why i think we should trade kosi

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:12pm

firstly..
its not kosis fault he was a high draft pick
not his fault he has high expectations
not his fault he is highly paid

i feel he is a victim of circumstance. however the issue for me is a team issue. if he is getting paid double everyone else and is performing equal and putting equal effort in to everyone else then you get a performance/benchmark issue throughout the entire team.

lets say in your job - you know the guy that sits next you gets paid double you - but u think you perform at least as well - maybe better than him/her and give at least as much if not more effort and bring equal or more business to your work - do you resent it? does it effect your motivation? F OATH it is. is it the other persons fault? NO.

kosi is just a victim of unfair expectations - but for him (im sure he feels the pressure) and for the others players motivation, morale and benchmarking - he should be either

a) traded; or
b) given a serious paycut

Moccha · Post: # 657021Post **Moccha** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:13pm

Con, Unfortunately you don't have a say!

NoMore · Post: # 657024Post **NoMore** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:15pm

Unfortunatley for us we may find him hard to trade as he is being paid way more than he is worth.

This might turn clubs away

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:15pm

Moccha wrote:Con, Unfortunately you don't have a say!

yeah i know that. i thats why i thought we had this forum? to give the voiceless a voice.

milney044 · Post: # 657028Post **milney044** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:19pm

And yet another new post on Kosi. Talk about being flavour of the month, unfortunately for him it's generally unfavourable discussion about him.

NoMore · Post: # 657033Post **NoMore** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:21pm

Actually i'll be honest we need him.

Ross loves ruckmen so unless we get a ready made ruckmen there is no way he is going anywhere.

McEvoy is young and most likely a dud so we need kosi for at least the next 5 to 6 years

Ralphy · Post: # 657036Post **Ralphy** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:21pm

Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.

plugger66 · Post: # 657037Post **plugger66** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:22pm

ralphysaints35 wrote:Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.

You keep saying this but how do you know for sure?

NoMore · Post: # 657038Post **NoMore** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:23pm

Because the two things we are short of are a ruckmen and a quality midfielders.

I think both are soft and under preform but cant get rid of stuff u need

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:25pm

plugger66 wrote:
ralphysaints35 wrote:Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.
You keep saying this but how do you know for sure?

i think because they are contracted and no other club would be prepared to pay what we are paying - which means we would have to pay some of their wage at another club. think nick holland, jade rawlings....

Life Long Saint · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:26pm

Moccha wrote:Con, Unfortunately you don't have a say!

I don't think it is unfortunate at all...

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:39pm

NoMore wrote:Because the two things we are short of are a ruckmen and a quality midfielders.

I think both are soft and under preform but cant get rid of stuff u need

i dont want to trade dal by the way. for the record.

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:41pm

Life Long Saint wrote:
Moccha wrote:Con, Unfortunately you don't have a say!
I don't think it is unfortunate at all...

look i dont mind being wrong. this is an opinion page. i dont mind people disagreeing. but it shites me when people dont put up an argument or a counter-point on a post on the actual issue and just bag someone personally.

saintsrus · Post: # 657054Post **saintsrus** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:46pm

How can we justify trading him

King isnt getting younger and is injury prone.

Will Mg be there next year and same with injuries

If Kings out, who do we have left, Mcevoy and Rix, not a combination that would satisfy

Blake has his spot now down back

Kosi will stay, we have no choice

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:49pm

saintsrus wrote:How can we justify trading him

King isnt getting younger and is injury prone.

Will Mg be there next year and same with injuries

If Kings out, who do we have left, Mcevoy and Rix, not a combination that would satisfy

Blake has his spot now down back

Kosi will stay, we have no choice

i know all that. just think that at 196cm - he is NOT a ruckmen. we need to face the fact we need another ruckmen (i know it is an awful thought given how many ruckmen we have been through in the last few years)

Eastern · Post: # 657057Post **Eastern** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:49pm

Hey Con !!

Are you related to or the ultra ego of GREG (DOPEY) DENHAM? !!

Moccha · Post: # 657058Post **Moccha** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:54pm

plugger66 wrote:
ralphysaints35 wrote:Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.
You keep saying this but how do you know for sure?

Maybe they stink

Ralphy · Post: # 657060Post **Ralphy** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 5:55pm

Moccha wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
ralphysaints35 wrote:Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.
You keep saying this but how do you know for sure?
Maybe they stink

the club will not trade either of these 2

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:00pm

ralphysaints35 wrote:
Moccha wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
ralphysaints35 wrote:Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.
You keep saying this but how do you know for sure?
Maybe they stink
the club will not trade either of these 2

we wont trade them because no other club will pay their wage and we arent going to pay half their wage at a rival club.

trading dal would be madness - you can NEVER have enough good midfielders.

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:01pm

Eastern wrote:Hey Con !!

Are you related to or the ultra ego of GREG (DOPEY) DENHAM? !!

no comment

Ralphy · Post: # 657064Post **Ralphy** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:01pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:
ralphysaints35 wrote:
Moccha wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
ralphysaints35 wrote:Will Not Be Traded
and neither will Dal.
You keep saying this but how do you know for sure?
Maybe they stink
the club will not trade either of these 2
we wont trade them because no other club will pay their wage and we arent going to pay half their wage at a rival club.

trading dal would be madness - you can NEVER have enough good midfielders.

we wont trade kosi because 1 . he is 6 foot 6 massive build. you dont get them everywhere.
2. he is dedicated to stkilda. jst like dal, no to neither.

Armoooo · Post: # 657067Post **Armoooo** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:08pm

Ok here is my take on the whole thing, everyone says we need him because of his potential and his versatility etc. etc.

I always hear how he is our potential first ruck man and our potential second forward yet he has done nothing but disappoint in both positions.

If we could trade Kosi for a player who is a better forward or a better ruckman then him aswell as a draft pick we would be the big winners in that trade.

Eg. Kosi for Seaby and a second rounder.

Seaby is not a great ruckman but he is a better back up than Kosi or Rix... We could then pick up a KPF with that second round, whether it be through trade or draft...

The same thing goes for Dal Santo, we could pick up a player who does the exact same job, albeit not quite as good and get a draft pick aswell...

IMO we need to target Seaby and Reilly, because given a choice I would much rather have Seaby, Reilly and two second rounders rather than Dal and Kosi.

But I'm still happy to see if Sydney or Freo will have a trade week brain fart and offer out a 1st rounder for Kosi

bigcarl · Post: # 657071Post **bigcarl** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:14pm

don't trade him, just recognise that he isn't going to make it as a key position forward and is best used as second ruck.

he'll look a hell of a lot better with a fast-leading full forward beside him.

To the top · Post: # 657075Post **To the top** » Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:23pm

Some Tosser says he has dissapointed as a first ruckman and as a 2nd forward.

And we should trade him for a better ruckman or a better forward.

No comment required!

Except to say he is a required player.

The question is, if he is in opposition colours, who do we match up on him?

Con Gorozidis · Wed 01 Oct 2008 6:23pm

bigcarl wrote:don't trade him, just recognise that he isn't going to make it as a key position forward and is best used as second ruck.

he'll look a hell of a lot better with a fast-leading full forward beside him.

ok im happy to keep him. but we can pay him for what he is? a good player - a 6 or 7/ 10.

we are paying him as an elite - 8 or 9/10 which he aint. he needs a 20-30% pay cut. otherwise we get list/pay/motivation imbalance within the team.