop-sided qualifying final W-L record in history I'll go he.
And...it always was and always will be a home STATE advantage....Sydney play their finals at Homebush even though they play far less games there than at the SCG


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Post: # 788546Post Premiers2009 »

home final would be nice but even better would be a stadium deal.
cant really complain, we have to win at the G eventually and we didnt have to play at skilled.
melbourne is a nice prelude for the real stuff.


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Post: # 788551Post saint patrick »

Certainly opens up the strong argument for carefully rotation and selection designed to maximise the luxury of effectly not needing another win in the home and away.

Not suggesting that we flirt with our form but the sole objective should be to get the best team to the september line in the best condition.

Don't be surprised to see some interesting selections in the next 4 weeks.

Also makes sense to get some more time into players like Geary, Armo,Maguire and possibly a Jack Steven or Miles.

Interesting times no doubt. :roll:
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saint66au wrote:I hear what you are saying, but as it stands we will potentially have 7 more wins than our opponents in Week 1...If thats not the most lop-sided qualifying final W-L record in history I'll go he.
And...it always was and always will be a home STATE advantage....Sydney play their finals at Homebush even though they play far less games there than at the SCG
7 more wins huh? Id call that a distinct mental advantage! Still not enough though.


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Post: # 788555Post Saintersss »

How about the fact that the team that finishes fourth has to play the best team and the team that finishes first, only has to play the fourth best team...

Seems pretty obvious to me...


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SaintDebi wrote:
Premiers2009 wrote:rubbish that we dont get one at the dome i agree.
I agree, but I imagine there will be the same arguments re numbers able to attend that were heard when many wanted the R14 game against the cats moved to the G.
The club doesn't get any where near the same return for crowds in finals as they do for crowds in the home and away season


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Post: # 788561Post saint patrick »

Saintersss wrote:How about the fact that the team that finishes fourth has to play the best team and the team that finishes first, only has to play the fourth best team...

Seems pretty obvious to me...
Think you are onto something...how about if the top team played 8 th and the 8 th team risked elimination...now theres an idea :wink: :roll:


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Post: # 788562Post iwantmeseats »

But do you really rate us as 4 times betterthan Collingwood. I dont , not 4!


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Hope Adelaide finish 4 th.This week at AAMI could decide it.


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Post: # 788595Post saintspremiers »

Baldock Rules wrote:Hope Adelaide finish 4 th.This week at AAMI could decide it.
Agree, I'm a bit concerned about Collingwood's recent form - Adelaide we have covered easily - we have no idea how we'd go against a full-strength Pies outfit this season.

As for the finals, the Final 5 is no doubt the best system of the past 40 years....it gave the top side a clear advantage over 2nd and 3rd, who in turn had an advantage over 4th and 5th.

The current system has 3 more sides, but only 2 tiers of advantage not 3!

AND.....the finals money goes to the AFL - not to the clubs - it's perhaps only the Granny where we can make some decent cash through selling packages etc.


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Post: # 788600Post Bernard Shakey »

Easy to fix, make all finals knockout.

1st plays 8th, 2nd plays 7th etc.

If 1st against 8th isn't a big enough advantage I'll go he.


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Post: # 788607Post perfectionist »

iwantmeseats wrote:But do you really rate us as 4 times betterthan Collingwood. I dont , not 4!
Certainly not 4. More like 3.89765


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Post: # 788608Post Leo.J »

Even less advantage if Collingwood and the Dogs get their way and have their round 22 clash moved to Saturday...

If that happens and we end up playing either of those clubs, they end up getting an extra days break.


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Post: # 788636Post Enrico_Misso »

Don't forget we scraped into 4th spot last year and hence had the same "draw" as Geelong who were about 8 wins ahead of us.

Now the roles are reversed.

I'm happy as long as we get a SEVEN DAY BREAK.
Anything less than that would be an OUTRAGE and make the whole point of finishing on top WORTHLESS.


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saint66au wrote:I hear what you are saying, but as it stands we will potentially have 7 more wins than our opponents in Week 1...If thats not the most lop-sided qualifying final W-L record in history I'll go he.
And...it always was and always will be a home STATE advantage....Sydney play their finals at Homebush even though they play far less games there than at the SCG
Prepare to.

You gotta go back a long time to find it.

Last years Qualifying Final. :P


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mick13 wrote:
saint66au wrote:I hear what you are saying, but as it stands we will potentially have 7 more wins than our opponents in Week 1...If thats not the most lop-sided qualifying final W-L record in history I'll go he.
And...it always was and always will be a home STATE advantage....Sydney play their finals at Homebush even though they play far less games there than at the SCG
Prepare to.

You gotta go back a long time to find it.

Last years Qualifying Final. :P
Beat me to it, lol....

FWIW, I reckon it won't matter who we play first up - we don't have a statement to make or anything like that regardless of what people may say - BUT the Prelim is what I'm looking forward to. More than any other game this year, I reckon our blokes will take the Prelim by the balls and go out there to prove they can do it. Three failures in five years will still be fresh in their mind and they will be out to prove a point.

I can't wait for this final series!


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Post: # 788665Post matrix »

whats the bet if the pies ground was the Dome they would get a game there lol


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Post: # 788686Post saint66au »

mick13 wrote:
saint66au wrote:I hear what you are saying, but as it stands we will potentially have 7 more wins than our opponents in Week 1...If thats not the most lop-sided qualifying final W-L record in history I'll go he.
And...it always was and always will be a home STATE advantage....Sydney play their finals at Homebush even though they play far less games there than at the SCG
Prepare to.

You gotta go back a long time to find it.

Last years Qualifying Final. :P
Shows you how effectively Ive purged that game outta the memory banks 8-) :oops:


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Post: # 788688Post plugger66 »

Did we have this thread last year?


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Post: # 788694Post kaos theory »

We are guaranted a 7 day break if we finished 1st or second. We are NOT guaranted a 7 day break in 3 or 4th position.


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Post: # 788701Post saint66au »

kaos theory wrote:We are guaranted a 7 day break if we finished 1st or second. We are NOT guaranted a 7 day break in 3 or 4th position.
has that been stated as fact by the AFL..or just wishful thinking on your part?

Just curious..ive never seen it stated anywhere by the AFL thats all


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