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The new emperor's new clothes!

Post: # 685199Post barks4eva »

With our 2009 Membership campaign streaking past 10,000, the new 2009 range in store and plenty of 2008 stock at heavily discounted prices, now is the best time to pick up Saints Membership and Merchandise.

:roll: :roll: :roll:


You only have to look at the straws to see which way the wind blows!


Anyone with a clue would know by now that the current board are bereft of a good idea, have tunnel vision for the future and are wrecklessly re-locating the football club to Seaford!

Not including Geelong, our training facility will be located further away from the city centre, than any other Victorian team!

Even the Western Bulldogs training facility is being built in their heartland at the Western Oval, not to mention Collingwood having elite facilities across the road from the MCG!

In the future it will be harder for the St kilda football club to attract star players to our club, with a training facility located in Seaford when compared to more centrally located Victorian clubs!

This will become an issue, make no mistake and it will be the current board's legacy and their tunnel vision for the future that will impact on this club!

A location in the St kilda area, our spiritual home and one of the most marketable suburbs in Australia and the most marketable suburb in Victoria, which could be a real asset to this club in promoting it, is being overlooked, because the current board would rather locate the club in Seaford!

A training facility with the Albert Park Lake as it's backdrop would be the perfect scenario and would be the absolute best way that this club could become a powerhouse of the AFL, this is doable, but unfortunately the current board have a tunnel vision for the future relocating the club in Seaford of all places!

Even in their literature, the choice of words is a give away, streaking past 10,000
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As if it wasn't already blatantly obvious already that the new board are all wearing the emporer's new clothes!

When the wheel turns and the inevitably cycle has us once again at some point near the bottom of the ladder, Seaford will become a poisoned chalice, a white elephant and an achilles heel with the club located in a backwater and quite possibly the next Fitzroy, as membership drops off!

This will be the current board's legacy, make no mistake, wake up and smell the roses, these clowns should be booted before they create anymore havoc!

Streaking past, 10,000 :roll: FAIR DINKUM!

And how handy would Cousins be as a backup to our midfield should anyone of our top players be out for any reason!

If Hayes goes down, we are fair dinkum rooted, at least with Cousins we could have possibly had enough to in some way cover for him, now we have SFA!

But anyway we don't have Cousins because Family First, which includes Nathan Burke,( let's face it the strongest thing he's ever been on is red cordial ), saw fit not to take the free kick and opportunity that was handed to us on a plate!

If anyone is going to be streaking, it will be Ben Cousins, tearing us a new one as our pedestrian midfield struggles to keep up, when we play Richmond!

FAIR DINKUM!


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Post: # 685202Post saint66au »

You against Seaford Barks...gosh Id never have known...

ITS NOT LIKE YOUVE MENTIONED IT IN 25 OTHER THREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post: # 685204Post St Fidelius »

saint66au wrote:You against Seaford Barks...gosh Id never have known...

ITS NOT LIKE YOUVE MENTIONED IT IN 25 OTHER THREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yep and to think he was in favour of the move to Frankston...

It really does make you wonder...

Just how many times has this poster repeated and repeated himself????

Even the tired line about Nathan Burke and the red cordial :roll: :roll:

Stop farking repeating yourself :idea:


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Post: # 685230Post st.byron »

Albert Park Lake as a backdrop. Fair dinkum Barks. It worked a treat for Melbourne didn't it?


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Post: # 685273Post bobmurray »

Maybe the Tasmanian proposal will be forwarded on to Westaway,just in case Seaford falls over .........


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Post: # 685275Post zebraman »

Casey Fields is further out than Seaford

As the crow flies Belverdere Park is around 34 k's from the CBD...and unlike Casey Fields it's in a fairly built up up are with schools, houses and factories nearby...


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Post: # 685276Post St Fidelius »

bobmurray wrote:Maybe the Tasmanian proposal will be forwarded on to Westaway,just in case Seaford falls over .........
Ah yes, I can see it now...

b4e sitting back on a folding chair and just marvelling at the "backdrop" of the Tasmanian proposal...


The "tradition" of Daryl Baldock, Ian Stewart, Verdon Howell, Roy Cazaly and Barry Lawrence ...

and b4e saying
barks4eva wrote:Arh...the serenity of it all
whilst discussing the issue of jousting sticks between goals...

Yep, a definite goer....

Farkin "backdrop" ....

Move on FFS :roll:


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Post: # 685284Post ttufc7 »

Only when they start playing Home games at Seaford instead of the dome THEN it may have an impact on membership :roll:


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Post: # 685319Post Bernard Shakey »

It's already had an impact on membership.


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Post: # 685335Post plugger66 »

Bernard Shakey wrote:It's already had an impact on membership.
Why?


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Re: The new emperor's new clothes!

Post: # 685375Post Teflon »

barks4eva wrote:
If Hayes goes down, we are fair dinkum rooted, at least with Cousins we could have possibly had enough to in some way cover for him, now we have SFA!

But anyway we don't have Cousins because Family First, which includes Nathan Burke,( let's face it the strongest thing he's ever been on is red cordial ), saw fit not to take the free kick and opportunity that was handed to us on a plate!

If anyone is going to be streaking, it will be Ben Cousins, tearing us a new one as our pedestrian midfield struggles to keep up, when we play Richmond!

FAIR DINKUM!
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Post: # 685385Post casey scorp »

zebraman wrote:Casey Fields is further out than Seaford

As the crow flies Belverdere Park is around 34 k's from the CBD...and unlike Casey Fields it's in a fairly built up up are with schools, houses and factories nearby...
Free kick in the goal square!

Casey Fields is about 45k’s from the CBD, so both are a drive of ½ to ¾ hour. As the crow flies, Belvedere Park might be closer, but in driving time I suspect that they are pretty similar or Casey Fields might be less travel time (especially once the Monash Freeway upgrade is completed which will be before Belvedere Park can even have construction completed).

But the real issue is vision……something that is needed if you are strategically managing.

Zebraman says that “Unlike Casey Fields, Belvedere Park is a fairly built up area with schools, houses and factories nearbyâ€


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Post: # 685391Post plugger66 »

casey scorp wrote:
zebraman wrote:Casey Fields is further out than Seaford

As the crow flies Belverdere Park is around 34 k's from the CBD...and unlike Casey Fields it's in a fairly built up up are with schools, houses and factories nearby...
Free kick in the goal square!

Casey Fields is about 45k’s from the CBD, so both are a drive of ½ to ¾ hour. As the crow flies, Belvedere Park might be closer, but in driving time I suspect that they are pretty similar or Casey Fields might be less travel time (especially once the Monash Freeway upgrade is completed which will be before Belvedere Park can even have construction completed).

But the real issue is vision……something that is needed if you are strategically managing.

Zebraman says that “Unlike Casey Fields, Belvedere Park is a fairly built up area with schools, houses and factories nearbyâ€


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casey scorp wrote:
zebraman wrote:Casey Fields is further out than Seaford

As the crow flies Belverdere Park is around 34 k's from the CBD...and unlike Casey Fields it's in a fairly built up up are with schools, houses and factories nearby...
Free kick in the goal square!

Casey Fields is about 45k’s from the CBD, so both are a drive of ½ to ¾ hour. As the crow flies, Belvedere Park might be closer, but in driving time I suspect that they are pretty similar or Casey Fields might be less travel time (especially once the Monash Freeway upgrade is completed which will be before Belvedere Park can even have construction completed).

But the real issue is vision……something that is needed if you are strategically managing.

Zebraman says that “Unlike Casey Fields, Belvedere Park is a fairly built up area with schools, houses and factories nearbyâ€


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Post: # 685419Post Enrico_Misso »

The real issue is that we should have found a way to stay at Moorabbin.


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Post: # 685429Post bigcarl »

i liked the idea of being located slap, bang in the middle of a big city like frankston.

would have given us a good profile on the mornington peninsula and an opportunity to engage some of the local businesses.

i'm not as happy with the backblocks of seaford, but the board is elected to make these sorts of decisions on behalf of the members and i'm sure they have the club's interests at heart.


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Post: # 685439Post casey scorp »

Enrico_Misso wrote:The real issue is that we should have found a way to stay at Moorabbin.
This should now the objective. Belvedere Park is not locked in. We should not accept that staying at Moorabbin is out of the question.

Why, when:

* we have a longterm lease at a infinitely better location than Seaford
* infrastructure (oval and services) is already in existence
* our VFL aligned partner is just a few kilometres away
* Govt funding to remove the old grandstand is in place

would we contemplate moving to the backblocks of Seaford?

I doubt we would ever have chosen Seaford if the choice in the first instance had been between:

* Moorabbin
* Frankston Park
* Casey Fields
* Belvedere Park.

There is a new Council at Kingston. Perhaps that is the excuse we need to go back and negotiate with them. We are still in a position where a choice can be made between Linton Street and Belvedere Park.


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Post: # 685441Post rexy »

Not sure why this is such an emotional issue for some, Seaford is not that far from the city and not all players live in the city anyway, its not like the players live in StKilda because they play for StKilda. Some are not happy if they have nothing to complain about, complain about every coach, every president, every decision yada yada yada.


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Post: # 685452Post st.byron »

casey scorp wrote:
Enrico_Misso wrote:The real issue is that we should have found a way to stay at Moorabbin.
This should now the objective. Belvedere Park is not locked in. We should not accept that staying at Moorabbin is out of the question.

Why, when:

* we have a longterm lease at a infinitely better location than Seaford
* infrastructure (oval and services) is already in existence
* our VFL aligned partner is just a few kilometres away
* Govt funding to remove the old grandstand is in place

would we contemplate moving to the backblocks of Seaford?

I doubt we would ever have chosen Seaford if the choice in the first instance had been between:

* Moorabbin
* Frankston Park
* Casey Fields
* Belvedere Park.

There is a new Council at Kingston. Perhaps that is the excuse we need to go back and negotiate with them. We are still in a position where a choice can be made between Linton Street and Belvedere Park.

The club's made a decision and is looking forward. Chance of backtracking to Moorabbin or anywhere else = zero.


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rexy wrote:Not sure why this is such an emotional issue for some, Seaford is not that far from the city and not all players live in the city anyway, its not like the players live in StKilda because they play for StKilda. Some are not happy if they have nothing to complain about, complain about every coach, every president, every decision yada yada yada.
You are a very logical and brave person IMO. Now run for cover... :wink:

In the end, all the supporters screaming blue murder... have they ever asked the players and staff? After all, it's THEIR workplace, not ours.


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Post: # 685529Post casey scorp »

All of the pro-Belvedere Park advocates, if you believe there are strong points to the location, list them.

What are the strengths of this site, which make it a better location than Linton Street?


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Post: # 685552Post Mr Magic »

casey scorp wrote:All of the pro-Belvedere Park advocates, if you believe there are strong points to the location, list them.

What are the strengths of this site, which make it a better location than Linton Street?
It's not within the control of the City of Kingston.


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casey scorp wrote:All of the pro-Belvedere Park advocates, if you believe there are strong points to the location, list them.

What are the strengths of this site, which make it a better location than Linton Street?
Never said that it was better than Moorabbin. I'm not fussed TBH. Some are obviously opposed, and so be it. That's their call.

I just reckon there's more important htings to worry about. I'm a member. I pay, and I get discounted entries to games, and a vote. I am not a share holder, so I'm not bothered.

I have only 2 criteria: 1- will it provide the players with 1st class facilities, and 2- is it financialy viable. Other than that, I really don't care.

Like the other person said, some people aren't happy unless they are fighting for a cause, which IMO is fair enough. But there are far more important causes to fight in life.

End of Sunday sermon. :lol:

Aoart from not being Linton St, please list the negatives...


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Post: # 685582Post casey scorp »

WayneJudson42 wrote:Never said that it was better than Moorabbin. I'm not fussed TBH.
Surely we should be balancing up what the situation would be at Moorabbin compared to what the situation would be at Belvedere Park. If Seaford is not better than Moorabbin, then we shouldn’t be going there.

WayneJudson42 wrote:Aoart from not being Linton St, please list the negatives...
Here's a few, and I'm sure there'd be more....

Costs of installing services – will have to be brought in at Belvedere Park, whereas they are already provided at large capacity to Linton Street

Water – a touchy issue amongst sporting clubs. Linton Street is already taken into account in the Kingston formula for watering sports grounds. Diverting extra water to Belvedere Park will require taking it from another reserve, resulting in unhappy local sports clubs.

Planning permit necessary at Belvedere Park – putting the project in the hands of objectors and VCAT (the club’s promise of 2010 seems great at the moment, but how realistic is it?)

Oval Construction – will come at a substantial cost, whereas a 1st class oval already exists at Linton Street.

Unhappy local residents – extra traffic, new buildings on open space, intrusion of a non-local facility into local open space

Sports clubs expelled from existing playing field – existing Belvedere Park tenant clubs will be forced to go elsewhere, whereas at Moorabbin we already are the only tenant.

Location, location, location – Belvedere Park is crap with a capital C.

VFL aligned club – left behind up Beach Road near Moorabbin.

Access – up residential streets, with poor connectivity to the main road network.

Lease – only over the development area at Belvedere Park (even excluding the oval), whereas at Moorabbin Reserve we control almost the entire reserve (building area, oval, carparking, parkland).

Professionalism – we’ve got a record of rushing into announcing projects and not delivering (ie Moorabbin redevelopment, Frankston Park). Our reputation with the AFL, the State Government and other professional organisations must be teetering on a precipice. Don’t forget, they are mostly funding the project – not us.

Start Date – when we can start at Belvedere Park is unknown, and is hostage to objections, Council decision and VCAT in the planning process, whereas (subject to a satisfactory negotiation with Kingston Council) we could get underway very soon at Moorabbin.


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Mr Magic wrote:
casey scorp wrote:All of the pro-Belvedere Park advocates, if you believe there are strong points to the location, list them.

What are the strengths of this site, which make it a better location than Linton Street?
It's not within the control of the City of Kingston.
:lol: , but there has been quite some turn over on the Council it seems and Cr Alabaster was defeated.


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