Coaches Votes

[jackal]

I look forward to this each week on afl.com at someone with more time on their hands should make it a sticky. This week was interesting with the coaches (Lyon and Voss) only agreeing on one player as being in the top 5 (Lenny)

St Kilda v Brisbane Lions
7 Hayes (St K)
5 Ball (St K)
5 Montagna (St K)
4 Brennan (Bris)
3 Adcock (Bris)
2 Drummond (Bris)
2 Sherman (Bris)
1 S Gilbert (St K)
1 Koschitzke (St K)

I reckon Lyon rated BAll #1 and Voss rated Monty BOG and it gets interesting there after. Not sure who rated Brennan and who Adcock (as they both chose LenDog) but like Monty, Brennan was the more flamboyant player so more likely to be picked by the opposition coach while a number of hard workers were rewarded by their team.
And look..no Roo (afl.com has him in their Best 22 of all games).

Love seeing how coaches view things from their box.

Any Comments?

[Spinner]

Very interesting on second glance.

Clearly as you have depicted the votes went something like below:


Coach 1:
5 - Ball
4 - Brennan
3 - Hayes
2 - Sherman
1 - Koschitzke

Coach 2:
5 - Montagna
4 - Hayes
3 - Adcock
2 - Drummond
1 - Gilbert


A large variety of players there.....Gee, makes me feel better when I find it hard to nominate the best for each week. The coaches clearly didn't have eachothers best player in their own top five.....

Great post and awesome observation Jackal.

[perfectionist]

Can you post the votes from Round 1 until now? Or is there some single link to all rounds voting at afl.com?

[Eastern]

And look..no Roo (afl.com has him in their Best 22 of all games).



Any Comments?

Is there a link to this? I can't find it !!

[jackal]

These links are hard to find. I would like to do a tally as we would have a ton of players rated. Also the Heraldsun would have a number of players with votes too.

[jackal]

can't find round 1,2 and 4. But the other rounds we have 15 individuals who have polled votes

[saintbrat]

rd 5
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

rd 8
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

would be easier to find if they started the article with the same heading each week
or put them in one spot on afl.com

rd 6
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... ches+votes

more here
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=50925

[perfectionist]

Found Round 2
Adelaide v St Kilda
9 Nick Dal Santo (St K)
8 Justin Koschitzke (St K)
7 Tyson Edwards (Adel)
2 Nathan Bock (Adel)
2 Jason Gram (St K)
1 Steven Baker (St K)
1 Sam Fisher (St K)

and with the others from above
Round 5
Port Adelaide v St Kilda
9 Lenny Hayes (St K)
8 Nick Riewoldt (St K)
7 Sam Fisher (St K)
4 Jason Gram (St K)
1 Stephen Milne (St K)
1 Zac Dawson (St K)

Round 6
Western Bulldogs v St Kilda
9 Goddard (St K)
9 Riewoldt (St K)
4 Gilbert (St K)
4 Ray (St K)
3 Gram (St K)
1 Harbrow (WB)

Round 8
St Kilda v Essendon
8 Watson (Ess)
6 Hayes (St K)
4 Koschitzke (St K)
4 Riewoldt (St K)
3 Jones (St K)
3 Dempsey (Ess)
2 S Fisher (St K)

[bergholt]

they're all on the results/ladder pages of the footy records if anyone's got them. i happen to have the footy record sitting here from round 4 with votes from round 3:

Round 3: St Kilda v West Coast
10 Goddard
6 Dal Santo
6 Riewoldt
5 Montagna
3 Gilbert

both coaches agreed on the best!

[saintbrat]

++

they're all on the results/ladder pages of the footy records if anyone's got them. i happen to have the footy record sitting here from round 4 with votes from round 3:

I don't get many Records but did get rd 8 - because it had a large saints article

so for Rd 7 - which seems to be the only one missing
vs Magpies
10 Montagna
6 Hayes
5 Schneider
4 Dal Santo
4 Riewoldt
1 Gilbert

[perfectionist]

Round 1 & 4?

[saintbrat]

amongst here http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=50925
RD 2
Adelaide v St Kilda
9 Nick Dal Santo (St K)
8 Justin Koschitzke (St K)
7 Tyson Edwards (Adel)
2 Nathan Bock (Adel)
2 Jason Gram (St K)
1 Steven Baker (St K)
1 Sam Fisher (St K)


Rd 4
St Kilda v Fremantle
9 Dal Santo (St K)
8 Montagna (St K)
6 Riewoldt (St K)
3 Gilbert (St K)
2 Ball (St K)
1 S Fisher (St K)
1 C Jones (St K)

[BackFromUSA]

ok can someone talented with cut & paste and maths ... put that in order Rd 1 to 9 and create total votes for Saints players?

[jackal]

OK we played Swans not crows rnd 1.
I'll total up the rest now

[jackal]

Points, Polling Games, Name (from 8 out of the 9 games missing rnd 1. 16 players have polled (so whoever is left is the bottom 6 right?!

28 4 Hayes
7 2 Ball
28 4 Joey
37 6 Roo
4 2 CJ
9 3 Gram
11 4 Fish
12 5 Gilbert
13 3 Kosi
4 1 Ray
5 1 Schneider
19 2 Goddard
28 4 Dal
1 1 Milne
1 1 Dawson
1 1 Baker

[saintbrat]

note to self - do not get interested in research thread whilst writing reports

[BackFromUSA]

So this means the leader board without Game 1 v Swans is:

37 (6) Roo
28 (4) Dal
28 (4) Hayes
28 (4) Joey
19 (2) Goddard
13 (3) Kosi
12 (5) Gilbert
11 (4) S. Fisher
9 (3) Gram
7 (2) Ball
5 (1) Schneider
4 (2) CJ
4 (1) Ray
1 (1) Milne
1 (1) Dawson
1 (1) Baker

Correct if this is wrong!

[saintbrat]

Round 1
St Kilda Vs Sydney
10- Nick Dal Santo ( given that he was on 19 after rd 2 and got 9 in rd 2)
?
?
?


Round 2
Adelaide v St Kilda
9 Nick Dal Santo (St K)
8 Justin Koschitzke (St K)
7 Tyson Edwards (Adel)
2 Nathan Bock (Adel)
2 Jason Gram (St K)
1 Steven Baker (St K)
1 Sam Fisher (St K)

Round 3
St Kilda v West Coast
10 Goddard
6 Dal Santo
6 Riewoldt
5 Montagna
3 Gilbert


Round 4
St Kilda v Fremantle
9 Dal Santo (St K)
8 Montagna (St K)
6 Riewoldt (St K)
3 Gilbert (St K)
2 Ball (St K)
1 S Fisher (St K)
1 C Jones (St K)

Round 5
Port Adelaide v St Kilda
9 Lenny Hayes (St K)
8 Nick Riewoldt (St K)
7 Sam Fisher (St K)
4 Jason Gram (St K)
1 Stephen Milne (St K)
1 Zac Dawson (St K)

Round 6
Western Bulldogs v St Kilda
9 Goddard (St K)
9 Riewoldt (St K)
4 Gilbert (St K)
4 Ray (St K)
3 Gram (St K)
1 Harbrow (WB)

Round 7
St Kilda vs Magpies
10 Montagna
6 Hayes
5 Schneider
4 Dal Santo
4 Riewoldt
1 Gilbert

Round 8
St Kilda v Essendon
8 Watson (Ess)
6 Hayes (St K)
4 Koschitzke (St K)
4 Riewoldt (St K)
3 Jones (St K)
3 Dempsey (Ess)
2 S Fisher (St K)

Round 9
St Kilda v Brisbane Lions
7 Hayes (St K)
5 Ball (St K)
5 Montagna (St K)
4 Brennan (Bris)
3 Adcock (Bris)
2 Drummond (Bris)
2 Sherman (Bris)
1 S Gilbert (St K)
1 Koschitzke (St K)

So this means the leader board without Game 1 v Swans is:

37 (6) Roo
28 (4) Dal
28 (4) Hayes
28 (4) Joey
19 (2) Goddard
13 (3) Kosi
12 (5) Gilbert
11 (4) S. Fisher
9 (3) Gram
7 (2) Ball
5 (1) Schneider
4 (2) CJ
4 (1) Ray
1 (1) Milne
1 (1) Dawson
1 (1) Baker

Correct if this is wrong!

only differance would be that 10 to Dal rd 1- making him 38- but also unknown how many other saints got votes.

[perfectionist]

Finally found Round 1:

St Kilda v Sydney Swans
10 Nick Dal Santo (St K)
8 Brendon Goddard (St K)
4 Sam Gilbert (St K)
3 Luke Ball (St K)
3 Farren Ray (St K)
1 Zac Dawson (St K)
1 Craig Bolton (Syd)

So the tally to Round 9 is

Nick Dal Santo 38 (5)
Nick Riewoldt 37 (6)
Lenny Hayes 28 (4)
Leigh Montagna 28 (4)
Brendon Goddard 27 (3)
Justin Koschitzke 13 (3)
Sam Gilbert 12 (4)
Sam Fisher 11 (4)
Luke Ball 10 (3)
Jason Gram 9 (3)
Farren Ray 7 (2)
Adam Schneider 5 (1)
Clinton Jones 4 (2)
Zac Dawson 2 (2)
Steven Baker 1 (1)
Stephen Milne 1 (1)

For comparison, and bearing in mind the different voting system, here is the Saintsational Leader Board:

Leigh Montagna 21
Nick Dal Santo 20
Nick Riewoldt 19
Lenny Hayes 18
Brendon Goddard 10
Justin Koschitzke 10
Sam Gilbert 10
Clinton Jones 6
Farren Ray 6
Michael Gardiner 6
Sam Fisher 3
Jarryn Geary 2
Adam Schneider 1
Stephen Milne 1
Steven Baker 1
Zac Dawson 1

There is one glaring difference - Luke Ball. Polled in three games from the coaches and none from Saintsational!

[bergholt]

So the tally to Round 9 is

Nick Dal Santo 38 (5)
Nick Riewoldt 37 (6)
Lenny Hayes 28 (4)
Leigh Montagna 28 (4)
Brendon Goddard 27 (3)
Justin Koschitzke 13 (3)
Sam Gilbert 12 (4)
Sam Fisher 11 (4)
Luke Ball 10 (3)
Jason Gram 9 (3)
Farren Ray 7 (2)
Adam Schneider 5 (1)
Clinton Jones 4 (2)
Zac Dawson 2 (2)
Steven Baker 1 (1)
Stephen Milne 1 (1)

sterling work by all concerned to dredge up these votes!

interesting to see that coaches don't really rank ruckmen, apparently. no votes for either of gardy or king (or mcevoy, i guess) despite them being imo a big factor in our success this year. but admittedly none have really had a standout performance.

also not as many votes for jones as i would have expected. hard to remember the tagger. and gram, despite being (maybe) dropped is tenth on the coaches leaderboard.

[saintly]

i wonder what it was like by round 9 in 2008?

[starsign]

interesting synopsis on Luke Ball

Jon Ralph for whatever its worth. plus another media scribe, i cant recall. gave Bally BOG sunday and both coaches recognized his worth
I must admit (and I went this week) i didnt have him in my 5 but rewarded Gardiner who i thought was responsible for many of our clearances
So I guess I like many others here probably dont give him due credit for all the in and under hard stuff he no doubt does and perhaps its just a bit harder to pick up But you just gotta love the guy , who I recon is not still 100% in the groin ,and its a management issue with him But who else does it better in the AFL at present? Judd ? he doesnt seem to get right in and under as much though!
any thoughts?

[ace]

Very interesting on second glance.

Clearly as you have depicted the votes went something like below:


Coach 1:
5 - Ball
4 - Brennan
3 - Hayes
2 - Sherman
1 - Koschitzke

Coach 2:
5 - Montagna
4 - Hayes
3 - Adcock
2 - Drummond
1 - Gilbert


A large variety of players there.....Gee, makes me feel better when I find it hard to nominate the best for each week. The coaches clearly didn't have each others best player in their own top five.....

Great post and awesome observation Jackal.

Yes your votes are the only combination that works.
But we don't know who gave the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Those votes could have been swapped between coaches.

Amazing that one coach had Ball 5, Montagna 5, Brennan 4 but these 3 players were ignored by the other coach.
And Hayes was the only player that the coaches agreed was top 5.
Shows how important it is to be noticed if you want a Brownlow or other award.


Of course these may not be Lyon's and Voss's votes they may have been delgated to an assistant.
Malthouse admitted he delegated the task.

[perfectionist]

...Amazing that one coach had Ball 5, Montagna 5, Brennan 4 but these 3 players were ignored by the other coach.
And Hayes was the only player that the coaches agreed was top 5.
Shows how important it is to be noticed if you want a Brownlow or other award....

I think the breakdown is only the poster's guess. We are only told the totals, not the individual's votes.

On the broader issue, for much of this year I have had real trouble LEAVING PLAYERS OUT of my votes. And on many occasions, it's been real toss up as to the placings as well. I suspect others have experienced the same "problem". May we continue to have this "problem" forever and a day!

[bergholt]

...Amazing that one coach had Ball 5, Montagna 5, Brennan 4 but these 3 players were ignored by the other coach.
And Hayes was the only player that the coaches agreed was top 5.
Shows how important it is to be noticed if you want a Brownlow or other award....

I think the breakdown is only the poster's guess. We are only told the totals, not the individual's votes.

nope. the only guess there is who gave which votes. but there's only one way those votes could have broken down and that's:

5: ball, montagna
4: brennan, hayes
3: adcock, hayes
2: drummond, sherman
1: gilbert, koschitzke

so ace is right that nine out of ten players were recognised by only one coach, and the only player who was in both votes wasn't top of either. very even performance from both sides, i guess.