He had the ball. Not sure King had the ball. I think there may be a little difference.SaintDippa wrote:If King goes due to the accidential contact is Raph also in trouble ? Head contact and the bloke is off and in hospital.
Does Raph owe a duty of care?
Why no hysteria?
David Swartz Hangs King for four weeks on SEN
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
ace
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10783
- Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 31 times
- Been thanked: 830 times
plugger66 wrote:Surely someone can work out the points. Does he have a 5 year good record?
Steven King, St Kilda, has been charged with a Level Two striking offence against Ashley Hansen, West Coast, during the fourth quarter of the Round Three match between St Kilda and West Coast, played at Docklands on Saturday April 11, 2009.
In summary, his five-year good record means he can accept a reprimand and 70.31 points towards his future record.
The incident was assessed as reckless conduct (two points), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points). This is a total of five activation points, resulting in a classification of a Level Two offence, drawing 125 demerit points and a one-match sanction. He has an existing five-year good record, which reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a reprimand and 93.75 points towards his future record. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a reprimand and 70.31 points towards his future record.
Far from having a good record, accepting that reprimand gives him a bad record including the bonus penalties that come with a bad record plus 70.31 points already on his record.Steven King, St Kilda, has accepted a reprimand and 70.31 points towards his future record for striking Ashley Hansen, West Coast, during the fourth quarter of the round three match between St Kilda and West Coast.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
-
SaintDippa
- Club Player
- Posts: 875
- Joined: Sun 20 Aug 2006 10:28pm
- Location: Mean Streets of Ringwood North
- Has thanked: 187 times
- Been thanked: 116 times
-
ace
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10783
- Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 31 times
- Been thanked: 830 times
Raph is safe, he had the ball and did not "don't argue".SaintDippa wrote:If King goes due to the accidential contact is Raph also in trouble ? Head contact and the bloke is off and in hospital.
Does Raph owe a duty of care?
Why no hysteria?
The opponent lowered his head to make a rugby style tackle.
It is that player who owes himself a duty of care.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
He is able to block within 5 metres but the rule was changed this year that you are responsible for any damage that occurs. That is the problem. He accidently knocked out a guy off the ball so he takes the responsibilty for that. If nothing had happened the AFL would have let it go even though it is further than 5 metres away.SaintDippa wrote:Plugger, you seem to know all. If King was blocking for Gram's space, at what point is he able to make body contact? 5m?
His bad record will probably mean an extra 2 weeks which is the real problem.
-
Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12796
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 803 times
- Been thanked: 432 times
I wonder if the video footage would support the notion that Power initiated the contact by running at/into King?plugger66 wrote:He is able to block within 5 metres but the rule was changed this year that you are responsible for any damage that occurs. That is the problem. He accidently knocked out a guy off the ball so he takes the responsibilty for that. If nothing had happened the AFL would have let it go even though it is further than 5 metres away.SaintDippa wrote:Plugger, you seem to know all. If King was blocking for Gram's space, at what point is he able to make body contact? 5m?
His bad record will probably mean an extra 2 weeks which is the real problem.
If so, then there would be, IMO, no case for King to answer in that he didn't initiate any contact.
AFAIK there is no rule that says you must get out of the way of someone running at you?
No doubt if Power ran into King he would have no case to answer but I have seen it at least 5 times and to me and a few others on here and it seems just about everyone else in the media it is clearly King who initiates contact. That is where the problem lies.Mr Magic wrote:I wonder if the video footage would support the notion that Power initiated the contact by running at/into King?plugger66 wrote:He is able to block within 5 metres but the rule was changed this year that you are responsible for any damage that occurs. That is the problem. He accidently knocked out a guy off the ball so he takes the responsibilty for that. If nothing had happened the AFL would have let it go even though it is further than 5 metres away.SaintDippa wrote:Plugger, you seem to know all. If King was blocking for Gram's space, at what point is he able to make body contact? 5m?
His bad record will probably mean an extra 2 weeks which is the real problem.
If so, then there would be, IMO, no case for King to answer in that he didn't initiate any contact.
AFAIK there is no rule that says you must get out of the way of someone running at you?
-
ace
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10783
- Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 31 times
- Been thanked: 830 times
Ouch! King had a duty of care to avoid head high contact even if it was with his head.saint patrick wrote:Robbo reckons 5 weeksEastern wrote:Ox & Mark Robinson are doing their bit to hang Kingy on "Game Day" !!
...its a complete joke...
everytime its shown it looks a regulation bump with elbow tucked in...
Joey said Kingy has a bruise on his face from a clash of heads in the contact...
if King goes for this will prove that trial by boofheads in the media exists...
doesn't deserve any suspension.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
They showed in on Channel 9 and he was clearly knocked out before he hit the ground so we cannot even use that. It was an accidental clash of heads initiated by King off the ball and that is where the problem lies plus of course his poor record this year.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Is it possible that the majority of damage was done when his head hit the ground? I get that King is a solid guy, but the footage actually doesn't look as bad as everyone is making out?
-
Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12796
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 803 times
- Been thanked: 432 times
Well if that is the case then I suggest we go out now and employ David Grace QC who seems to have an unmatched record at the Tribunal in controversial cases.plugger66 wrote:No doubt if Power ran into King he would have no case to answer but I have seen it at least 5 times and to me and a few others on here and it seems just about everyone else in the media it is clearly King who initiates contact. That is where the problem lies.Mr Magic wrote:I wonder if the video footage would support the notion that Power initiated the contact by running at/into King?plugger66 wrote:He is able to block within 5 metres but the rule was changed this year that you are responsible for any damage that occurs. That is the problem. He accidently knocked out a guy off the ball so he takes the responsibilty for that. If nothing had happened the AFL would have let it go even though it is further than 5 metres away.SaintDippa wrote:Plugger, you seem to know all. If King was blocking for Gram's space, at what point is he able to make body contact? 5m?
His bad record will probably mean an extra 2 weeks which is the real problem.
If so, then there would be, IMO, no case for King to answer in that he didn't initiate any contact.
AFAIK there is no rule that says you must get out of the way of someone running at you?
Afterall he managed to get Adam Selwood and Des Headland off charges even when the Tribunal deemed Selwood never said what Headland heard which caused him to chase and punch Selwood.
If there is no defence to the charges then we have to get as clever as the other Clubs who have successfully argued similar open/shut cases.
The admin need to demonstrate that the 'amateur hour' process the previous board seemed to provide in such cases is now consigned to history.
Gotta say, the commentary between Schwarze and Brownless yesterday was some of the worst I have had the misfortune to hear. The open bias shown towards commentators and their 'clubs' is getting ridiculous. Eddie MacGuire was slammed for his commentary and bias towards Collingwood when he was calling there games and I have to say that he was/is nowhere near as bad as some of the commentators we have presently.
The 2 commentators I actually enjoy listening to are Nathan Thompson and James Hird. Great insights to the game and they leave their loyalties at the door. A few AFL media commentators need to take a leaf out of their books.
The 2 commentators I actually enjoy listening to are Nathan Thompson and James Hird. Great insights to the game and they leave their loyalties at the door. A few AFL media commentators need to take a leaf out of their books.