Possible roles for Armitage
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Possible roles for Armitage
I am thinking there are a couple of roles Armo could take on,
One would be taking on a role like Gwilt, applying forward pressure, being a link man…but hopefully be able to score more goals than Gwilt
The other would be taking on a role like Baker in the back line. He’s a tough nut with decent pace.
Worth a try?
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One would be taking on a role like Gwilt, applying forward pressure, being a link man…but hopefully be able to score more goals than Gwilt
The other would be taking on a role like Baker in the back line. He’s a tough nut with decent pace.
Worth a try?
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Not strong enough over head to play Gwilts role ( 3rd marking forward) .
Probably not quick enough or tight enough for backline.
He is a midfielder, hard in and under. He will get a chance, there will be injuries or suspensions at some stage then it will be if he is playing well enough and grabs his chance like Geary has.
Probably not quick enough or tight enough for backline.
He is a midfielder, hard in and under. He will get a chance, there will be injuries or suspensions at some stage then it will be if he is playing well enough and grabs his chance like Geary has.
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IMO he's competing with the inside mids at the moment
Hayes
Ball
McQualter ( to a lesser extent)
Given that the current gameplan rarely has Ball and Hayes in teh centre square together, Armo is going to struggle to get into the side unless either one of those 2 is out injured.
He doesn't seem to be competing with the outside mids
Dal
Joey
Geary
BJ
Gram
Eddy
Ray (to a lesser extent)
And he certainly isn't competing with the 'lock down' mids
CJ
McQualter
Bakes
Hayes
Ball
McQualter ( to a lesser extent)
Given that the current gameplan rarely has Ball and Hayes in teh centre square together, Armo is going to struggle to get into the side unless either one of those 2 is out injured.
He doesn't seem to be competing with the outside mids
Dal
Joey
Geary
BJ
Gram
Eddy
Ray (to a lesser extent)
And he certainly isn't competing with the 'lock down' mids
CJ
McQualter
Bakes
I'd prefer Armitage for Gwilt at this stage. There isn't as much marking power, but his skill, courage, ball winning ability and pace need to be noted. He's an absolute freak. If one of our small forwards (Milne, Schneider) goes down I'd have him playing forward, because he sure as hell knows where the goals are and can blow a game right open when he turns it on. Plus he can rotate through the midfeild, akin to Chapman at the Cats.
As an inside midfeilder, it will be a tough gig. Hayes and Ball are in outstanding form, and the third spot reserved, usually on the bench, is being held quite convincingly by McQualter, who is playing out of his skin this year.
We only need three main inside mids to bring in each game, and that's Armitage's role. At the moment we have three high quality players keeping him out.
As an inside midfeilder, it will be a tough gig. Hayes and Ball are in outstanding form, and the third spot reserved, usually on the bench, is being held quite convincingly by McQualter, who is playing out of his skin this year.
We only need three main inside mids to bring in each game, and that's Armitage's role. At the moment we have three high quality players keeping him out.
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I must have missed all hose overhead marks that Gwilt has been taking....older saint wrote:Not strong enough over head to play Gwilts role ( 3rd marking forward) .
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If they kick to Gwilt...it is because he is in space. Armo can do that.
One thing Gwilt has not been doing is kicking enough goals. Armo seems to have the knack of kicking goals...so as posted by me in another thread I would not mind seeing him tried asa HF.
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I just really want to see this kid play. I loved his efforts last year as an early gamer. He was always busting his guts out trying to make space, apply pressure and even bobbed up for a few goals here and there.
If anyone remembers a certain game last year when Armo sprinted about 100m trying to chase down a opposition player on the axcess one side wing well they would understand why his kicking efficiancy was lower than expected. This kid was huffing and puffing, blowing red in the face to get onto this guy, and you know what he did!
This is something we really missed at certain points of the season.
Have loved him ever since, i dont know what role he'll play atm or who has to come out as a result i would just love to see him running around
If anyone remembers a certain game last year when Armo sprinted about 100m trying to chase down a opposition player on the axcess one side wing well they would understand why his kicking efficiancy was lower than expected. This kid was huffing and puffing, blowing red in the face to get onto this guy, and you know what he did!
This is something we really missed at certain points of the season.
Have loved him ever since, i dont know what role he'll play atm or who has to come out as a result i would just love to see him running around
Do you know where Trevor Barker oval is?d roit wrote:I just really want to see this kid play.
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If anything I would have thought that our pressure, tackling and chasing is what has taken us to where we are this year! And as for goals from the midfield, we are getting plenty this year from a range of our mids, only Bally has really missed out, but I can't see him being left out of the side for ArmitageI just really want to see this kid play. I loved his efforts last year as an early gamer. He was always busting his guts out trying to make space, apply pressure and even bobbed up for a few goals here and there.
If anyone remembers a certain game last year when Armo sprinted about 100m trying to chase down a opposition player on the axcess one side wing well they would understand why his kicking efficiancy was lower than expected. This kid was huffing and puffing, blowing red in the face to get onto this guy, and you know what he did!
This is something we really missed at certain points of the season.
James wrote:I'd prefer Armitage for Gwilt at this stage. There isn't as much marking power, but his skill, courage, ball winning ability and pace need to be noted.
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Name one game he has blown open.James wrote: If one of our small forwards (Milne, Schneider) goes down I'd have him playing forward, because he sure as hell knows where the goals are and can blow a game right open when he turns it on.
And he is the new ChapmanJames wrote: Plus he can rotate through the midfeild, akin to Chapman at the Cats.
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But according to you he has pace, is a freak, can blow games open up forward and play in the mids as well.James wrote:We only need three main inside mids to bring in each game, and that's Armitage's role. At the moment we have three high quality players keeping him out.
My God we have the new Chris Judd on our hands and we wont play him.
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There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
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Your 100% right about that dont get me wrong. However, those were things we were missing last year and he attempted to provide them. That shows endeavourBringBackMadDog wrote:If anything I would have thought that our pressure, tackling and chasing is what has taken us to where we are this year! And as for goals from the midfield, we are getting plenty this year from a range of our mids, only Bally has really missed out, but I can't see him being left out of the side for ArmitageI just really want to see this kid play. I loved his efforts last year as an early gamer. He was always busting his guts out trying to make space, apply pressure and even bobbed up for a few goals here and there.
If anyone remembers a certain game last year when Armo sprinted about 100m trying to chase down a opposition player on the axcess one side wing well they would understand why his kicking efficiancy was lower than expected. This kid was huffing and puffing, blowing red in the face to get onto this guy, and you know what he did!
This is something we really missed at certain points of the season.
2008 against Essendon I watched him. He kicked a crunch goal in the final quarter and did his bit in the side.joffaboy wrote:Name one game he has blown open.
I never said that. I was just comparing the idea of Armitage playing forward to Chapman playing as a forward at the Cats. When mids are resting he could go into the midfeild, like Chapman does.And he is the new Chapman![]()
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Context. He definitely has potential to be as good as Judd (he WAS pick 9 after all) but I was just highlighting all of that because he certainly is a gifted and talented player - especially from what I've seen. Lyon is making the right choice at the moment - people are earning their place above him - but when it boils down to it, I reckon Armitage would do better than Gwilt at this stage.But according to you he has pace, is a freak, can blow games open up forward and play in the mids as well.
My God we have the new Chris Judd on our hands and we wont play him.
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And what's up with you mocking his pace. Every time I see him play he's lightning quick.
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Don't worry James, Joffa is either Jealous or a muppett. Why else would he ridicule a 20year old footballer trying to make his mark in Afl and get a spot in a side that is going great guns. I agree with your comments and would like to see him in. At the moment I don't see him coming in for a while but to make an example of him and make out he is a nobody is just lame. I would like to see his skills on show. I've played with Dave and if given the chance would clean you up with a good hip and shoulder. ha ![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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James nice to be optimistic but he doesn't have the potential to be Chris Judd. Doesn'T do your argument any good saying things like that.James wrote:2008 against Essendon I watched him. He kicked a crunch goal in the final quarter and did his bit in the side.joffaboy wrote:Name one game he has blown open.
I never said that. I was just comparing the idea of Armitage playing forward to Chapman playing as a forward at the Cats. When mids are resting he could go into the midfeild, like Chapman does.And he is the new Chapman![]()
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Context. He definitely has potential to be as good as Judd (he WAS pick 9 after all) but I was just highlighting all of that because he certainly is a gifted and talented player - especially from what I've seen. Lyon is making the right choice at the moment - people are earning their place above him - but when it boils down to it, I reckon Armitage would do better than Gwilt at this stage.But according to you he has pace, is a freak, can blow games open up forward and play in the mids as well.
My God we have the new Chris Judd on our hands and we wont play him.
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And what's up with you mocking his pace. Every time I see him play he's lightning quick.
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Gwilt may only be averaging 3+ marks a game but his role is a lead up forward who requires a marking backman to play on him. He at times is a decoy and have alook how many more times this season Roo adn Kosi are not going up against 2 or 3 players compared to last year.saintsRrising wrote:I must have missed all hose overhead marks that Gwilt has been taking....older saint wrote:Not strong enough over head to play Gwilts role ( 3rd marking forward) .
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If they kick to Gwilt...it is because he is in space. Armo can do that.
One thing Gwilt has not been doing is kicking enough goals. Armo seems to have the knack of kicking goals...so as posted by me in another thread I would not mind seeing him tried asa HF.
Opposition will not respect Armitage ability overhead and will zone off in contested areas on to Roo and Kosi.
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gwilt has inherited the role that sammy gilbert was earmarked for in the pre-season. might not be taking a lot of marks, but theoretically doing so is part of his job description as third tall forward.older saint wrote:Gwilt may only be averaging 3+ marks a game but his role is a lead up forward who requires a marking backman to play on him. He at times is a decoy and have alook how many more times this season Roo adn Kosi are not going up against 2 or 3 players compared to last year.saintsRrising wrote:I must have missed all hose overhead marks that Gwilt has been taking....older saint wrote:Not strong enough over head to play Gwilts role ( 3rd marking forward) .
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If they kick to Gwilt...it is because he is in space. Armo can do that.
One thing Gwilt has not been doing is kicking enough goals. Armo seems to have the knack of kicking goals...so as posted by me in another thread I would not mind seeing him tried asa HF.
Opposition will not respect Armitage ability overhead and will zone off in contested areas on to Roo and Kosi.
there's no rule to say that we must play that structure, but i'd prefer someone who can do a bit of both. ie, 1) provide a marking contest and 2) not be a total mug when hits the ground.
some goals would be handy as well.
bj would be fantastic in that role if you could ever spare him. gilbert would probably make a good fist of it, too, if you could spare him.
goose probably needs to be played in a key position.
raph would be a possibility.
lynch might be a chance down the track, but could be considered too green at the moment.
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One of the real issues with Gwilt is how the opposition view him.
If they view him as a danger then he causes the opposition to structure the way we want them to - dropping an extra defender in front of Roo.
If they don't view him as a danger then his man can leave him and become the extra man against Roo and allow the opposition to man up Fisher/BJ, which is not what we want.
Just think about the teams we've played.
Against Essendon I think it was McPhee who played on Gwilt. McPhee (and the coaches) decided to leave Gwilt and he became the extra against Roo after quarter time.
I'm not sure who Brisbane had on him - Drummond?
I'm pretty sure Geelong will use Harley/Milburn on him, on the basis that they are teh blokes they like to free up in their backline.
I'm pretty confident that if Gwilt was playing as well as an O'Keefe or Sammy Hammill, there'd be no thought from the opposition about leaving him alone.
Gwilt needs to punish the opposition for disrespecting him. Only after he punishes them will they show him any respect, which will in turn suit us.
IMHO, Armo will never attract the type of defender that the role Gwilt is playing does, because he is not that 'taller' type of player.
Gilbert would
Raph would
Lynch would
If they view him as a danger then he causes the opposition to structure the way we want them to - dropping an extra defender in front of Roo.
If they don't view him as a danger then his man can leave him and become the extra man against Roo and allow the opposition to man up Fisher/BJ, which is not what we want.
Just think about the teams we've played.
Against Essendon I think it was McPhee who played on Gwilt. McPhee (and the coaches) decided to leave Gwilt and he became the extra against Roo after quarter time.
I'm not sure who Brisbane had on him - Drummond?
I'm pretty sure Geelong will use Harley/Milburn on him, on the basis that they are teh blokes they like to free up in their backline.
I'm pretty confident that if Gwilt was playing as well as an O'Keefe or Sammy Hammill, there'd be no thought from the opposition about leaving him alone.
Gwilt needs to punish the opposition for disrespecting him. Only after he punishes them will they show him any respect, which will in turn suit us.
IMHO, Armo will never attract the type of defender that the role Gwilt is playing does, because he is not that 'taller' type of player.
Gilbert would
Raph would
Lynch would
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As far as I could tell, Drummond spent time on Gwilt, Mini and Schneider on Sunday. I don't think we made much effort to lock him down, and I don't think we've made much effort all year to lock down rebounders. It was definitely a focus last year, but we're much less of a lockdown team this year. We could have tried harder to get Mini on Drummond if we wanted to stop him.Mr Magic wrote:IMHO, Armo will never attract the type of defender that the role Gwilt is playing does, because he is not that 'taller' type of player.
Most of the guys who have played on Gwilt are guys who can play tall, but generally rebound off smalls. If we had Armo or Eddy up fron rather than Gwilt, I don't think it would make much difference to the way we're playing our forward line. Guys like Drummond, McPhee, Lake, etc are always going to drop in front of Roo and Kosi because they know we're trying to isolate them in even-numbered contests. They're going to hurt us the other way if we don't try and lock them down. We don't appear overly concerned at this stage though.
If we were going to bring in another small, my money would be on Eddy, not Armo. Eddy's played up there a lot more than Armo has. Armo's chance will come eventually, but I'd think it'd be in the centre rather than up front.
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McQualter and Geary have been playing the defensive half forward role who tags a player and tackles and pressures runners out of the backline, while kicking a few goals.
Geary has kicked 5.4 from 9 games with 32 tackles (compared with 0.3 and 13 tackles from his 10 games last year)
McQualter has kicked 8.3 from 9 games with 36 tackles (compared with 2.1 and 39 tackles from his 12 games last year)
IF Armitage was to come into the team, I would think he would play this role, as he is a good goal kicker (He kicked 10.6 with 43 tackles from 13 games last year).
I think Geary and McQualter are both playing well, and thus unless there is an injury in the midfield (L Ball, Dal, Montagna, Hayes, Ray, Gram), I don't see him getting a game soon...
Geary has kicked 5.4 from 9 games with 32 tackles (compared with 0.3 and 13 tackles from his 10 games last year)
McQualter has kicked 8.3 from 9 games with 36 tackles (compared with 2.1 and 39 tackles from his 12 games last year)
IF Armitage was to come into the team, I would think he would play this role, as he is a good goal kicker (He kicked 10.6 with 43 tackles from 13 games last year).
I think Geary and McQualter are both playing well, and thus unless there is an injury in the midfield (L Ball, Dal, Montagna, Hayes, Ray, Gram), I don't see him getting a game soon...
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I don't think either one is tagging anybody. It's not like Birss last year where you could see him actively seeking out a player. Those two seem to be focused on playing their games, winning the ball and contributing to the attack.hotdish wrote:McQualter and Geary have been playing the defensive half forward role who tags a player and tackles and pressures runners out of the backline, while kicking a few goals.
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