Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
Don't bother about these buffoons ralphy, your common sense logic won't stop the threads coming....ralphysaints35 wrote:we wont trade kosi because 1 . he is 6 foot 6 massive build. you dont get them everywhere.
2. he is dedicated to stkilda. jst like dal, no to neither.
agree - but since we are paying him as an elite player - he needs a pay cut or to be traded to provide quad pay balance.Richter wrote:Don't bother about these buffoons ralphy, your common sense logic won't stop the threads coming....ralphysaints35 wrote:we wont trade kosi because 1 . he is 6 foot 6 massive build. you dont get them everywhere.
2. he is dedicated to stkilda. jst like dal, no to neither.
Kosi is a GOP - but he's the equivalent of 2 GOPs as his inclusion means that you don't have to play 2 out and out ruckmen. He's isn't a star ruckman but how many rucks can play up front as well as Kosi can?
Well, that obviously can't happen while he's on a contract - but at the negotiations for the next one I would expect that would be taken into account.Con Gorozidis wrote:agree - but since we are paying him as an elite player - he needs a pay cut or to be traded to provide quad pay balance.
keep him - just cut his pay 20-30%
Con Gorozidis wrote:ok im happy to keep him. but we can pay him for what he is? a good player - a 6 or 7/ 10.
we are paying him as an elite - 8 or 9/10 which he aint. he needs a 20-30% pay cut. otherwise we get list/pay/motivation imbalance within the team.
OK...Here goes.Con Gorozidis wrote:look i dont mind being wrong. this is an opinion page. i dont mind people disagreeing. but it shites me when people dont put up an argument or a counter-point on a post on the actual issue and just bag someone personally.Life Long Saint wrote:I don't think it is unfortunate at all...Moccha wrote:Con, Unfortunately you don't have a say!
Is he highly paid? How much is he on compared to Roo, Lenny and Ball? What is his market rate?Con Gorozidis wrote:firstly..
its not kosis fault he was a high draft pick
not his fault he has high expectations
not his fault he is highly paid
Con Gorozidis wrote:i feel he is a victim of circumstance. however the issue for me is a team issue. if he is getting paid double everyone else and is performing equal and putting equal effort in to everyone else then you get a performance/benchmark issue throughout the entire team.
Like it or not, that's the way it is in the real world.Con Gorozidis wrote:lets say in your job - you know the guy that sits next you gets paid double you - but u think you perform at least as well - maybe better than him/her and give at least as much if not more effort and bring equal or more business to your work - do you resent it? does it effect your motivation? F OATH it is. is it the other persons fault? NO.
So, your whole argument is based on your theory on his salary.Con Gorozidis wrote:kosi is just a victim of unfair expectations - but for him (im sure he feels the pressure) and for the others players motivation, morale and benchmarking - he should be either
a) traded; or
b) given a serious paycut
i think that is my point. no other club would pay him more than us. saints rate him higher than the market. he is getting above market rates based on his position in the draft and false expectations.Life Long Saint wrote:OK...Here goes.Con Gorozidis wrote:look i dont mind being wrong. this is an opinion page. i dont mind people disagreeing. but it shites me when people dont put up an argument or a counter-point on a post on the actual issue and just bag someone personally.Life Long Saint wrote:I don't think it is unfortunate at all...Moccha wrote:Con, Unfortunately you don't have a say!
Is he highly paid? How much is he on compared to Roo, Lenny and Ball? What is his market rate?Con Gorozidis wrote:firstly..
its not kosis fault he was a high draft pick
not his fault he has high expectations
not his fault he is highly paid
Con Gorozidis wrote:i feel he is a victim of circumstance. however the issue for me is a team issue. if he is getting paid double everyone else and is performing equal and putting equal effort in to everyone else then you get a performance/benchmark issue throughout the entire team.
Footy, like most professional occupations, is not unionised. As such, the person next to you could be on more money than you for doing the same job. Let's assume, just for yucks, that your supposition is right and he is being paid squillions. Maybe his manager is better at negotiating than others. But I think that he has skills that are in demand. St Kilda knows that Kosi could walk to any club for more money. But I'd be willing to wager that he is playing at our club for a lot less than he could of got elsewhere.
Like it or not, that's the way it is in the real world.Con Gorozidis wrote:lets say in your job - you know the guy that sits next you gets paid double you - but u think you perform at least as well - maybe better than him/her and give at least as much if not more effort and bring equal or more business to your work - do you resent it? does it effect your motivation? F OATH it is. is it the other persons fault? NO.
So, your whole argument is based on your theory on his salary.Con Gorozidis wrote:kosi is just a victim of unfair expectations - but for him (im sure he feels the pressure) and for the others players motivation, morale and benchmarking - he should be either
a) traded; or
b) given a serious paycut
If there is a question mark on the motivation and morale on the rest of the team because of your Kosi theory then we are in serious trouble.
As I said, I don't think that it is unfortunate that you have zero say in Kosi's future at our club.
Try editing your op so it makes sense.Con Gorozidis wrote:
firstly.. its not kosis fault that I'm a d1ckhead
not his fault that supporters have high expectations
i feel he is a victim of no-nothing mental midgets opinions
would be very interested to know exactly what he is being paid. Anyone actually know?Con Gorozidis wrote: this is where we differ. u reckon kosi is getting his market worth - i reckon hes getting over his market worth. simple. i put him in the category of gaspar, ben holland, jade rawlings. over-rated. over paid and over here.
no and neither does the OP.st.byron wrote:would be very interested to know exactly what he is being paid. Anyone actually know?Con Gorozidis wrote: this is where we differ. u reckon kosi is getting his market worth - i reckon hes getting over his market worth. simple. i put him in the category of gaspar, ben holland, jade rawlings. over-rated. over paid and over here.
To be honest with you... If i can get paid twice as much as my worth and half as good as the person next to me, it must mean i hold some importance and i am a good negotiator or they would get rid of me... why would i resent them for being paid half of what i am on and doing double the work? it isnt their fault they are being underpaidCon Gorozidis wrote:firstly..
its not kosis fault he was a high draft pick
not his fault he has high expectations
not his fault he is highly paid
i feel he is a victim of circumstance. however the issue for me is a team issue. if he is getting paid double everyone else and is performing equal and putting equal effort in to everyone else then you get a performance/benchmark issue throughout the entire team.
lets say in your job - you know the guy that sits next you gets paid double you - but u think you perform at least as well - maybe better than him/her and give at least as much if not more effort and bring equal or more business to your work - do you resent it? does it effect your motivation? F OATH it is. is it the other persons fault? NO.
kosi is just a victim of unfair expectations - but for him (im sure he feels the pressure) and for the others players motivation, morale and benchmarking - he should be either
a) traded; or
b) given a serious paycut
That post doesn't make sense at all, but thanks for those loving words...To the top wrote:Some Tosser says he has dissapointed as a first ruckman and as a 2nd forward.
And we should trade him for a better ruckman or a better forward.
No comment required!
Except to say he is a required player.
The question is, if he is in opposition colours, who do we match up on him?
Count me in for the Pro-Kosi team. Maybe we should start our own thread?ohwhenthesaints! wrote:You've got to be kidding, another Kosi thread....you couldn't just add your comments to one of the existing threads?
Just clarifying, that I am part of the Pro-Kosi team...who is with me!
logis is as follows - he needs to grow2 inches to be a ruckman. hes not agile enough to be a kpp. hes not an established kpp.saint75 wrote:Count me in for the Pro-Kosi team. Maybe we should start our own thread?ohwhenthesaints! wrote:You've got to be kidding, another Kosi thread....you couldn't just add your comments to one of the existing threads?
Just clarifying, that I am part of the Pro-Kosi team...who is with me!
Serious, give it up guys. He is not going anywhere! SEN (Ox - the run home) believes he is only worth a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and that we should trade him! If they traded him for anything less than a first round draft pick, I would personally send the men with the straight jackets down to visit Ross Lyon! How many established Key Position players (of Kosi's size) does he think is available in the draft?
Anyway, carry on with your Kosi bagging. Don't let a little bit of logic and loyalty stop you......
Did you see Kosi when he was at full fitness? Why do you believe he is not capable of that again? This is the first full season he has had in quite sometime and he deserves at least another 12 months to see how he goes. Besides, I could not cope seeing Kosi in another teams colours!!!!! He is a Saint and will remain that way for the remainder of his career!Con Gorozidis wrote:logis is as follows - he needs to grow2 inches to be a ruckman. hes not agile enough to be a kpp. hes not an established kpp.saint75 wrote:Count me in for the Pro-Kosi team. Maybe we should start our own thread?ohwhenthesaints! wrote:You've got to be kidding, another Kosi thread....you couldn't just add your comments to one of the existing threads?
Just clarifying, that I am part of the Pro-Kosi team...who is with me!
Serious, give it up guys. He is not going anywhere! SEN (Ox - the run home) believes he is only worth a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and that we should trade him! If they traded him for anything less than a first round draft pick, I would personally send the men with the straight jackets down to visit Ross Lyon! How many established Key Position players (of Kosi's size) does he think is available in the draft?
Anyway, carry on with your Kosi bagging. Don't let a little bit of logic and loyalty stop you......
youo guys bagging me are hilarious. bagging me wont make kosi any good. nor will wishful thinking. and bagging me wont help us win games.
the guy is an ok player - thats it. hes not a messiah waiting to happen. its not injuries holding him back. he just a tall big guy who can take the odd pack mark - but not much more than that.
he is about the same standard as nick holland and jade rawlings. tall guys with big raps & big contracts who were traded and replaced and forgotten and were duds at their new clubs.
Fantastic! Glad we have finally made you see the light!Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. ill stop criticising saints players and hold the party line that you "true saints" follow.
somehow by bagging some of our players - i am less true blue than you guys. sounds like the spanish inquisition mccartyism stalinism or nazism. NO DISSENT! only people who worship the greatness of the chosen ones can be right. any dissent and you are labelled.
from now ill follow the mantra :
all saints players are superstars and champs and the best;
only the wickedness of other teams and the afl stops us from claming the holy grail;
anyone in a saints jumper is a champion, a chosen one and all others are scum;
only injuries or outside forces stop all saints from being the great superstars they truly are;
kosi is an awesome super key position/ruckman and only injuries have prevented him from dominating the world;
lal who question or criticise are not true saints but imposters;
is this better?
I feel I am speaking for all the pro-traders when I say this, however I may not be...saint75 wrote:Did you see Kosi when he was at full fitness? Why do you believe he is not capable of that again? This is the first full season he has had in quite sometime and he deserves at least another 12 months to see how he goes. Besides, I could not cope seeing Kosi in another teams colours!!!!! He is a Saint and will remain that way for the remainder of his career!Con Gorozidis wrote:logis is as follows - he needs to grow2 inches to be a ruckman. hes not agile enough to be a kpp. hes not an established kpp.saint75 wrote:Count me in for the Pro-Kosi team. Maybe we should start our own thread?ohwhenthesaints! wrote:You've got to be kidding, another Kosi thread....you couldn't just add your comments to one of the existing threads?
Just clarifying, that I am part of the Pro-Kosi team...who is with me!
Serious, give it up guys. He is not going anywhere! SEN (Ox - the run home) believes he is only worth a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and that we should trade him! If they traded him for anything less than a first round draft pick, I would personally send the men with the straight jackets down to visit Ross Lyon! How many established Key Position players (of Kosi's size) does he think is available in the draft?
Anyway, carry on with your Kosi bagging. Don't let a little bit of logic and loyalty stop you......
youo guys bagging me are hilarious. bagging me wont make kosi any good. nor will wishful thinking. and bagging me wont help us win games.
the guy is an ok player - thats it. hes not a messiah waiting to happen. its not injuries holding him back. he just a tall big guy who can take the odd pack mark - but not much more than that.
he is about the same standard as nick holland and jade rawlings. tall guys with big raps & big contracts who were traded and replaced and forgotten and were duds at their new clubs.
Yes, I am loyal and I STRONGLY believe Kosi will repay the club for the time and the effort they have put into him! Just mark my words.........come back to this thread in 12 months time so I have the pleasure in shouting "I TOLD YOU SO!!"
umm its a team sport. team needs to be united.. your attitude is not something id like to see within a team. its not evryone for himself and bad luck if u cant negotiate.Batnoe wrote:To be honest with you... If i can get paid twice as much as my worth and half as good as the person next to me, it must mean i hold some importance and i am a good negotiator or they would get rid of me... why would i resent them for being paid half of what i am on and doing double the work? it isnt their fault they are being underpaidCon Gorozidis wrote:firstly..
its not kosis fault he was a high draft pick
not his fault he has high expectations
not his fault he is highly paid
i feel he is a victim of circumstance. however the issue for me is a team issue. if he is getting paid double everyone else and is performing equal and putting equal effort in to everyone else then you get a performance/benchmark issue throughout the entire team.
lets say in your job - you know the guy that sits next you gets paid double you - but u think you perform at least as well - maybe better than him/her and give at least as much if not more effort and bring equal or more business to your work - do you resent it? does it effect your motivation? F OATH it is. is it the other persons fault? NO.
kosi is just a victim of unfair expectations - but for him (im sure he feels the pressure) and for the others players motivation, morale and benchmarking - he should be either
a) traded; or
b) given a serious paycut
who did the hawks and cats put on him in the finals series when he kicked zero goals and did sweet f all?To the top wrote:Some Tosser says he has dissapointed as a first ruckman and as a 2nd forward.
And we should trade him for a better ruckman or a better forward.
No comment required!
Except to say he is a required player.
The question is, if he is in opposition colours, who do we match up on him?
so first you want to trade him coz he's next to useless in your opnion... now you say it's ok to keep a useless player as long as they are paid accordingly??Con Gorozidis wrote:agree - but since we are paying him as an elite player - he needs a pay cut or to be traded to provide quad pay balance.Richter wrote:Don't bother about these buffoons ralphy, your common sense logic won't stop the threads coming....ralphysaints35 wrote:we wont trade kosi because 1 . he is 6 foot 6 massive build. you dont get them everywhere.
2. he is dedicated to stkilda. jst like dal, no to neither.
Kosi is a GOP - but he's the equivalent of 2 GOPs as his inclusion means that you don't have to play 2 out and out ruckmen. He's isn't a star ruckman but how many rucks can play up front as well as Kosi can?
keep him - just cut his pay 20-30%
I suspect that Roo, Kosi and Dal gave up better offers from other clubs to stay together.Con Gorozidis wrote:umm its a team sport. team needs to be united.. your attitude is not something id like to see within a team. its not evryone for himself and bad luck if u cant negotiate.Batnoe wrote:To be honest with you... If i can get paid twice as much as my worth and half as good as the person next to me, it must mean i hold some importance and i am a good negotiator or they would get rid of me... why would i resent them for being paid half of what i am on and doing double the work? it isnt their fault they are being underpaidCon Gorozidis wrote:firstly..
its not kosis fault he was a high draft pick
not his fault he has high expectations
not his fault he is highly paid
i feel he is a victim of circumstance. however the issue for me is a team issue. if he is getting paid double everyone else and is performing equal and putting equal effort in to everyone else then you get a performance/benchmark issue throughout the entire team.
lets say in your job - you know the guy that sits next you gets paid double you - but u think you perform at least as well - maybe better than him/her and give at least as much if not more effort and bring equal or more business to your work - do you resent it? does it effect your motivation? F OATH it is. is it the other persons fault? NO.
kosi is just a victim of unfair expectations - but for him (im sure he feels the pressure) and for the others players motivation, morale and benchmarking - he should be either
a) traded; or
b) given a serious paycut
pre-lim final kosi v hawks = 0 goals
qualifying final kosi v cats = 0 goals
