Belvedere Park drawings at saints.com.au

[RedWhiteBlack]

Was just looking at Archie's responses to this week's "Ask Archie" on Saint Central and he said the Club had just loaded a drawing of Belvedere Park on to the website. It's here for anyone that has not seen it yet:

http://www.saints.com.au/Frankston/tabi ... fault.aspx

[ausfatcat]

thanks been waiting for these

[ausfatcat]

wish it was a more detailed one thou, like what archie had at the news conference.

[BigMart]

Why the VFL Oval????

who is going to play VFL there????
Frankston?

[chook23]

Why the VFL Oval????

who is going to play VFL there????
Frankston?

Is it for Southern league

[The Saintsational Man]

Are they planning a media missile defence system?

Anytime a chopper or reporter is peeking they get hit with a rubber missile!!!

[St Chris]

An even million for the AFL oval????

Obviously individually hand planted grass seeds at with exactly 5mm gaps.

And please tell me the postal address is going to be East Road, not Te-tree crescent???

Can just imagine Hutchy now....

"reports coming from Te-Tree Crescent tonight that the Saints have....." etc

[casey scorp]

wish it was a more detailed one thou, like what archie had at the news conference.

It's the same as the one Archie had at the news conference (see home page of saintscentral which shows Archie and others and a copy of this plan):

http://www.saintscentral.com.au/

Why the VFL Oval????

who is going to play VFL there????
Frankston?

The AFL Oval is full size (ie MCG dimensions), but the “VFL Ovalâ€

[Pwoit]

Google image HERE

[Otiman]

Exclusive interview on belvedere park here


(hooray for not bigpond video)

[casey scorp]

Exclusive interview on belvedere park here


(hooray for not bigpond video)

Not too exclusive on youtube. Also on saintscentral:

http://www.saintscentral.com.au/Detail.aspx?id=556

[plugger66]

Exclusive interview on belvedere park here


(hooray for not bigpond video)

Not too exclusive on youtube. Also on saintscentral:

http://www.saintscentral.com.au/Detail.aspx?id=556

Apparently also on the Casey council website.

[casey scorp]

Wrong again plugger66.

In fact not even on the Frankston Council website.

[plugger66]

Wrong again plugger66.

In fact not even on the Frankston Council website.

Sorry thought it was in the section called thank god we are out of there area.

[casey scorp]

Wrong again plugger66.

In fact not even on the Frankston Council website.

Sorry thought it was in the section called thank god we are out of there area.

Don't worry - you will soon enough wish that you were.

[plugger66]

Wrong again plugger66.

In fact not even on the Frankston Council website.

Sorry thought it was in the section called thank god we are out of there area.

Don't worry - you will soon enough wish that you were.

Thats the thing I will not care. They will train there. They could train on the moon if it suited the players. I think you need to get your head around the fact that we are not playing there so does it matter if you cannot get to the ground or it is in the middle of nowhere as Casey is.

[casey scorp]

Thats the thing I will not care. They will train there. They could train on the moon if it suited the players. I think you need to get your head around the fact that we are not playing there so does it matter if you cannot get to the ground or it is in the middle of nowhere as Casey is.

Interesting comment that one:

"...we are not playing there so does it matter if (you cannot get to the ground or) it is in (the middle of nowhere as) Casey (is)."

I agree with you, so the decision should have been made on a number of other, relevant, factors.

However, the decision was made on the basis of getting an asset and proximity to cafes and a view of the sea. All now down the drain of course, and not part of the deal at Belvedere Park in Seaford.

[plugger66]

Thats the thing I will not care. They will train there. They could train on the moon if it suited the players. I think you need to get your head around the fact that we are not playing there so does it matter if you cannot get to the ground or it is in the middle of nowhere as Casey is.

Interesting comment that one:

"...we are not playing there so does it matter if (you cannot get to the ground or) it is in (the middle of nowhere as) Casey (is)."

I agree with you, so the decision should have been made on a number of other, relevant, factors.

However, the decision was made on the basis of getting an asset and proximity to cafes and a view of the sea. All now down the drain of course, and not part of the deal at Belvedere Park in Seaford.

Do you have a canteen at work. It is a 10 minute drive to Frankston but there are closer shops.

By the way what do want to happen know that we are committed to this site?

[Bernard Shakey]

C'mon Tassie, looking good.

Google shot looks good, shows one oval and a rectangle that are miraculously going to be transformed into an "elite training facility", three ovals and an admin centre.

Me thinks the club has farked up again.

[ausfatcat]

Why are you so convince the saints are going to Tassie??


They are spending 11 million in seaford so they can move to Tassie?


Also why can't they change a shape of a oval I am pretty sure the technology exists today for them to do that, they call it a shovel. And also theres this new thing thats let people build a new building on a site where no building currently exists it's called concrete.

[casey scorp]

Do you have a canteen at work. It is a 10 minute drive to Frankston but there are closer shops.

Not one that serves lattes.

Yep, there's some fine cafes just around the corner from Belevedere Park.

By the way what do want to happen know that we are committed to this site?

As you say we are committed to Belvedere Park. In the last couple of years we have also been just as (if not more) committed to Linton Street and Frankston Park. We are getting a reputation of rushing in like firemen and not doing due diligence.

Frankston Park was never going to work. While the lemmings all cheered, anyone with any sense could see the pitfalls. The outcome was inevitable - it was just a matter of time.

Belvedere Park, I'm sorry to tell you, also has some problems.

Funding may well become an issue when the Frankston Council's $3 million contribution is clarified as really being $4 million. That's when there might just be a public reaction to the misleading claim that the Council is maintaining its position of contributing only $3 million.

Plus there is the planning process which might throw up some objections to the development of an AFL training & admin complex in a residential street (and before you say that Linton Street is a residential street, which it is in part, the fact is that the residents close to Belvedere Park aren't that fussed about who lives in Linton Street).

Just a couple of issues, in the leadup to a Council election.

In response to your question, which is a bit nonsensical if it is premised on the development definitely occurring at Belvedere Park so I'll respond on the basis that you're asking what I think should happen. I think we should redevelope at Linton Street. We control the ground, don't have to share it with anyone, a fantastic oval already exists, costs can be minimised because of an additional grant available from the State Govt

[ausfatcat]

costs can be minimised because of an additional grant available from the State Govt

Where is that going to come from?

[plugger66]

Do you have a canteen at work. It is a 10 minute drive to Frankston but there are closer shops.

Not one that serves lattes.

Yep, there's some fine cafes just around the corner from Belevedere Park.

By the way what do want to happen know that we are committed to this site?

As you say we are committed to Belvedere Park. In the last couple of years we have also been just as (if not more) committed to Linton Street and Frankston Park. We are getting a reputation of rushing in like firemen and not doing due diligence.

Frankston Park was never going to work. While the lemmings all cheered, anyone with any sense could see the pitfalls. The outcome was inevitable - it was just a matter of time.

Belvedere Park, I'm sorry to tell you, also has some problems.

Funding may well become an issue when the Frankston Council's $3 million contribution is clarified as really being $4 million. That's when there might just be a public reaction to the misleading claim that the Council is maintaining its position of contributing only $3 million.

Plus there is the planning process which might throw up some objections to the development of an AFL training & admin complex in a residential street (and before you say that Linton Street is a residential street, which it is in part, the fact is that the residents close to Belvedere Park aren't that fussed about who lives in Linton Street).

Just a couple of issues, in the leadup to a Council election.

In response to your question, which is a bit nonsensical if it is premised on the development definitely occurring at Belvedere Park so I'll respond on the basis that you're asking what I think should happen. I think we should redevelope at Linton Street. We control the ground, don't have to share it with anyone, a fantastic oval already exists, costs can be minimised because of an additional grant available from the State Govt

That is funny about Linton St. You obviously do not know the Kingston council. It is over and I wish it wasnt but it is finished just like Casey is. Lets jump on board the other ground and make it work. Last time we changed training loctions we won a flag a year later. Jump on board for the ride of your life.

[casey scorp]

C'mon Tassie, looking good.

Google shot looks good, shows one oval and a rectangle that are miraculously going to be transformed into an "elite training facility", three ovals and an admin centre.

Me thinks the club has farked up again.

Don't be impressed with the 3 other ovals shown on the plan. Apart from the St Kilda oval, the largest is too narrow to be an elite ground and the 2 small ovals are too small for a junior football club (standard junior ovals are 135 x 110 - these two are 105 x 85). They might be ok for Auskick clinics, or really young underage teams (and if you look at the demographics of the area, I'd be surprised if in fact the population of the Seaford area isn't ageing).

Your conclusion will be on the money.

[casey scorp]

costs can be minimised because of an additional grant available from the State Govt

Where is that going to come from?

State Govt announced a $500,000 grant a few months ago specifically for demolition of the Linton Street grandstands. Totally separate to any other funding.