RL Wants to Base Saints on Geelong
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RL Wants to Base Saints on Geelong
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Hearldsun April 14 5.00pm
good comments by RL and looks like no changes in the 22 for this week !
BEFORE St Kilda tries to beat Geelong this season, coach Ross Lyon wants his Saints to become them.
Lyon refers to the Cats as the AFL's "benchmark" team and is using them as an example for his players.
St Kilda made last year's preliminary finals, but there was a widespread speculation that they would falter this season.
Instead, the Saints have started with three impressive wins and now Lyon is demanding they maintain their intensity.
The Saints will start strong favourites this Saturday night at Etihad Stadium when they host winless Fremantle.
"All coaches, no doubt, want their players to perform with intensity week-in, week-out," Lyon said.
"What we've spoken about is clearly the benchmark team is Geelong and they were able to tick that box off last weekend against Collingwood, in another big game.
"Where we want to head to as a team is towards the benchmark and we've spoken about our ability to reproduce that intensity consistently and what you've got to be able to do, to do that.
"We believe it comes from preparation and preparing the mind and the body, each week the same."
Lyon also wryly noted that three weeks is a long time in football, adding that the hounds will be baying for his blood in three weeks' time should the Saints go without a win in that period.
"All I know is the best team of the last two years is undefeated, they're still the benchmark team," he said.
"Is is any coincidence that three of last year's top four are undefeated and Hawthorn have had significant injuries? I'm not sure it is a coincidence."
Lyon is looking forward to the big tests against those top-four sides, starting with the Western Bulldogs on May 3, but he is also acutely aware not to look too far ahead.
Lyon described Fremantle as a team under siege and said his players had to be wary of how that situation could galvanise the Dockers.
The Saints are unlikely to make any changes this week as they try to build on their solid start.
"We are pretty keen to promote the 22 who are delivering for us," he said.
"There are a few pushing up (through the VFL), but they will have to bang down the door if everyone (in the senior side) keeps delivering on what they need to do for the team.
"It's not really a dilemma, it's a position we've worked hard to create."
Ruckman Michael Gardiner is certainly a reason the Saints have improved with his impressive start to the season.
But Lyon has no intention to give the big man special treatment through the season, despite his history of injuries.
"I hope the lacquer bands hold him together - Michael and I had a laugh about that today," Lyon said.
"I'd rather him wear out than rust out."
Hearldsun April 14 5.00pm
good comments by RL and looks like no changes in the 22 for this week !
BEFORE St Kilda tries to beat Geelong this season, coach Ross Lyon wants his Saints to become them.
Lyon refers to the Cats as the AFL's "benchmark" team and is using them as an example for his players.
St Kilda made last year's preliminary finals, but there was a widespread speculation that they would falter this season.
Instead, the Saints have started with three impressive wins and now Lyon is demanding they maintain their intensity.
The Saints will start strong favourites this Saturday night at Etihad Stadium when they host winless Fremantle.
"All coaches, no doubt, want their players to perform with intensity week-in, week-out," Lyon said.
"What we've spoken about is clearly the benchmark team is Geelong and they were able to tick that box off last weekend against Collingwood, in another big game.
"Where we want to head to as a team is towards the benchmark and we've spoken about our ability to reproduce that intensity consistently and what you've got to be able to do, to do that.
"We believe it comes from preparation and preparing the mind and the body, each week the same."
Lyon also wryly noted that three weeks is a long time in football, adding that the hounds will be baying for his blood in three weeks' time should the Saints go without a win in that period.
"All I know is the best team of the last two years is undefeated, they're still the benchmark team," he said.
"Is is any coincidence that three of last year's top four are undefeated and Hawthorn have had significant injuries? I'm not sure it is a coincidence."
Lyon is looking forward to the big tests against those top-four sides, starting with the Western Bulldogs on May 3, but he is also acutely aware not to look too far ahead.
Lyon described Fremantle as a team under siege and said his players had to be wary of how that situation could galvanise the Dockers.
The Saints are unlikely to make any changes this week as they try to build on their solid start.
"We are pretty keen to promote the 22 who are delivering for us," he said.
"There are a few pushing up (through the VFL), but they will have to bang down the door if everyone (in the senior side) keeps delivering on what they need to do for the team.
"It's not really a dilemma, it's a position we've worked hard to create."
Ruckman Michael Gardiner is certainly a reason the Saints have improved with his impressive start to the season.
But Lyon has no intention to give the big man special treatment through the season, despite his history of injuries.
"I hope the lacquer bands hold him together - Michael and I had a laugh about that today," Lyon said.
"I'd rather him wear out than rust out."
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Hawthorn are shyte and this bulls*** rolling cluster or rolling zone (call it what ever you like) is based on Ross Lyons game plan from 2007 and saints circa 2007Otiman wrote:We cannot use Hawthorn as a model, some clubs can but we cannot, as we do not have the players with attributes which that style of game relies on.
I see us as a Sydney/Geelong/GT Saints combination. And we can only hope that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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yep no question.Cairnsman wrote:Hawthorn are shyte and this bulls*** rolling cluster or rolling zone (call it what ever you like) is based on Ross Lyons game plan from 2007 and saints circa 2007Otiman wrote:We cannot use Hawthorn as a model, some clubs can but we cannot, as we do not have the players with attributes which that style of game relies on.
I see us as a Sydney/Geelong/GT Saints combination. And we can only hope that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
this balance between attack/defense is all Lyon. Its what hes wanted from day 1 no doubt - sure hes tweaked along the way GOOD COACHES CAN do that.
Duds have 1 game plan that eventually gets found out.
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happily been saying this ever since the middle of 07 when it became bleeding obvious to anyone that slightly pays attention to afl that this was what lyon was intending to doTeflon wrote:yep no question.Cairnsman wrote:Hawthorn are shyte and this bulls*** rolling cluster or rolling zone (call it what ever you like) is based on Ross Lyons game plan from 2007 and saints circa 2007Otiman wrote:We cannot use Hawthorn as a model, some clubs can but we cannot, as we do not have the players with attributes which that style of game relies on.
I see us as a Sydney/Geelong/GT Saints combination. And we can only hope that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
this balance between attack/defense is all Lyon. Its what hes wanted from day 1 no doubt - sure hes tweaked along the way GOOD COACHES CAN do that.
Duds have 1 game plan that eventually gets found out.
i dont believe he has tweaked anything...even in 07 when apparently all was lost...we played well we would have quick conversion form the backline either through running and getting fisher, goddard or nds to kick long to continue the trend out of the back 50...we would create space for this to happen...it would usually result in scoring opportunities due to the swiftness of this...the forward line would be clear for someone to lead into
but no apparently he changed this game plan as it was s*** halfway through 08..i forgot
"It's a work in progress," Lyon said.
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Call me ignorant, but I personally never thought that Hawthorn were very good. That is to say, I recognize that they are a good side, but they certainly did not deserve a premiership last year. I think their losses this year (obviously injuries play a role) are indicative of the fact that they were never as good as they were hyped up to be and that includes all of the talk about the rolling zone. Its not the one and only gameplan that beats all others. Its not that amazing... Every year the media get stuck on one thing; contested footy, flooding, the rolling zone. Now I know that these are spoken of every year obviously, but each one does get a ridiculous amount of media attention for one year and then coaches believe the hype...
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i didn't think they they were the best team last year. but noone understood their tactics. and could not beat their tactics.carnasaints55 wrote:Call me ignorant, but I personally never thought that Hawthorn were very good. That is to say, I recognize that they are a good side, but they certainly did not deserve a premiership last year. I think their losses this year (obviously injuries play a role) are indicative of the fact that they were never as good as they were hyped up to be and that includes all of the talk about the rolling zone. Its not the one and only gameplan that beats all others. Its not that amazing... Every year the media get stuck on one thing; contested footy, flooding, the rolling zone. Now I know that these are spoken of every year obviously, but each one does get a ridiculous amount of media attention for one year and then coaches believe the hype...
i even thought that north would beat hawthorn last week.
this year, clubs understand their tactics better. still have to control hodge, roughhead and franklin. Control those 3, and you probably can beat them.
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saintly wrote:carnasaints55 wrote: this year, clubs understand their tactics better. still have to control hodge, roughhead and franklin. Control those 3, and you probably can beat them.
completely agree. especially with hodge he is by far there most valuable player imo. They were in the game against sydney up until he got injured. once he got injured what was left of there backline had no direction no leadership and they fell in a heap
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