Very interesting (particuarly the first and second points). From what we've heard, the Saints have been talking to Ben and Ricky for weeks and the Lions "will" talk to him. Also, Voss has "left messages" with Ben? Surely if Cuz was that interested he'd have taken the time to call back... I know there's probably more to it, but on face value it doesn't sound as if the Lions have their sh!t together!From Big Footy:
- we will talk to him
- hasn't yet talked to him but left several messages
- time's ticking away and not a lot of time to make a decision
- told the players what was going on to stop speculation but nothing to report
- there is a fit within our development model for a mature player such as Cousins or Davis
- at this point in time we are 'no comment' in relation to taking both Cousins and Davis as hasn't spoken about it at match committee level
- next move if AFL pass Cousins to play is to speak to Cousins
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So looks like Ben hasn't talked with the Lions...Saint Ben Cousins
Bruce Matthews | November 18, 2008 12:00am
THE Brisbane Lions appear to have gone cold on the idea, AFL boss Andrew Demetriou is making all the right noises, and St Kilda captain Nick Riewoldt has laid out the welcome mat. This is the equation on the morning of the AFL Commission's decision on whether to clear Ben Cousins to play.
It all adds up to an increasing likelihood the former West Coast champion and recovering drug addict becoming Saint Ben at the December 16 pre-season draft.
If Brisbane passes on Cousins at that draft, it will clear a path for the Saints, who have the pick behind the Lions.
Yesterday, Riewoldt emphatically underlined the Saints' desire to recruit Cousins, suggesting they would rather have him in red, white and black than playing elsewhere.
The Saints skipper said Cousins still had to be cleared to play, but felt the commission would today give him the green light after Demetriou said the star midfielder deserved a second chance.
"Everybody's entitled to an opportunity to get back playing, whether they're ill through a mental illness or through other illnesses," Demetriou said in Sydney. "That's certainly something that will weigh on the minds of the commission."
Herald Sun readers agree that Cousins should be given another chance.
At 9.30 last night, 77 per cent of 6308 voters on an online poll said he should be allowed to play.
Riewoldt said it was ultimately the club's decision and that the leadership group would be consulted, but he could not hide his excitement at the prospect of having Cousins in St Kilda's midfield rotation.
"Absolutely, it would excite anyone if he could get back to the heights. He's a Brownlow medallist and premiership player, so we all hope he can get back to that," Riewoldt said.
"If he could get back to that, then naturally we would want to be playing with him, rather than against him.
"We would definitely be consulted, but that's what you have a board for, and coaches and a club executive.
"The club has gone through a very thorough process and done due diligence to investigating the situation."
Riewoldt said he believed all AFL players supported the Cousins comeback.
"Clearly, I think all AFL players, regardless of whether he could be potentially going to their clubs, would wish him well and hope that his health is at a stage where the AFL does clear him," he said.
"People in all walks of life would like to see him recapture his form and health, which is the most important."
Cousins was reportedly in Brisbane yesterday, but the Lions denied any contact.
Lions coach Michael Voss last night made a "450 per cent guarantee" that Cousins was not at the Gabba for talks.
When asked if a meeting had taken place between the player and club yesterday, Lions chief executive Michael Bowers said he had no idea where Cousins was.
"Until the AFL decides whether he is allowed to play again, we won't be making any comment on the matter," Bowers said.
It's understood some Lions directors have moral reservations about throwing Cousins an AFL lifeline.
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LIONS STILL KEEN ON COUSINS, SAYS VOSS
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Re: Michael Voss on SEN
Exactly the impression I got from listenening to the interview ... Voss didnt have one constructive,promising or hopeful thing to say in regards to his quest to lure Ben to Brisbane ..RedWhiteBlack wrote:on face value it doesn't sound as if the Lions have their sh!t together!
IMO Voss is just trying to keep the Brisbane Lions in the news over the off season and hopefully sign on a few new members with his blustering,ill thought out bull$hit ...
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the thing your forgetting Ben doesnt have to talk to anyone any team with a pick in the PSD has the oppertunity to call his name out even if he says he wants to go to the saints the Dees can trump us all and pick him up with their first pickohwhenthesaints! wrote:Ben isn't returning his calls, I think we'll find that there is our answer. I would have liked to think that there is more depth to Voss than a bit of a last minute scramble to secure a player to his club, but perhaps not...
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except for freo (they could do anything) would you really expect any club to take a risk of drafting an ex drug addict? Even the clubs thinking about it seem to have cold feet!!!st_Trav_ofWA wrote:the thing your forgetting Ben doesnt have to talk to anyone any team with a pick in the PSD has the oppertunity to call his name out even if he says he wants to go to the saints the Dees can trump us all and pick him up with their first pickohwhenthesaints! wrote:Ben isn't returning his calls, I think we'll find that there is our answer. I would have liked to think that there is more depth to Voss than a bit of a last minute scramble to secure a player to his club, but perhaps not...
Lets be honest, they AFL will give the green light this arvo, cousins will announce who he has signed 'in principle" and that will be it. I would not be suprised that his name was not called out.....
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nah froe are still tying to convince Ramma and Mal michael to come out of retirmentSolar wrote:except for freo (they could do anything) would you really expect any club to take a risk of drafting an ex drug addict? Even the clubs thinking about it seem to have cold feet!!!st_Trav_ofWA wrote:the thing your forgetting Ben doesnt have to talk to anyone any team with a pick in the PSD has the oppertunity to call his name out even if he says he wants to go to the saints the Dees can trump us all and pick him up with their first pickohwhenthesaints! wrote:Ben isn't returning his calls, I think we'll find that there is our answer. I would have liked to think that there is more depth to Voss than a bit of a last minute scramble to secure a player to his club, but perhaps not...
Lets be honest, they AFL will give the green light this arvo, cousins will announce who he has signed 'in principle" and that will be it. I would not be suprised that his name was not called out.....
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they could, but the convention seems to be to let them go to the club they've nominated.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:even if he says he wants to go to the saints the Dees can trump us all and pick him up with their first pick
it wouldn't do a lot for saints/demons relations.
also, i'd imagine the afl would be pretty keen for ben to go to the club that has done the hard groundwork and has a plan in place to help and mentor him.
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i agree with you its not a good idea to draft a bloke who doesnt want to play for you but drawing conclusions that Brissy are out of the race just cause benny hasnt spoke to them yet is not quite right they could stil draft him without ever speaking to himbigcarl wrote:they could, but the convention seems to be to let them go to the club they've nominated.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:even if he says he wants to go to the saints the Dees can trump us all and pick him up with their first pick
it wouldn't do a lot for saints/demons relations.
also, i'd imagine the afl would be pretty keen for ben to go to the club that has done the hard groundwork and has a plan in place to help and mentor him.
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st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i agree with you its not a good idea to draft a bloke who doesnt want to play for you but drawing conclusions that Brissy are out of the race just cause benny hasnt spoke to them yet is not quite right they could stil draft him without ever speaking to himbigcarl wrote:they could, but the convention seems to be to let them go to the club they've nominated.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:even if he says he wants to go to the saints the Dees can trump us all and pick him up with their first pick
it wouldn't do a lot for saints/demons relations.
also, i'd imagine the afl would be pretty keen for ben to go to the club that has done the hard groundwork and has a plan in place to help and mentor him.
if he comes out and says brisbane, then brisbane it will be, so long as they want him.
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Ben can send a clear message as to where he wants to go.
As a delisted player he train with any club of his choosing, and not talk to another other club.
He simply tells them to talk to Ricky Nixon.
Nixon tells them piss off.
As a delisted player he train with any club of his choosing, and not talk to another other club.
He simply tells them to talk to Ricky Nixon.
Nixon tells them piss off.
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