I honestly don't know what to think????
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I honestly don't know what to think????
I have just been watching "One Week at a time" on the ONE HD channel.
Robert Walls gets asked 5 of the "hard questions" at the end of each episode. One of the questions he was asked was are the saints and the dogs the real deal?
He said yes they are the real deal, have caught up to the other two teams(meaning Geelong and Hawthorn of course)
Also today at work I had a geelong supporter pretty much say the same thing... Here I am one week at a time, don't get your hopes up to much and keep a lid on it. Yet we have other people saying you know what the saints are looking the goods.
It's two games right and have we improved that much over the summer?
Honestly have we caught up to Hawthorn and Geelong?
So in saying all that if we had to play geelong this week, do you think we would win?
I am really interested to hear some peoples opinions on this.
Robert Walls gets asked 5 of the "hard questions" at the end of each episode. One of the questions he was asked was are the saints and the dogs the real deal?
He said yes they are the real deal, have caught up to the other two teams(meaning Geelong and Hawthorn of course)
Also today at work I had a geelong supporter pretty much say the same thing... Here I am one week at a time, don't get your hopes up to much and keep a lid on it. Yet we have other people saying you know what the saints are looking the goods.
It's two games right and have we improved that much over the summer?
Honestly have we caught up to Hawthorn and Geelong?
So in saying all that if we had to play geelong this week, do you think we would win?
I am really interested to hear some peoples opinions on this.
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Too true.saintsrus wrote:Remember Walls was instrumental in appointing Lyon, dont think ive heard him say anything negative against Ross ever.
Its two weeks out of 22, yes im happy with the way we are playing but I never get my hopes up, learned that in 97
I think we were 1-5 that year and rock bottom...
Far too early to call.
We've caught up yes, not much, but made progress.
It also has to do with Hawthorn and Geelong slipping though. Hawks are obviously no where near there premiership form of last year, whether it be to their mounting injuries or just a premireship hangover.
And Geelong being taken all the way by Tigers isn't a great sign for them...
If we were to play either team this week, I'd be hella more confident than I was going into playing them last year.
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It also has to do with Hawthorn and Geelong slipping though. Hawks are obviously no where near there premiership form of last year, whether it be to their mounting injuries or just a premireship hangover.
And Geelong being taken all the way by Tigers isn't a great sign for them...
If we were to play either team this week, I'd be hella more confident than I was going into playing them last year.
Bit of a contradiction of terms there stkfc.
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Its to early to call weather we have caught up to them, time will tell. How much did geelong improve over the 2006-2007 summer, heaps of improvement. There is something more in our added pressure and attack on the ball this year that gets me excited.
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Think its a very early call by Walls but its encouraging that others can recognise the progress.
The problem is we have only played 2 rounds but there is real justification for more confidence based on who we have beaten and how.
The Swans have been our achilles heal for a while and to beat them up in contested possions was a great sign.Also seems that Ross's time at Sydney has given us the inside knowledge on how this mob ticks and the best way to overcome them.
The win on Friday night against the Crows was even more impressive.I think for pressure on the ball carrier and good systematic football it was the best I have seen us play for 5 years.
In past years we would have lost that game after the Crows closed the gap and 3 Qtr time.There seems to be a steely resolve and hard edge that is reminient of the 04,05 teams.
The reason for this improvement in my opinion has to do with Lyons message getting through to the list after a settling in period,improved fitness and conditioning courtesy of the new fitness staff and the rebirth of Kosi who looks set to finially[touch wood] realise his enormous potential in terms of being a genuine dominating force.
And do not underestimate the return of Baker...a tough ,pivotal player who makes his team mates go in harder.
There is no doubt that we are looking to have improved significantly but whether we can legitamately challenge Hawthorn and Geelong will be revealed over the course of the year.
My immediate concern is that we win the next 2 games against the Eagles and Dockers at home.Lets not do a Carlton and get ahead of ourselves.
So far so good but a steady improvement will be more than enough to satisfy me that we are definately on the right track...
And that that bloody window is still open..
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The problem is we have only played 2 rounds but there is real justification for more confidence based on who we have beaten and how.
The Swans have been our achilles heal for a while and to beat them up in contested possions was a great sign.Also seems that Ross's time at Sydney has given us the inside knowledge on how this mob ticks and the best way to overcome them.
The win on Friday night against the Crows was even more impressive.I think for pressure on the ball carrier and good systematic football it was the best I have seen us play for 5 years.
In past years we would have lost that game after the Crows closed the gap and 3 Qtr time.There seems to be a steely resolve and hard edge that is reminient of the 04,05 teams.
The reason for this improvement in my opinion has to do with Lyons message getting through to the list after a settling in period,improved fitness and conditioning courtesy of the new fitness staff and the rebirth of Kosi who looks set to finially[touch wood] realise his enormous potential in terms of being a genuine dominating force.
And do not underestimate the return of Baker...a tough ,pivotal player who makes his team mates go in harder.
There is no doubt that we are looking to have improved significantly but whether we can legitamately challenge Hawthorn and Geelong will be revealed over the course of the year.
My immediate concern is that we win the next 2 games against the Eagles and Dockers at home.Lets not do a Carlton and get ahead of ourselves.
So far so good but a steady improvement will be more than enough to satisfy me that we are definately on the right track...
And that that bloody window is still open..
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Right now Id love to test our new "pressure presure" game agasint Geelong..who have been shown up as susceptible to intense tackling pressure (see their game agasint the Pies last year)
I wouldnt read too much into Geelong and Hawthorn so far this year though. If Geelong had converted anywhere near accurately in both their opening games..they'd have been so far in front at 1/2 time there would have been no eyebrows raised at the comebacks staged by their two opponents. Hawthorn have 40% of their premiership side out injured atm..and are playing kids rather than their "depth" players.
I wouldnt read too much into Geelong and Hawthorn so far this year though. If Geelong had converted anywhere near accurately in both their opening games..they'd have been so far in front at 1/2 time there would have been no eyebrows raised at the comebacks staged by their two opponents. Hawthorn have 40% of their premiership side out injured atm..and are playing kids rather than their "depth" players.
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The gap is definately not as big I don't think.
The dogs are the one's that look most likely to challenge at the moment to me.
Cats are in a bit of lull ,but they were at the start of last year too remember,and the year before.
Hawks have a few concerns, be nice if the roos knock them off this week,0-3 will set them behind the 8-ball.
Not convinced about the saints yet. The 1st qrt against Sydney shows what we are capable of still,lets just hope that doesn't rear it's ugly head again. If we can keep a full strength side in for most of the year for once then come finals time anything can happen.
Lot's of footy to be played yet....
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Carl
Stk
the rest
The dogs are the one's that look most likely to challenge at the moment to me.
Cats are in a bit of lull ,but they were at the start of last year too remember,and the year before.
Hawks have a few concerns, be nice if the roos knock them off this week,0-3 will set them behind the 8-ball.
Not convinced about the saints yet. The 1st qrt against Sydney shows what we are capable of still,lets just hope that doesn't rear it's ugly head again. If we can keep a full strength side in for most of the year for once then come finals time anything can happen.
Lot's of footy to be played yet....
Ranking them at this stage
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Haw
Carl
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the rest
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We have improved greatly.
Geelong are still the best and winning games without being outstanding, as they have done for the past two years.
Hawks have slipped, possibly due to injuries, possibly due to big heads.
They didn't win the premiership, Geelong lost it.
Dogs about the same.
Geelong are still the best and winning games without being outstanding, as they have done for the past two years.
Hawks have slipped, possibly due to injuries, possibly due to big heads.
They didn't win the premiership, Geelong lost it.
Dogs about the same.
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The hype seems to be based on their midfield so far.saintsRrising wrote:I can't see why people are ranking the Blues as Top 4...when they have only beaten two teams that did not make the 8 last year.
Top 8..maybe...but Top 4???
Lets see them actually knock off a few teams that made the 8 first.
Let's see how it holds up. FFS comparing them to the Bears Fab Four of the trilogy - spare me.
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I don't think we're showing hawthorn enough respect... keep in mind they had the following players out
Campbell
Croad
Gilham
Ladson
Sewell
Osborne
Lewis
Ladson
Taylor
and Tuck
That is 10 out of their starting 22...
How do you think we would go without King, Gardiner, Hudghton, Maguire, S.Fisher, Montagna, Dal Santo, Ball, Milne and R.Clarke?
Hawthorn and Geelong are still the clear leaders IMO...
Campbell
Croad
Gilham
Ladson
Sewell
Osborne
Lewis
Ladson
Taylor
and Tuck
That is 10 out of their starting 22...
How do you think we would go without King, Gardiner, Hudghton, Maguire, S.Fisher, Montagna, Dal Santo, Ball, Milne and R.Clarke?
Hawthorn and Geelong are still the clear leaders IMO...
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Re: I honesly don't know what to think????
Well GT has predicted that we finish 8th.Dal_Santos_Gal wrote:
I am really interested to hear some peoples opinions on this.
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whilst its all well and good for opposition supporters to acknowledge that we might have caught geelong or hawthorn who really cares
fact is that teams do come good over a summer after looking off the pace in a seasons past...so many examples of
things click, luck etc
i think we should comment on if we as a supporter base believe that we have closed to gap on both clubs after we play them...and beat them
fact is that teams do come good over a summer after looking off the pace in a seasons past...so many examples of
things click, luck etc
i think we should comment on if we as a supporter base believe that we have closed to gap on both clubs after we play them...and beat them
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correct. Early season good signs will be for nothing if we don't convert games when we are favourites, such as this week.Teflon wrote:made progress for sure on the back that we are winnign and its not the Nick Riewoldt show so others are sharing the load - thats progress.
Enough to have bridged the gap?
No. Much more to do than weeks 1 and 2.
Lets just beat the Eagles first.
Those sides mentioned above wouldn't lose those games.