Who's our 11?

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I've looked in other threads and can't see this covered.

I read in the HS today that we are 8th on the "Indigenous Ladder" with 11 for indigenous players who have taken the field in league football.

Essendon and North Melbourne lead with 18 although if Brisbane and Fitzroy were combined they'd have 19.

Anyone know who the 11 are?

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Nicky Winmar
Phil Narkle

Gilbert McAdam
Russell Jeffrey
Jim Krakour
Kicket
Xavier Clarke
Raphael Clarke
Alan Murray
Jimmy Wandin was our first in 1952


anda ruckman

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We had a ruckman

Bob Jones

Also there were two McAdam's - Gilbert had an older brother - Greg

That makes 10

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Memories shared good and bad
By Nabila Ahmed
June 07 2003

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/ ... 87374.html






When the last baby born at the Healesville Aboriginal mission station moved to the big city to play football, there were only two other indigenous players in the league.

In 1952, the Queen had just acceded to the throne, it had not been long since Australian federal and state governments had agreed to implement a policy of assimilation for Aborigines, and Essendon's Norm McDonald, Melbourne's Eddie Jackson and St Kilda's 19-year-old recruit Jim Wandin were the only indigenous players in Australian football's premier competition.

The trio were not friends, but were brought together by a shared heritage and a common passion, recalled Wandin this week. "It was something I never experienced again. It was just one of those things that kids dream of you know, they dream of playing league football. And I did, I played," he said.

But Wandin, 69, the oldest surviving Aboriginal player to have played in the then VFL, wishes he could have played now, and not just because he suspects today's faster game would have better suited his lithe body and silky skills.

"They were pretty scarce then, you know, Aboriginals. There weren't many at all . . . You'd feel at home now," he said. The former Saint this week met the latest indigenous inclusion to Moorabbin, Allan Murray - one of 42 players of Aboriginal descent in the AFL living out the same dream as himself.



Greeting him with a warm handshake and a congratulatory backslap for last week's sensational four-goal debut, Wandin invited Murray into some of his most treasured memories, highlighting the good times - a young Ron Barassi was dropped after his woeful debut on the then St Kilda half-forward flanker - but also recalling the dark ones.

Reluctant to delve too much into memories of racial slurs, Wandin would say only that as a young country boy homesick for his family and friends, and a true Wurundjeri lad, league football could be a stark and lonely place.

"Opposition players would call you niggers and all that, the whole lot, Kooris and whatever week in, week out. Pretty rash things said, I can tell you.

"You had to just deal with it yourself, nothing like what Michael Long's got now going. You dealt with it, you just got on with the game."

Murray, who came to the Saints this year from Port Adelaide, said he had only once been abused for his skin colour in football - a fortnight ago, by Williamstown fans at a VFL match.

"They were just saying things like, 'There's a lizard on the tree, come and get it' . . . I was (shocked) actually. I thought all that racism and that was way in the past." Sydney's Adam Goodes says he has never been racially vilified in the AFL, this week telling The Age his transition to the elite level was made easier by the Swans having four Aboriginal players - including his cousin Michael O'Loughlin - in the side.

Goodes, whose mother Lisa May is a member of the stolen generation, is studying Aboriginal history at the Eora Centre in NSW and says better understanding and a shift in the way of thinking are the reasons behind the improved number of Aboriginal players in the AFL, who now make up 6.2 per cent of the league, in contrast to 2 per cent of the population.

"It's now a lot easier for young Aboriginal kids to come through the AFL system and just the footy system knowing that people can't use what you are - Aboriginal - or your religion against you in some sort of taunting way," Goodes said.

And even if they wanted to, it would serve only as an extra motivation for Aboriginal players, according to Murray, who, like Wandin, wants only to play better when taunted with racist jibes. "You try to block it out. I don't know, when I get 'compliments' like that, for some reason it makes me play better," he said.

Wandin said having faced racism all his life, particularly as a member of a Healesville team that fielded his brothers and cousins, there came a time when he stopped being angry.

"When I got a bit older, I said to myself 'they're calling me what I am!' They're not calling me a wog or anything, I'd jack up at that, I reckon.

"After a while, I just brushed them off. And they stopped calling me because they couldn't stop me! It made me play better."

Wandin, who gave up his football career after 17 games, in 1953, largely through homesickness, said he might have played longer had he had the support that Goodes, Murray and other present players enjoy.

But the Ngurungaeta (head) of the Wurundjeri tribe in Healesville said he was happy and proud that his struggles were part of the reason why conditions were so much better for today's Aboriginal stars. "It's nice to know I am the oldest living indigenous player, nice to know I helped pave the way for the young fellows like Allan," he said.

For their part, Goodes and Murray are aware that they, too, have a role to play in the journey of the Aboriginal footballer and Aboriginal youth in general.

Murray, an employee of Mental Health Australia - as is teammate Xavier Clarke - is studying to become a youth worker and will soon be helping troubled Aboriginal youth in detention centres and the like

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Winmar
Narkle
McAdam, Gilbert
Jeffrey
Krakour
Kicket
X
Raph
Murray

Jimmy Wandin was our first in 1952


We also had a ruckman

Thanks.

So that adds
= Bob Jones

McAdam, Geg

=11

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Sean Charles
Allan Murray

But that is more than 11 ?

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and when Choo Choo cracks it fora game = 12.

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Was Fred Campbell aboriginal ?

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Sean Charles
Allan Murray

But that is more than 11 ?

So it is...so the record above is wrong then.

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Was Fred Campbell aboriginal ?

Yes.

Plus did we have both Jimmy and Phil Krakour..
That would be 14.

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Was Fred Campbell aboriginal ?

Yes.

Plus did we have both Jimmy and Phil Krakour..
That would be 14.

Just Jim

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Jason Briggs and Mifsud came to the Saints...but I don't think cracked it fora senior game.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page ... onID=75975

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Mad Dog - Robbie Muir

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Mad Dog

Now how did I forget Bobbie.

So that is 14 so far.
Any more???

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http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page ... onID=75915

St Kilda
Fred CAMPBELL (12) Sean CHARLES (47) Eric CLARKE (6) Raphael CLARKE (30) Xavier CLARKE (97) Russell JEFFREY (50) Bob JONES 20) Dale KICKETT (21) Jim KRAKOUER (147) Graeme LEE (19) Allan MURRAY (16) Gilbert McADAM (111) Greg McADAM (10) Gavin MITCHELL (88) Robert MUIR (68) Phil NARKLE (66) Jim WANDIN (17) Nicky WINMAR (251)

So that is also

Eric Clarke
Graeme Lee
Gavin Mitchell

So that is now 17 Aboriginal Players to have played for the Saints.

Herald Sun need to change their ladder!!!

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Another obvious one - Gavin Mitchell

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Nicky Winmar
Phil Narkle
Greg McAdam
Gilbert McAdam
Russell Jeffrey
Jim Krakour
Dale Kicket
Xavier Clarke
Raphael Clarke
Alan Murray
Jimmy Wandin was our first in 1952
Bob Jones
Eric Clarke
Graeme Lee
Gavin Mitchell
Fred Campbell
Sean Chales

= 17

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And Dale "more clubs than Greg Norman" Kickett

edit - whoops you've already got him

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http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page ... onID=75915

St Kilda
Fred CAMPBELL (12) Sean CHARLES (47) Eric CLARKE (6) Raphael CLARKE (30) Xavier CLARKE (97) Russell JEFFREY (50) Bob JONES 20) Dale KICKETT (21) Jim KRAKOUER (147) Graeme LEE (19) Allan MURRAY (16) Gilbert McADAM (111) Greg McADAM (10) Gavin MITCHELL (88) Robert MUIR (68) Phil NARKLE (66) Jim WANDIN (17) Nicky WINMAR (251)

So that is also

Eric Clarke
Graeme Lee
Gavin Mitchell

So that is now 17 Aboriginal Players to have played for the Saints.

Herald Sun need to change their ladder!!!

That is actually 18

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And Dale "more clubs than Greg Norman" Kickett

edit - whoops you've already got him

No..had him already.

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http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page ... onID=75915

St Kilda
Fred CAMPBELL (12) Sean CHARLES (47) Eric CLARKE (6) Raphael CLARKE (30) Xavier CLARKE (97) Russell JEFFREY (50) Bob JONES 20) Dale KICKETT (21) Jim KRAKOUER (147) Graeme LEE (19) Allan MURRAY (16) Gilbert McADAM (111) Greg McADAM (10) Gavin MITCHELL (88) Robert MUIR (68) Phil NARKLE (66) Jim WANDIN (17) Nicky WINMAR (251)

So that is also

Eric Clarke
Graeme Lee
Gavin Mitchell

So that is now 17 Aboriginal Players to have played for the Saints.

Herald Sun need to change their ladder!!!

That is actually 18

Oopps ..can't count my own list!!!! Left Mad Dog off again

Nicky Winmar
Phil Narkle
Greg McAdam
Gilbert McAdam
Russell Jeffrey
Jim Krakour
Dale Kicket
Xavier Clarke
Raphael Clarke
Alan Murray
Jimmy Wandin was our first in 1952
Bob Jones
Eric Clarke
Graeme Lee
Gavin Mitchell
Fred Campbell
Sean Chales
Robert Muir.

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So that means we are actually equal leaders.


Just need to promote Roos for a game to take the lead

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who's eric clarke?

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who's eric clarke?

Played in 1980.

6 games
6 goals

183cm

Came to us from North Ballarat FC

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Jason Traianides ??