Lyon happy with trade, but still eyes Cousins

SaintWodonga · Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:47pm

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/ ... wsId=68880

ST KILDA coach Ross Lyon says the addition of Bulldog midfielder Farren Ray does not mean the club has lost interest in former Eagle Ben Cousins.

The Saints landed Ray and the Bulldogsâ€™ third-round pick (no. 48 overall) on the final day of trade week in exchange for its second-round pick.

But Lyon said Rayâ€™s signing was not an indication it had shied away from the idea of taking Cousins, also a midfielder, in the NAB AFL Draft or NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft.

â€œWeâ€™re all interested in Ben Cousins but what Iâ€™d like to say is thatâ€™s clearly in the hands of the AFL commission (to allow him to play)," he said.

"Benâ€™s health is a priority but everyone deserves a second chance,â€

Saints94 · Post: # 661631Post **Saints94** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:49pm

Great News by the club looking forward to season 2009

Batnoe · Post: # 661643Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:54pm

great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more

Legendary · Post: # 661645Post **Legendary** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:55pm

[quote="SaintWodonga"]
â€œWe came in with a strong plan that we wanted six picks in the national draft," he said.

"Weâ€™ve maintained our picks. We shuffled back 15 places and our recruiting guys were comfortable with that. If they had have said no we wouldnâ€™t have gone forward,â€

Saints94 · Post: # 661646Post **Saints94** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:55pm

Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more

Fiora or Howard?

Batnoe · Post: # 661647Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:56pm

homework wrote:
Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more
Fiora or Howard?

Fiora has one year on a contract

Howard re- signed for 2

would be a waste to delist them

GrumpyOne · Post: # 661650Post **GrumpyOne** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:56pm

homework wrote:
Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more
Fiora or Howard?

Or maybe Maguire.

mick13 · Post: # 661652Post **mick13** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:57pm

I fear for Birss.

Spinner · Post: # 661653Post **Spinner** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:58pm

Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more

Were we utilizing a full list to begin with?

Batnoe · Post: # 661656Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 3:58pm

Maguire wont be delisted unless he retires, i am sure he will be in our team in round 1

will be and can still be a star

Batnoe · Post: # 661659Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:02pm

The only other option i guess is Charlie Gardiner, he showed enough for one more year, but he might be the only other one.

I would imagine Melb pick him up in PSD

iceman · Post: # 661660Post **iceman** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:02pm

L. Fisher and Rix are the most likely to go.

Birss not too far behind, particularly with Ray coming in, and how close we think we might be to Cousins in PSD.

Ferguson has had plenty of backing, although i rate the bloke, and see him in a similar position to what Gram was in the VFL a few seasons ago (plenty of promise and just waiting to tear it apart one level higher) how many can we keep carrying? I do fear for him, and he is a great bloke off the field.

degruch · Post: # 661662Post **degruch** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:06pm

mick13 wrote:I fear for Birss.

I was just thinking that too! I hope not.

St Fidelius · Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:07pm

mick13 wrote:I fear for Birss.

IMO I would think that Attard would be worried than Birss...

Tough, yes, but if there was a choice between the two, Birss has more strings to his bow IMO

Joffa Burns · Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:08pm

Pretty hard to knock the reasoning behind taking Ray.
We lack pace and he ticks the box.
We lack midfield depth and he ticks this box too.
He needs some work on his hardness at the ball but we have plenty of inside mids and need players who can link up.
I donâ€™t believe his foot skills are as bad as some on here are stating.

Iâ€™d personally hoped for the following trade...
X & Raph to Port Adelaide for pick 4

We get McIntosh + 4
Lose 2 x Clarkes + pick 13

Batnoe · Post: # 661665Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:10pm

St Fidelius wrote:
mick13 wrote:I fear for Birss.
IMO I would think that Attard would be worried than Birss...

Tough, yes, but if there was a choice between the two, Birss has more strings to his bow IMO

Attard is now a rookie

So i think if we want 6 picks in normal draft there has to be 6 changes on main list

plus we move on some rookies and pick up another 4 rookies so we could have 10 changes by the end of the year

so if it is 6 off the main list attard wont be one of them

st.byron · Post: # 661666Post **st.byron** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:10pm

Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more

Batnoe, is MG re-signing confirmed? Saw the other thread saying he'd signed but no source given.

Batnoe · Post: # 661667Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:12pm

st.byron wrote:
Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more
Batnoe, is MG re-signing confirmed? Saw the other thread saying he'd signed but no source given.

i got it from the other post, i havent seen any confirmation...

st.byron · Post: # 661668Post **st.byron** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:13pm

What I like about Lyon's comments is that the club actually seems to have a plan, a direction that they're consciously going in. Changes are made in the context of overall planning and it appears that there's a cohesive and solid off-field structure. I like it.

Batnoe · Post: # 661670Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:14pm

he has also said..... Frees up Goddard, Gram, Fisher, so if that means Gram can play in the middle we could soon be a fastish team...

Legendary · Post: # 661671Post **Legendary** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:14pm

st.byron wrote:What I like about Lyon's comments is that the club actually seems to have a plan, a direction that they're consciously going in. Changes are made in the context of overall planning and it appears that there's a cohesive and solid off-field structure. I like it.

Agreed - very purposeful statement, sounds like there's been a lot of planning and very definitive comments from RL ... very good stuff

evertonfc · Post: # 661698Post **evertonfc** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:26pm

Nice sentiments from Lyon with some reasonable logic applied.

However, I disagree about it freeing those three blokes up he mentioned - I said in my post in the other thread that the player required to free them up was Lovett - a totally different player to Ray.

Ray is a midfielder; he doesn't have the composure (at this stage) to play in defence nor the footskills to play in attack.

I've been critical of Lyon at times but I've always fancied his good work at trade week. We picked up Birss and M Gardiner for #43 in the first year, Schneider, Dempster, King & C Gardiner for #26 on this day last year. We've given a little, but gained a lot - two forwards, two ruckman, a defender and a midfielder, all with something to offer.

This is perhaps his weakest of the three, but in saying that, I was very pleased with the past two. It's always nice to see us being active at trade week and in a year where little was done, it's good to see the recruiting staff and Drainy tick the deal off before it went through.

So whilst Ray doesn't make me jump for joy, he offers food for thought and hopefully, the kid we've earmarked for 31 slips through to 48

St Fidelius · Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:30pm

Batnoe wrote:great news

but 6 picks

that means we need to have 6 changes

who can they be?

With MG re-signing, we dont have much to move on

Delist

L Fisher
M Rix
M Ferguson

Retire
Harvey
Gehrig

who else will be on the block?

there has to be one more

Would that be 7 changes, seeing we picked up Farren Ray

evertonfc · Post: # 661723Post **evertonfc** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:36pm

I doubt we'll have six picks - there's a lot of deadwood we could cut from the list, but we won't.

Batnoe · Post: # 661725Post **Batnoe** » Fri 10 Oct 2008 4:37pm

it is a minimum of 3 changes off main list (retire or delist)

the fact that we traded for a player means we still have to delist or retire at least 3

the fact ross said 6 picks in national draft means there will be 4 delistings

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