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[stinger]

he was spot on re the saints....


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It's here! 2008 Phantom Draft


Matt Burgan 2:00 PM Wed 26 November, 2008


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Matt Burgan says:

Since publishing my Phantom Draft at 2pm AEDT on Wednesday, it has been revealed that Fremantle will almost certainly be selecting Stephen Hill with pick No.3.

As a result, I have reordered the first 20 picks as follows:

1. Jack Watts (Melbourne)
2. Nick Naitanui (West Coast)
3. Stephen Hill (Fremantle)
4. Hamish Hartlett (Port Adelaide)
5. Daniel Rich (Essendon)
6. Michael Hurley (Carlton)
7. Chris Yarran (Brisbane Lions)
8. Tyrone Vickery (Richmond)
9. Jack Ziebell (North Melbourne)
10. Jackson Trengove (Adelaide)
11. Steele Sidebottom (Collingwood)
12. Lewis Johnston (Sydney Swans)
13. Tom Lynch (St Kilda)
14. Ayce Cordy (Western Bulldogs)
15. Ashley Smith (Geelong)
16. Sam Blease (Hawthorn)
17. Ryan Schoenmakers (Melbourne)
18. Tom Swift (West Coast)
19. Dayne Beams (Melbourne)
20. Phil Davis (West Coast)

[ace]

One ruck - Rhys Stanley 200
Two talls - Tom Lynch 192, Paul Cahill 193
Three mediums - Nicholas Heyne 188, Alistair Smith 184, Colm Begley 188
Zero smalls

Trade- Farren Ray 187

[Solar]

Alright guys, not a fan of Lynch. In the footage I've seen of him he had terrible (not just average) disposal and goal shooting. Courageous, good mark but more of a second round prospect in my opinion. Would have preferred Blease, Trengove or possibly Shoenmakers.

I'm not gonna write him off or anything of course, I realise our recruiters know better than me and I hope he tears it up for the Saints but I just think there were better available who suited our needs better.

p.s forgot to add no Carroll , No Cousin

no worries....

suprised we went with a tall forward as our first round pick but it will be interesting to see how he is developed. Good speed and agrresion, full back anyone?

[SainterK]

Colm Begley
#46 Brisbane Lions
Age: 22yr 2mth Games: 29 Born: August 31, 1986
Height: 188cm Weight: 83kg Position: Defender


Career Season Averages
Year Team Games Kicks Handballs Disposals Marks Goals Behinds Tackles Hitouts Frees For Frees Ag. Brownlow
2008 Brisbane 8 6.4 5.8 12.1 3.2 0.1 0.1 1.5 0 0.8 0.9
2007 Brisbane 19 6.6 6.3 12.9 3.5 0.3 0.2 1.6 0 0.4 0.6
2006 Brisbane 2 6.5 4.0 10.5 1.5 0 0.5 2.0 0 0.5 0
Career 29 6.5 6.0 12.5 3.3 0.2 0.2 1.6 0 0.5 0.6



With Dempster having done his knee.....may be a fill in.

Also I have my doubts about Gwilt....so Begley is certainly an option down back.

After three years at the Lions, Voss made the decision to move him on.
He was named rookie of the year in 2007, so here's hoping.

[lucasro]

have seen a bit of rhys stanley over last 2 years playing for west adelaide--the bio is wrong when it talks about playingfor eagles in reserves grand final
--very smart pick by saints as has tremendous upside although will need 2 years to put on muscle to compete against bigger bodied ruckmen
--think nick naitanui without the dreadlocks--almost as athletic but has better marking and disposal skills
--so many occasions he would run down and tackle pacy onballers
--is a ruckman with outstanding leap and also played a little bit as tall forward as west under 19s had 4 players over about 195cm
---in league game that he got injured he took an absolute hanger over the pack in the goal square
--very quick on the lead and pretty good kick-certainly better kick than naitanui
--tremendous potential but as always the test will be to put in the hard work and to develop consistency

[WayneJudson42]

Ok, so who looks likely to play next year, if anyone?

Lynch looks ok on Utube. Would he be ahead of Allen?

TBH, I don't know alot about these guys, so don't make fun of me.

Wouldn't mind seeing him up forward a bit. Seems to have some pace.

[saintsRrising]

have seen a bit of rhys stanley over last 2 years playing for west adelaide--the bio is wrong when it talks about playingfor eagles in reserves grand final
--very smart pick by saints as has tremendous upside although will need 2 years to put on muscle to compete against bigger bodied ruckmen
--think nick naitanui without the dreadlocks--almost as athletic but has better marking and disposal skills
--so many occasions he would run down and tackle pacy onballers
--is a ruckman with outstanding leap and also played a little bit as tall forward as west under 19s had 4 players over about 195cm
---in league game that he got injured he took an absolute hanger over the pack in the goal square
--very quick on the lead and pretty good kick-certainly better kick than naitanui
--tremendous potential but as always the test will be to put in the hard work and to develop consistency

Thanks for that....

He sounds ike the protype for the modern "midfielder" ruckman.

[SaintWodonga]

I reckon we've done well. After watching some of the highlights, the boys can play.

Cahill:
Smith:
Stanley:
Stanley2:
Heyne:
Lynch:
Begley:

[jays]

we have done real well

[WinnersOnly]

We needed skills createtivity around goals and a bit of aggression and got it all. Interesting draft strategy taken by the SAINTS I dont believe they are thinking that KOSI is a long term option either rucking or playing at Full Forward.

LYNCH - great move - bit of mongrel.
STANLEY - Most highly skilled ruckmen in draft.
HEYNE - Goal kicking flanker can play midfield.
SMITH - Solid midfielder with bit of dash.
CAHILL - Next Full Forward or Full Back
BEGLEY - Releases GRAM/GODDARD.

[saintsRrising]

Ok, so who looks likely to play next year, if anyone?


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Well Begley is a ready to play player....so he will be beter pressure on to grab a back 6 spot. I could easily see him getting selected ahead of Gwilt for example.

The others are all more for the future IMO..who might get an occasional game in 09.

You would imagine that Armo, Steven, Geary, Eddy.....Eljay would all be given preference for senior games in 2009 to our latest batch of recruits.

If Allen does not take his chance in 09...then Tom may be given some games.

Maguire failing...and Max getting injured might also see them getting exposure down back.

[ace]

6 picks live picks still left to be used in the pre season draft
1 Melbourne
2 Port Adelaide
3 Essendon
4 Carlton
5 Brisbane
6 Richmond

Conditional upon the clubs demonstrating that they have room in their total player payments cap.

If Nathan Carroll wants a guernsey he needs to go train with one these.
Same applies to Ben Cousins, only these teams can pick him.

Then there will be the rookie draft.
Before then teams can pre-select international rookie player selections.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

We now have five left footed mids.

The medallion club side of TD or whatever the eff it is called will be seeing a lot of Saints action next season

Why....is there a new rule that you only kick the one one way all year in 2009

Ohoh, pray the rules committee isn't reading, or there will be for NAB cup!

[GreatNo9s]

I just checked saints.com.au - it has a reasonable summary of each
with comments from Jason McCartney
I think he was/is part of the AFL AIS camp

Interesting summaries on where he thinks each can play

Lynch - I thought it might have been good to let him play at centre half-back and just let him play his way into some form, but he played at half-forward and did very well.

Stanley - He took some sensational marks in the SANFL where he actually just leapt on top of the pack and came down with it.

Heyne - He single-handedly nearly won the game for Vic Country against Vic Metro in the first game of the under-18 championships

Smith - He’s got the pace to play in the midfield and he’s definitely got the skills

Cahill - Paul's really a fantastic athlete. He's got a fantastic vertical leap...he's got great bounce and agility

BEgley - looks like we pinched him from the Pies ?

[St Fidelius]

BEgley - looks like we pinched him from the Pies ?

How does that work???

The pies last pick was at pick #73 (Leigh Brown - North Melbourne)

They had no other picks available.....

and we picked up Begley with our last pick at pick #83

[goodie]

BEgley - looks like we pinched him from the Pies ?

How does that work???

The pies last pick was at pick #73 (Leigh Brown - North Melbourne)

They had no other picks available.....

and we picked up Begley with our last pick at pick #83

Shhh, don't think about it, just bask in the glow of the thought

[undecided]

BEgley - looks like we pinched him from the Pies ?

How does that work???

The pies last pick was at pick #73 (Leigh Brown - North Melbourne)

They had no other picks available.....

and we picked up Begley with our last pick at pick #83

Shhh, don't think about it, just bask in the glow of the thought

its not very glowing

[goodie]

BEgley - looks like we pinched him from the Pies ?

How does that work???

The pies last pick was at pick #73 (Leigh Brown - North Melbourne)

They had no other picks available.....

and we picked up Begley with our last pick at pick #83

Shhh, don't think about it, just bask in the glow of the thought

its not very glowing

Depends how you frame it. Just think of it as nicking something from the Pies

[WayneJudson42]

Ok, so who looks likely to play next year, if anyone?


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Well Begley is a ready to play player....so he will be beter pressure on to grab a back 6 spot. I could easily see him getting selected ahead of Gwilt for example.

The others are all more for the future IMO..who might get an occasional game in 09.

You would imagine that Armo, Steven, Geary, Eddy.....Eljay would all be given preference for senior games in 2009 to our latest batch of recruits.

If Allen does not take his chance in 09...then Tom may be given some games.

Maguire failing...and Max getting injured might also see them getting exposure down back.

Agree re Tom. Suspect that Armo will get more game time, and Stevens will get the same on /off as Armo did this year.

Forgot about Begley. The logic is that he'd cover for Dempster? Obviously more upside (ahte that word) than Caroll.

[undecided]

it must b a wasted pick if they wanted him, lol