define frontal pressure, forward press

bigcarl · Post: # 778717Post **bigcarl** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 1:53pm

i hear these terms a lot in reference to st kilda's gameplan, but am a little hazy as to what, exactly, they mean.

are they the same thing? anyone care to attempt an exact definition(s).

saint75 · Post: # 778718Post **saint75** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 1:55pm

If you rewatch yesterdays St KIlda game on Fox, James Hird attempts to define the 2 and did a decent job.

Frontal pressure was a phrase coined by Neil Craig and his explanation was included in the pre game discussion. I cannot remember the exact definition, so I won't attempt to translate here.

matrix · Post: # 778722Post **matrix** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 1:57pm

forward pressure is basically forwards (players chasing and tackling that line up in the forward area).

frontal pressure is where we zone up when they are kicking out, force the short kick wide, move the zone across and the player behind on the wing pushes up to the next opponent....with the player behind covering the moving players opp.

james hird explains it well during the game, i think it mighta been at one of the breaks.
it made sense when he explained it with footage egs.
you could see it clear as day from the camera angle from behind the crows player kicking out for a point.

bigcarl · Post: # 778724Post **bigcarl** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 1:58pm

matrixcutter wrote:forward pressure is basically forwards (players chasing and tackling that line up in the forward area).

i know, but is that the same as "the forward press"?

joffaboy · Post: # 778725Post **joffaboy** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 1:59pm

both sound vaguely erotic/porno.

Sainter_Dad · Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:00pm

Frontal pressure is where rather than just manning up and making sure there are no targets to kick to - the line behind mans up your man and you attack the player with the ball - that way not only is there no targets to kick to - you have to make decisions quickly as there is someone ready to attack you (aside from the man on the mark) as soon as play on is called.

Its kind of like how wasps swarm as opposed to bees bees are defensive in their use of the sting - only as a last resort - but wasps will hunt you!

bigcarl · Post: # 778728Post **bigcarl** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:00pm

joffaboy wrote:both sound vaguely erotic/porno.

only if you have a dirty mind

battye · Post: # 778729Post **battye** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:02pm

Reverse frontal pressure is when another team applies frontal pressure on to you.

matrix · Post: # 778730Post **matrix** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:03pm

bigcarl wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:forward pressure is basically forwards (players chasing and tackling that line up in the forward area).
i know, but is that the same as "the forward press"?

i guess so (

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kinda like a basketball full court press (where the pressure is on near the ball carriers defense line)

its the new words in footy huh...frontal pressure.

commentators said something along the lines of 'how will the saints go with this practice on a big ground like the G, instead of the much smaller (home) ground of the Dome.

someone mentioned we'd be practicing it at moorabin anyway which isnt much diff in size than the G.

or some rubbish

bigcarl · Post: # 778735Post **bigcarl** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:08pm

matrixcutter wrote:commentators said something along the lines of 'how will the saints go with this practice on a big ground like the G, instead of the much smaller (home) ground of the Dome

i'm getting the same from a blue scum supporting friend of mine. i told him it hasn't stopped us winning at aami (twice) and subiaco this season.

thanks for those definitions. it sounds sort of like trying to get the ball back when you haven't got it.

bigmicka · Post: # 778736Post **bigmicka** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:13pm

Is frontal pressure what you get when you go to a strip club?

mic

Sainter_Dad · Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:13pm

bigcarl wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:commentators said something along the lines of 'how will the saints go with this practice on a big ground like the G, instead of the much smaller (home) ground of the Dome
i'm getting the same from a blue scum supporting friend of mine. i told him it hasn't stopped us winning at aami (twice) and subiaco this season.

thanks for those definitions. it sounds sort of like trying to get the ball back when you haven't got it.

Yep - The belief this year is : It is our ball and we damned well want it back!!!!

degruch · Post: # 778738Post **degruch** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:14pm

bigcarl wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:commentators said something along the lines of 'how will the saints go with this practice on a big ground like the G, instead of the much smaller (home) ground of the Dome
i'm getting the same from a blue scum supporting friend of mine. i told him it hasn't stopped us winning at aami (twice) and subiaco this season.

thanks for those definitions. it sounds sort of like trying to get the ball back when you haven't got it.

Frontal pressure is what goes on in the average Blues supporter's skull, when they try to comprehend how we're doing so well with so few Visy employees on the team.

bigcarl · Post: # 778741Post **bigcarl** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:16pm

degruch wrote:Frontal pressure is what goes on in the average Blues supporter's skull, when they try to comprehend how we're doing so well with so few Visy employees on the team.

perfectionist · Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:23pm

Whatever they are, we saw them in spades yesterday.

battye · Post: # 778753Post **battye** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:24pm

bigcarl wrote:
degruch wrote:Frontal pressure is what goes on in the average Blues supporter's skull, when they try to comprehend how we're doing so well with so few Visy employees on the team.

fingers · Post: # 778757Post **fingers** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 2:28pm

bigcarl wrote:
joffaboy wrote:both sound vaguely erotic/porno.
only if you have a dirty mind

They excite me

BAM! (shhhh) · Mon 20 Jul 2009 5:23pm

If anyone's still interested amongst the hilarity, here's my understanding:

frontal pressure ensuring that the forward press/zone continually attacks the ball.

forward press a forward zone which staggers it's numbers to have the majority of the players in the forward half of the ground.

For example, both teams yesterday employed a forward press, but the Saints frontal pressure was much greater than that of the Crows, forcing more turnovers.

I haven't hear the Hird explanation, so I could be wrong.

Beej · Post: # 779058Post **Beej** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 7:40pm

Forward press and frontal pressure are one and the same IMO.

Frontal pressure would be the exact opposite to defensive pressure. Where defensive pressure is applied in the back half, forward pressure is applied in the forward half.

Forward = frontal

And the word 'press' is derived from the word 'pressure', I would have thought.

In basketball a full-court press is when pressure is applied all over the court.

saintsRrising · Mon 20 Jul 2009 7:54pm

OLB wrote:Forward press and frontal pressure are one and the same IMO.

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No..I go with what BAM! has stated.

Forward press means that you are moving your players foward from the backline.

Hence Forward Press.

Forward Press is one way of achieving Frontal Pressure....but is only part of what can be done.

For example our previous tactic of "corralling" providing little frontal pressure (or pressure anywhere if the ball was elsewhere) as it gave the opponent thinking time.

The moved to attack the ball carrier at al times provides much greater pressure and frontal pressure if in the forward line.

This is talked about a lot more now as historically forwards were often lazy providing little pressure on their opponents....with often their only focus being when their team had the ball, rather han thee opposition.

One of reasons Hamill was so exceptional was that he worked hard all the time....and was the "prototype" for what you want forwards to do.

Beej · Post: # 779100Post **Beej** » Mon 20 Jul 2009 8:21pm

saintsRrising wrote:
OLB wrote:Forward press and frontal pressure are one and the same IMO.

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Forward press means that you are moving your players foward from the backline.

Hence Forward Press.

The point of the players moving forward is to apply pressure.

A player moves forward so that if the ball moves into his area, he is able to apply pressure instantly. This leaves the opposition with little space to manoeuvre (ie suffocated).

A press is applying pressure. To press a button = to apply pressure to a button.

It's all semantics, I guess.

Griggsy · Post: # 779303Post **Griggsy** » Tue 21 Jul 2009 1:08am

If you know basketballs "full court press", it is exactly the same. And it would probably be a better name for it or 'full field press'. In basketball the apply pressure, and try corner the players on the sidelines trying to cause a turn over.

Dont really need to explain it though, just watch it. All those turnovers Adelaide had in their back line was a result of it. They had the choice of a long kick down the sideline or a risky kick down the middle when coming out of defence, which was often intercepted.