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plugger66 wrote:Did you see their midfield on saturday night. That is where it was won.
what about the game on friday night?
the bulldogs dominated the midfield for much of the second half, but could not put a score on the board. they had no forwards.
that's why i do not go for blanket statements like "games are won and lost in the midfield".
of course the midfield is important. very important. but let's not forget to kick a winning score.
point is we will never beat hawthorn or geelong by trying to restrict them to losing scores. to beat them you have to outscore them and i can't see us doing it with riewoldt and milne and little else.
plugger66 wrote:Did you see their midfield on saturday night. That is where it was won.
what about the game on friday night?
the bulldogs dominated the midfield for much of the second half, but could not put a score on the board. they had no forwards.
that's why i do not go for blanket statements like "games are won and lost in the midfield".
of course the midfield is important. very important. but let's not forget to kick a winning score.
point is we will never beat hawthorn or geelong by trying to restrict them to losing scores. to beat them you have to outscore them and i can't see us doing it with riewoldt and milne and little else.
Thought Bartel and Ablett were pretty good on Friday. Having said that the forwards from both teams didnt have any real baring on the result. Matter of fact BOG was the Dogs FB.
the bulldogs kicked eight behinds in a row at one stage in the third quarter, if they'd had even one key forward who could take a mark and kick a goal they'd have won or gone very close.
Red wrote:
You don't need a great fullforward to win a premiership. You do need a great midfield.
well you don't necessarily need two gun key forwards to win a premiership
but it sure as hell helps
we need another top key forward ... maybe goddard ... to help out riewoldt if we are to threaten hawthorn, the benchmark team in the competition.
the cats today could not kick a goal to save themselves. they had plenty of it down there, but couldn't put a score on the board.
the lack of targets in which they had confidence made them slow and hesitant going forward, unlike the barnstorming hawks.
Surely watching today proves forwards are not as important as they once were.
gimme a break.
hawthorn, the best team in the competition ... the benchmark team and reigning premiers ... have two gun key forwards who kicked 200 goals between them for the season.
we have one and he kicked 60 something.
we are seriously outgunned unless we commit zome resources to the forward line.
their lesser lights were among the goals today, but that's because of the paranoia about covering franklin and roughhead.
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Red wrote:
You don't need a great fullforward to win a premiership. You do need a great midfield.
well you don't necessarily need two gun key forwards to win a premiership
but it sure as hell helps
we need another top key forward ... maybe goddard ... to help out riewoldt if we are to threaten hawthorn, the benchmark team in the competition.
the cats today could not kick a goal to save themselves. they had plenty of it down there, but couldn't put a score on the board.
the lack of targets in which they had confidence made them slow and hesitant going forward, unlike the barnstorming hawks.
Surely watching today proves forwards are not as important as they once were.
gimme a break.
the best team in the competition; the benchmark team and reigning premiers had two key forwards who kicked 200 goals between them.
The game not what happened through the year otherwise we would only talk aout Geelond and their leading goalkicker was?
we have one and he kicked 60 something.
1994 - West Coast - Sumich
1995 - Carlton - Kernahan
1996 - North Melbourne - Carey, Longmire
1997/98 - Adelaide - Jarman
1999 - North Melbourne - Carey
2000 - Essendon - Lloyd
2001/02/03 - Brisbane Lions - Lynch, Brown
2004 - Port Adelaide - Tredrea
2005 - Sydney - Hall
2006 - West Coast - Lynch*
2007 - Geelong - Mooney*
2008 - Hawthorn - Franklin, Roughead
Only twice in the last 15 years have teams won a premiership without what I would call a "gun" or "star" forward.
They were the Eagles in '06 and Geelong in '07. I don't rate Mooney or Lynch as decent footballers. However, in both years, Mooney and Lynch kicked 60+ goals.
So every premiership team for the last 15 years has had a "key forward" who has kicked 60+ goals during that year.
As RL said we need to add talent and systems to ALL facets of our game. Another key forward, and more quality and speed in the midfield are definite requirements. The trade/drafting period will be very interesting indeed.
Should try hard to get O'Keefe to the club, he is lready 28 so he wont cost that much imo, plus we saw how cheap ross god Dempster and Sneider for, just because of his conections wth sydney..imagine this:
DAL ROO O'KEEFE
MILNE GODDARD SNEIDER
or if you arnt keen on Goddard moving away from the midfeild throw Kosi at FF, Either way that forward line looks alot better with O'Keefe in it imo, he is a real class player..
The back 6 is settled without injury, and say we get cousins to the club our midfield would look very good too...especially if we pick up a young gun from the draft with our first pick, or if armitage comes along.
we don't need another quality forward imo!!
our midfield is the worry we need more ball winners who are damaging and can score goals!!!
geelong an hawthorn have them everywhere especially geelong there midfield is so damaging that's why guys like johnson an chapman etc kick alot of goals!!
if we can add anywhere between 4-8 good midfielders to the side that can give us some grunt and speed aswell as kick goals we will be up there with the hawks and pussies, and guys like kosi and dal will find it easier with dal become more damaging with a lesser tag on him and kosi would get better delivery an quicker ball movement leading to better preformances!!
BJ will be our best midfielder next year who gives a rats if he''d be an alright forward (which he does lack extreme acceleration) which FF's need... He's going to be our main midfielder people must dea lwith that...
allen might be okay, but just 23 goals for casey this season suggests that he's not there yet.
i. too, hope he is the answer, but if he's not we'll need to think quickly and not too rigidly about who can play full forward.
i see a strong correlation between the hawks winning the premiership and their having two absolute guns - who kicked about 190 goals between them - in their key forward positions.
imo it lifts the midfield and encourages direct and quick movement of the ball into the forward line like we had a few years ago when gehrig was at his peak.
while neither buddy nor roughhead had a day out in the grand final, the paranoia about covering both of them allowed lesser lights to step up.
