Wouldn't mind seeing Begley get some game time, but not at the expense of Blake...far too flexible. Do we have any other utilities who can play back, ruck or forward? Next closest is BJ.
Other than Belgley (I have no idea how he is performing in the VFL), what other small/mid backline options do we have? Dempster won't be back this year, so please don't bring him up. Anyone???
Blake must go out!
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
Violent Stool
- Club Player
- Posts: 86
- Joined: Thu 05 Jul 2007 10:53am
-
jonesy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4655
- Joined: Sun 18 Jun 2006 2:04pm
- Location: Melb
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
As good a stopper as max is he is absolutley no match up for Stevie J. He'd beat him in the air,but get murdered everywhere else. Johnson is virtually another midfielder these days. Max doesn't have the tank and it would be a suicidal match upViolent Stool wrote:Max is the absolute perfect matchup for Johnson.Con Gorozidis wrote:well all will be revealed in round 14. our over-sized backline will be exposed. but i agree max can play small. maybe max on stevie j?
Bring back the Lockett era
-
saintly_safes
- Club Player
- Posts: 684
- Joined: Sat 26 Jul 2008 9:44pm
Imo I dont like how we are openly shooting down some of the real stalwarts of our club. We are 12 & zip yet were ready to throw Bakes ,Blake,Max,Maguire on to the scrap heap. These guys have been the back bone of the club for near on a decade . I will agree some are in the twilight of there afl careers but dont deserve the criticism that they are getting ,at least not from saint supporters 
yeah, get burkey and stewie back out on the field. they were stalwarts of the club for more than a decade!saintly_safes wrote:Imo I dont like how we are openly shooting down some of the real stalwarts of our club. We are 12 & zip yet were ready to throw Bakes ,Blake,Max,Maguire on to the scrap heap. These guys have been the back bone of the club for near on a decade . I will agree some are in the twilight of there afl careers but dont deserve the criticism that they are getting ,at least not from saint supporters
or maybe they don't quite deserve a game any more. past glories are all very well, but it's how you're actually performing now that matters.
incidentally, maguire's only played 99 games. gram's played 88 and x clarke's played 105, does that make them the "back bone of the club" as well?
-
saintly_safes
- Club Player
- Posts: 684
- Joined: Sat 26 Jul 2008 9:44pm
If you read the first word of the post its says "imo" So what ,you dont agree with it but why high & mighty approachbergholt wrote:yeah, get burkey and stewie back out on the field. they were stalwarts of the club for more than a decade!saintly_safes wrote:Imo I dont like how we are openly shooting down some of the real stalwarts of our club. We are 12 & zip yet were ready to throw Bakes ,Blake,Max,Maguire on to the scrap heap. These guys have been the back bone of the club for near on a decade . I will agree some are in the twilight of there afl careers but dont deserve the criticism that they are getting ,at least not from saint supporters
or maybe they don't quite deserve a game any more. past glories are all very well, but it's how you're actually performing now that matters.
incidentally, maguire's only played 99 games. gram's played 88 and x clarke's played 105, does that make them the "back bone of the club" as well?
I dont agree with most things you post but I dont treat you with contempt because I dont agree with you it's not contempt. it's the internet. everything posted on here is opinion, and i happen to disagree with this one of yours. so i said so. is that wrong?saintly_safes wrote:If you read the first word of the post its says "imo" So what ,you dont agree with it but why high & mighty approach
-
degruch
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8948
- Joined: Mon 19 May 2008 4:29pm
- Location: Croydonia
- Has thanked: 146 times
- Been thanked: 237 times
None of you guys have got a freakin' clue, have ya?degruch wrote:Wouldn't mind seeing Begley get some game time, but not at the expense of Blake...far too flexible. Do we have any other utilities who can play back, ruck or forward? Next closest is BJ.
Other than Belgley (I have no idea how he is performing in the VFL), what other small/mid backline options do we have? Dempster won't be back this year, so please don't bring him up. Anyone???
-
saintspremiers
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 25303
- Joined: Tue 01 Feb 2005 4:25pm
- Location: Trump Tower
- Has thanked: 142 times
- Been thanked: 284 times
I love Max's ability to spoil and watch and mark his opponent.
He is probably the best defender in the AFL in that particular regard.
Where Max has issues is his leg speed (due to age) and his disposal.
Max is a not a hard, penertrating kick (he often kicks it high, which makes a speedy switch to the other side for a quick counter-attack difficult).
So....
IF Max stays (which is probably the way to go), we need to base our defence around his limitations, and have support close by to get those fast counter attacks going.
He is probably the best defender in the AFL in that particular regard.
Where Max has issues is his leg speed (due to age) and his disposal.
Max is a not a hard, penertrating kick (he often kicks it high, which makes a speedy switch to the other side for a quick counter-attack difficult).
So....
IF Max stays (which is probably the way to go), we need to base our defence around his limitations, and have support close by to get those fast counter attacks going.
None of you guys have got a freakin' clue, have ya?[/quote]degruch wrote:Other than Belgley (I have no idea how he is performing in the VFL), what other small/mid backline options do we have? Dempster won't be back this year, so please don't bring him up. Anyone???
was that a serious question? the obvious first option is miles. he's been emergency a few times already this year after being promoted from the rookie list, so obviously they see something in him.
-
degruch
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8948
- Joined: Mon 19 May 2008 4:29pm
- Location: Croydonia
- Has thanked: 146 times
- Been thanked: 237 times
was that a serious question? the obvious first option is miles. he's been emergency a few times already this year after being promoted from the rookie list, so obviously they see something in him.[/quote]bergholt wrote:None of you guys have got a freakin' clue, have ya?degruch wrote:Other than Belgley (I have no idea how he is performing in the VFL), what other small/mid backline options do we have? Dempster won't be back this year, so please don't bring him up. Anyone???
Oh yes...I'm deadly serious. With all this talk of dropping Blake (not a great idea IMO) now dissolving into a 'how great is maax' sesh, I'm wondering what happened to the original concept of a smaller backline...had anyone even seen to options in action??? So, thanks for your opinion Bergholt, I'd be interested to see if the Tigers are considered short enough on the forward line to force a change next week...if so, does Miles come in?
-
bigcarl
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18540
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1864 times
- Been thanked: 830 times
-
vacuous space
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3465
- Joined: Fri 29 Oct 2004 1:01pm
- Has thanked: 91 times
- Been thanked: 162 times
When was the last time he actually did? I remember Nathan Brown saying that Max was one of the toughest defenders he'd ever faced (along with James Clement), but I don't remember the last time Max played on Nathan Brown. Other than the occasional undersized key forward - like Welsh or Robbo - I can't think of anybody he's played on in recent years who could be described as small.Saints43 wrote:Max can play on a small, fast forward.
Max doesn't like to leave defensive 50. Most smalls these days push up the ground for at least some of the game. He's much better suited to playing on talls these days.
Yeah nah pleasing positive
Exactly. Smalls dont play in the forward pocket anymore and Max can only play last line of defence. He is only suited to stay at home forwards.vacuous space wrote:When was the last time he actually did? I remember Nathan Brown saying that Max was one of the toughest defenders he'd ever faced (along with James Clement), but I don't remember the last time Max played on Nathan Brown. Other than the occasional undersized key forward - like Welsh or Robbo - I can't think of anybody he's played on in recent years who could be described as small.Saints43 wrote:Max can play on a small, fast forward.
Max doesn't like to leave defensive 50. Most smalls these days push up the ground for at least some of the game. He's much better suited to playing on talls these days.
-
saintly_safes
- Club Player
- Posts: 684
- Joined: Sat 26 Jul 2008 9:44pm
No it not wrong, its what the site is for. Its the derogatory way that you imply that your opinion is right & if you disagree then your a loser.I suppose its the way the world is going, its a shame that people have to be so blunt & opinionated to explain their point of view especially when were on the same sidebergholt wrote:it's not contempt. it's the internet. everything posted on here is opinion, and i happen to disagree with this one of yours. so i said so. is that wrong?saintly_safes wrote:If you read the first word of the post its says "imo" So what ,you dont agree with it but why high & mighty approach
-
AnythingsPossibleSaints
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3152
- Joined: Tue 02 Jun 2009 2:44am
- Location: Next to what's next to me.
- Has thanked: 71 times
- Been thanked: 35 times
It depends which way Johnson played. Some weeks he's been playing more of a midfield role (like when he had about 30 possies and 1 or no goals, a few weeks ago) and others weeks he's staying pretty much permanently inside 50 (like the following week, where they said he had about 9 possies, but kicked about 6 goals.) If he played that role, I'd start Max on him for sure. He'd be my ideal match up, out of almost anyone in the league, if Johnson was staying mostly inside 50.jonesy wrote:As good a stopper as max is he is absolutley no match up for Stevie J. He'd beat him in the air,but get murdered everywhere else. Johnson is virtually another midfielder these days. Max doesn't have the tank and it would be a suicidal match upViolent Stool wrote:Max is the absolute perfect matchup for Johnson.Con Gorozidis wrote:well all will be revealed in round 14. i agree max can play small. maybe max on stevie j?
YOU GET WHAT YOU SETTLE FOR.
-
saintly_safes
- Club Player
- Posts: 684
- Joined: Sat 26 Jul 2008 9:44pm
saintly_safes wrote:No its not wrong, its what the site is for. Its the derogatory way that you imply that your opinion is right & if you disagree then your a loser.I suppose its the way the world is going, its a shame that people have to be so blunt & opinionated to explain their point of view especially when were on the same sidebergholt wrote:it's not contempt. it's the internet. everything posted on here is opinion, and i happen to disagree with this one of yours. so i said so. is that wrong?saintly_safes wrote:If you read the first word of the post its says "imo" So what ,you dont agree with it but why high & mighty approach
Being a bit rough on BJ, Ball, Fisher and Gilbert and probably going a bit early on Baker. I know you are trying to make a point but think you may be missing one also. The point of the OP has more to do with team structure and having to drop a tall than Blakes form. He is just the unlucky one that some think needs to go.jay young wrote:S Fisher L Ball S Gilbert B Goddard S Baker are playing average at the moment as well its not just Jason .
Maybe this year?
-
saint patrick
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4338
- Joined: Sun 14 Mar 2004 5:20pm
- Location: mt.martha
Would rather see McEnvoy dropped at this stage than Blake to be honest...
With Blake taking a relieving Ruck Rover type role or switching to defence as required.
Understand that Macs development is important but that can take place naturally over the next few years.
No disresect to the kid but he still has a way to go.
With King returning in 3 weeks his opportunitys will be limited this year.
I think that Blakes courage, flexibility and gut running for now are better value to where we are at the minute.
Watched the replay of the Carlton game and Blakey still did some crucial 1% ers that justify him staying in the squad for now.
With Blake taking a relieving Ruck Rover type role or switching to defence as required.
Understand that Macs development is important but that can take place naturally over the next few years.
No disresect to the kid but he still has a way to go.
With King returning in 3 weeks his opportunitys will be limited this year.
I think that Blakes courage, flexibility and gut running for now are better value to where we are at the minute.
Watched the replay of the Carlton game and Blakey still did some crucial 1% ers that justify him staying in the squad for now.
Never take a backward step even to gain momentum.....
'It's OK to have the capabilities and abilities, but you've got to get it done." Terry Daniher 05
"We have beauty in our captain and we have a true leader in our coach. Our time will come"
Thinline.Post 09 Grand final.
'It's OK to have the capabilities and abilities, but you've got to get it done." Terry Daniher 05
"We have beauty in our captain and we have a true leader in our coach. Our time will come"
Thinline.Post 09 Grand final.
-
perfectionist
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9000
- Joined: Mon 30 Jul 2007 3:06pm
- Has thanked: 59 times
- Been thanked: 345 times
Be careful, you will be abused for attacking a "sacred cow". We all saw Max's strength last week - close checking and "the punch". Unfortunately, the opposing team kicked more goals on us than any other this year. This was due to Max's teammates dropping sitters or refusing to go for a contested mark, meaning more opportunities for Carlton's little blokes on the ground - which they took. I just hope that Max's teammates realise that just because he can't take a contested mark that this does not mean that no-one else should either. Alas, the evidence in the last 10 years is not good. The best role for Max is a bit role. We need a leader on the back line who is prepared, and skilled enough, to do the right thing at the right time - mark or punch. Sam Fisher should have taken on this role, but we all saw how he has played in the last two weeks. Zac Dawson might, but a certain "ego" is going to have to make a big call in the the interests of the club.saintspremiers wrote:I love Max's ability to spoil and watch and mark his opponent.
He is probably the best defender in the AFL in that particular regard.
Where Max has issues is his leg speed (due to age) and his disposal.
Max is a not a hard, penertrating kick (he often kicks it high, which makes a speedy switch to the other side for a quick counter-attack difficult).
So....
IF Max stays (which is probably the way to go), we need to base our defence around his limitations, and have support close by to get those fast counter attacks going.