a note to our old mate GT..

fonz_#15 · Post: # 769020Post **fonz_#15** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:11pm

Ruckmen can and will win games for you.

see Michael Gardner

happy feet · Post: # 769078Post **happy feet** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:30pm

Well said.

BigMart · Post: # 769107Post **BigMart** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:40pm

Good ruckmen win games.....not sure GT did not rate qualty Rucks

Capuano, Knobel, Ackland would not have done that!!!!!!
they are who he did NOT rate...

Don't let facts get in the way of a good thread though.........

Great game by 'the big show'

ThePunter · Post: # 769111Post **ThePunter** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:42pm

Actually, this game proves GT's theory, which was in full "ruckmen are useless if they don't have an influence around the ground."

Gardiner was, at best, even with Blake and Mumford at the ruck contests, but had the most influence around the ground.

perfectionist · Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:43pm

Given the ones he recruited, he either did not rate them or was a hopeless judge.

robbo_25 · Post: # 769116Post **robbo_25** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:43pm

gardy was the x-factor today

claystreet · Post: # 769120Post **claystreet** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:44pm

Lets move on from GT

saint_mite · Post: # 769128Post **saint_mite** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:45pm

claystreet wrote:Lets move on from GT

nice av haha. gardi is deliocious

saintsRrising · Sun 05 Jul 2009 9:59pm

ThePunter wrote:Actually, this game proves GT's theory, which was in full "ruckmen are useless if they don't have an influence around the ground."

Gardiner was, at best, even with Blake and Mumford at the ruck contests, but had the most influence around the ground.

err please explain then GT's recruiting of Knoble and Rix???? Please tell us how these two fit in??

GT would never have recruited Gardiner.

BigMart · Post: # 769234Post **BigMart** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 10:30pm

They were the best ruckmen available that we could afford and we were trying to acquire one after the loss of Everitt.....

recruited by the recruiting Dept....

Capuano was before his time.....he sacked him
Knobel was for pick #48 and couldn't get into the preiership team...
Ackland was a seriel underachiever at Port and was Pick #28...he finished 8th in the B&F in 2005.
Brooks was a First Rounder at Port secured when Everitt left......a touted junior he did his knee...
Michael Rix was recruited as a back up ruckman for pick 49 after making the VFL team of the year

Then there were rookies
Oliver....did not quite have the presence or size
Stone.....a backman who played well in the Ruck in the two's....super fit...not good enough
Van Reehanan.....a giant project kid who unfortunately got injured

if Ruckmen were not rated....why recruit so many in search of one....in the end he got frustrated and resorted to Blake and Kosi because at least they were AFL level footballers and said he did not rate useless ruckmen.

He actually believed after some of Kosi's dominant performances (2005) especially in the final against Sydney.....he would make a gun Follower, perhaps the best in the AFL.

felixleo · Post: # 769240Post **felixleo** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 10:32pm

GT great motivator poor strategist nuff said.

desertsaint · Sun 05 Jul 2009 10:35pm

well i'd like to say thanks to GT for his part in the evolution of this team - a team he still follows and wishes the best for!
Now let it go!

felixleo · Post: # 769248Post **felixleo** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 10:38pm

desertsaint wrote:well i'd like to say thanks to GT for his part in the evolution of this team - a team he still follows and wishes the best for!
Now let it go!

Back that 100 %

BigMart · Post: # 769251Post **BigMart** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 10:39pm

That's not the point.....about the abilities as a coach....they are subjective

it was about the inaccuracies of the thread and a line trotted out by a ridiculous media....whose propaganda is believed by too many....it really does irk me....

IMO

Was GT a good coach - Yes....his record says so
Was Alves a good coach - yes....as above
Was Sheldon a good coach.....he was OK
Is Ross a good coach......yes he has clearly proven that.

are any of them great - NO, only Ross has the opportunity to become great...

Any great coaches at StK........ONE..

felixleo · Post: # 769299Post **felixleo** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 11:03pm

Isn't this thread about whether ruckman are important to winning or not and as a sideline to that whether GT'S stance on that was correct.

gooner · Post: # 769336Post **gooner** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 11:17pm

Who is GT?

BigMart · Post: # 769405Post **BigMart** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 11:45pm

GT is a former coach of 100 odd games.....

The point of the thread was a comment towards our ex-coach about the importance of ruckmen......because if you believe the media GT thought all ruckmen were useless.....and obviously the writer of this thread did believe imbeciles like R.Walls.....ffs...

I pointed out what GT has stated many times.......he rated GOOD ruckmen (of which M.Gardiner in one) and NOT gumbies......unfortunately he had a couple in his time......

ther was NO reason why GT was even bought up tonigher....moreso in a ridiculous and inaccurate sledge.....

Teflon · Post: # 769414Post **Teflon** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 11:48pm

GT has already stated he would not have recruited Gardiner.

End of thread.

The Fireman · Sun 05 Jul 2009 11:56pm

GT bashers need to pull their heads in.

Teflon · Post: # 769454Post **Teflon** » Sun 05 Jul 2009 11:59pm

The Fireman wrote:GT bashers need to pull their heads in.

Why?

Hes an ex coach? he topical, in the media, free to comment on our club when he sees fit......why the nervousness when hes called into question?

I think people who suggest such things on an internet footy forum need a dose of perspective.

That aside,I'm happy with my boy Ross and equally happy to say I have been since day 1.

The Fireman · Mon 06 Jul 2009 12:03am

Teflon wrote:
The Fireman wrote:GT bashers need to pull their heads in.
Why?

Hes an ex coach? he topical, in the media, free to comment on our club when he sees fit......why the nervousness when hes called into question?

I think people who suggest such things on an internet footy forum need a dose of perspective.

That aside,I'm happy with my boy Ross and equally happy to say I have been since day 1.

Anyone who bags someone who has had a positive effect on the club in any way or form , past present or future isn't much of a clubman in my eyes.
That's why.

saintsRrising · Mon 06 Jul 2009 12:08am

BigMart wrote:They were the best ruckmen available that we could afford and we were trying to acquire one after the loss of Everitt.....

recruited by the recruiting Dept....

Capuano was before his time.....he sacked him
Knobel was for pick #48 and couldn't get into the preiership team...
Ackland was a seriel underachiever at Port and was Pick #28...he finished 8th in the B&F in 2005.
Brooks was a First Rounder at Port secured when Everitt left......a touted junior he did his knee...
Michael Rix was recruited as a back up ruckman for pick 49 after making the VFL team of the year

Then there were rookies
Oliver....did not quite have the presence or size
Stone.....a backman who played well in the Ruck in the two's....super fit...not good enough
Van Reehanan.....a giant project kid who unfortunately got injured

if Ruckmen were not rated....why recruit so many in search of one....in the end he got frustrated and resorted to Blake and Kosi because at least they were AFL level footballers and said he did not rate useless ruckmen.

He actually believed after some of Kosi's dominant performances (2005) especially in the final against Sydney.....he would make a gun Follower, perhaps the best in the AFL.

So cutting to the chase...GT started with an elite ruckman..and ended up with Rix after a truckload of draft picks.

Obviously a master trader at work.

Teflon · Post: # 769481Post **Teflon** » Mon 06 Jul 2009 12:11am

The Fireman wrote:
Teflon wrote:
The Fireman wrote:GT bashers need to pull their heads in.
Why?

Hes an ex coach? he topical, in the media, free to comment on our club when he sees fit......why the nervousness when hes called into question?

I think people who suggest such things on an internet footy forum need a dose of perspective.

That aside,I'm happy with my boy Ross and equally happy to say I have been since day 1.
Anyone who bags someone who has had a positive effect on the club in any way or form , past present or future isn't much of a clubman in my eyes.
That's why.

Aww well boo hoo...lets never say Grant made a mistake then..FFS some get ridiculously precious. The guy botched our ruck set up for years - he had 5 to get it right. Why cant people get to grips with that?.....

The guy couldnt cut the mustard when it mattered most - thems the facts.

Im not sure the guys final "effects"on the club were positive btw

Im not a fan sycophantic "clubmen".

The Fireman · Mon 06 Jul 2009 12:13am

If you can't see the positives that GT bought to the club..mate..that's your problem. It's not about being sycophantic, it's about appreciating the positives someone brings to a club.
I don't think I'd like to have you in the trenches alongside me somehow.

felixleo · Post: # 769497Post **felixleo** » Mon 06 Jul 2009 12:15am

Even G.T. has acknowledged R.L. as the better coach so that should be dead and buried. The question is can ruckman win you games. We should give this a couple of different categories.
1. Tap ruckman only good for centre bounce and boundary throw ins. Lucky to stay a kick behind play but will give you a 70/30 chance of winning the clearance.
2. All rounder. 50/50 at the clearance but can stay a kick behind, reads the play well and can take a mark.
3. The competitor. Modern day ruckman who rarely wins a tap to advantage but can compete and has groundskills. Can run all day take a grab and on occasion kick a goal. Surprisingly not much taller than the ruckmen of years gone by.
Lastly pick now a)Aaron Sandilands b)Michael Gardiner c)Dean Cox or d)Hamish Mcintosh