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Could be more to do with the style of player we have recruited, rather than the ability to tackle. I reckon we suffer through having to many outside receivers, and not enough in-and-under, hard-ball-get players across all positions. The receivers may be talented, but they are not normally the hard tackling types. I'm sure RL is fully aware of that, but we we need to do some clever recruiting.
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I am thinking that the depth we will have on our list next year, will do an awful lot for motivation. Lets see their hardness at the ball, when there are others pushing for selection. In my opinion that is what has been lacking in the past, I am thinking that you run the risk of being dropped more frequently next season should the hardness not be there...
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I love the Goose. One of his biggest fans.
However, watching us play the Hawks in the prelim made me wonder about the infamous 'Barry Hall incident'.
Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood.
He got up, played on, and pushed medicos away at the huddle so his teammates didn't know he was struggling.
I'm not meaning to pot Goose here, cause at the time I thought he had every right to stay down for as long as he did. I'm not saying he's soft, he's as courageous as they come - however I am saying he's not as tough as Hodge. Nowhere near it.
And maybe he, and many others need to be for us to be fiar dinkum.
However, watching us play the Hawks in the prelim made me wonder about the infamous 'Barry Hall incident'.
Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood.
He got up, played on, and pushed medicos away at the huddle so his teammates didn't know he was struggling.
I'm not meaning to pot Goose here, cause at the time I thought he had every right to stay down for as long as he did. I'm not saying he's soft, he's as courageous as they come - however I am saying he's not as tough as Hodge. Nowhere near it.
And maybe he, and many others need to be for us to be fiar dinkum.
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mabe with hodge it looked worse than what it was???rodgerfox wrote:I love the Goose. One of his biggest fans.
However, watching us play the Hawks in the prelim made me wonder about the infamous 'Barry Hall incident'.
Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood.
He got up, played on, and pushed medicos away at the huddle so his teammates didn't know he was struggling.
I'm not meaning to pot Goose here, cause at the time I thought he had every right to stay down for as long as he did. I'm not saying he's soft, he's as courageous as they come - however I am saying he's not as tough as Hodge. Nowhere near it.
And maybe he, and many others need to be for us to be fiar dinkum.
"It's a work in progress," Lyon said.
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Maybe the reason we're still shiit after all these years with this group is that we aren't tough enough.Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:mabe with hodge it looked worse than what it was???rodgerfox wrote:I love the Goose. One of his biggest fans.
However, watching us play the Hawks in the prelim made me wonder about the infamous 'Barry Hall incident'.
Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood.
He got up, played on, and pushed medicos away at the huddle so his teammates didn't know he was struggling.
I'm not meaning to pot Goose here, cause at the time I thought he had every right to stay down for as long as he did. I'm not saying he's soft, he's as courageous as they come - however I am saying he's not as tough as Hodge. Nowhere near it.
And maybe he, and many others need to be for us to be fiar dinkum.
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Maybe a jab to the solar plexus caused more discomfort than a little blood. It is possible to bleed profusely without it actually being painful - a gash on the forehead will do that.
Maybe Goose was being tactical
I certainly would not question Goose's hardness - especially not if he was anywhere nearby!
Maybe Goose was being tactical
I certainly would not question Goose's hardness - especially not if he was anywhere nearby!
Hodge was amazingly tough, but we could also draw inspiration from Saints players this year as examples of toughness....rodgerfox wrote:I love the Goose. One of his biggest fans.
However, watching us play the Hawks in the prelim made me wonder about the infamous 'Barry Hall incident'.
Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood.
He got up, played on, and pushed medicos away at the huddle so his teammates didn't know he was struggling.
I'm not meaning to pot Goose here, cause at the time I thought he had every right to stay down for as long as he did. I'm not saying he's soft, he's as courageous as they come - however I am saying he's not as tough as Hodge. Nowhere near it.
And maybe he, and many others need to be for us to be fiar dinkum.
Milne's face copped a terrible bump, insisted on playing the match out with his face swollen beyond recognition. Not only did he play the match out, he was a solid contributor and responsible for the vibe out on the field that day. Not to mention an awful bumpy car ride back to Melbourne so he could play the following week....
Another one that I always like to bring up, don't forget the opponent in the Hodge incident. Kosi landed on his already strapped and injured knee, and obviously was in pain. Sat on the bench for only a short time, and continued to play...
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Maybe our supporters are not steadfast enough either Rodger!rodgerfox wrote: Maybe the reason we're still shiit after all these years with this group is that we aren't tough enough.
Shiit - well I know of 12 other teams more shiit than us lat year - and only 3 less shiite. Not saying I am accepting of fourth - I cancelled my holiday to New Zealand in the hope that we got in the Grand Final, but we are far from shiite!
Believe or f@rking burn!
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You're easily conned RF. Anyone with a split lip, or simple nosebleed will "spit blood" - done it many times myself. And as anybody who has ever played sport with me could testify I ain't a tough guy.rodgerfox wrote:Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood......
I'm not doubting that Hodge is a tough cookie - he is..... but that is not a good example of it. Milney's episode this year is a much better one.
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Hird... The unflushable one is now... just a turd...
FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Not sure I totally agree with Pilgram, but we have lost some toughness in the last few years... eg Hamill, Guerra, Peckett, Powell, Thompson, Jones et al
HARDNESS wins premierships.
HARDNESS is a willingness to hate and an act of aggression.
HARDNESS is the difference between a Grand Final and a Flag.
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Hodge made me think about it.Richter wrote:You're easily conned RF. Anyone with a split lip, or simple nosebleed will "spit blood" - done it many times myself. And as anybody who has ever played sport with me could testify I ain't a tough guy.rodgerfox wrote:Hodge was spitting blood.
Spitting blood......
I'm not doubting that Hodge is a tough cookie - he is..... but that is not a good example of it. Milney's episode this year is a much better one.
Nigel Lappin playing a GF with a broken rib. Dipper playing on with a punctured lung. Aker with his groin torn off are legitimate examples.
1 thing in common - Premiership heroes.
Goose staying down for as long as he did after a whack in the guts, may have been warranted. But so would have Dipper going to hospital immediately and not playing on. So would Lappin not even playing in the GF. So would Aker sitting on the bench with his groin on ice for the second half of the 01 GF.
The difference is that they didn't.
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You dont believe Peckett and Jones were tough ?? Tougher than any of our current crop of players!!rodgerfox wrote:Peckett and Jones???FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Not sure I totally agree with Pilgram, but we have lost some toughness in the last few years... eg Hamill, Guerra, Peckett, Powell, Thompson, Jones et al
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Pilgram wrote:FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Not sure I totally agree with Pilgram, but we have lost some toughness in the last few years... eg Hamill, Guerra, Peckett, Powell, Thompson, Jones et al
HARDNESS wins premierships.
HARDNESS is a willingness to hate and an act of aggression.
HARDNESS is the difference between a Grand Final and a Flag.
Talent has soemthing to do with it too...
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Still to much generalising here, you can't lump the whole playing group into one catergory...FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:You dont believe Peckett and Jones were tough ?? Tougher than any of our current crop of players!!rodgerfox wrote:Peckett and Jones???FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Not sure I totally agree with Pilgram, but we have lost some toughness in the last few years... eg Hamill, Guerra, Peckett, Powell, Thompson, Jones et al
FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Pilgram wrote:FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Not sure I totally agree with Pilgram, but we have lost some toughness in the last few years... eg Hamill, Guerra, Peckett, Powell, Thompson, Jones et al
HARDNESS wins premierships.
HARDNESS is a willingness to hate and an act of aggression.
HARDNESS is the difference between a Grand Final and a Flag.
Talent has soemthing to do with it too...
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TALENT...
....AND HARDNESS!!!
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the group chain is only ever as strong as the weakest link.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Still to much generalising here, you can't lump the whole playing group into one catergory...FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:You dont believe Peckett and Jones were tough ?? Tougher than any of our current crop of players!!rodgerfox wrote:Peckett and Jones???FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:Not sure I totally agree with Pilgram, but we have lost some toughness in the last few years... eg Hamill, Guerra, Peckett, Powell, Thompson, Jones et al
you find the weakest link and you have beaten the team.