Lets get serious about these 3 players
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Just like Geelong a couple of years earlier, some of those young Hawks players out there last Saturday were all just finding their over the last couple of years, similar to Eddy, Armo, Allen, Gwilt, Raph, McEvoy and McQ. We need to build around a core of young players and the future will look a lot brighter. We just need to recruit a couple more strong bodies with a bit of leg speed.
i am sick of people defending Mini. He is a first round pick and has delivered nothing. He is a tagger who doesn't really stop all that well. And i doubt going on recent form he even knows what a football looks like. Surely in 120 mins of AFL u could accidently stumble across the ball a few times. Not Mini he is a 1 dimensional PLODDER.
As for Eddy can't really see an upside to him at all. Unskilled, Slow, Poor Mark and a bad kick for goal. Don't really know whether he reads the play all that well either.
Look i liked Fiora but i have finally fallen into line with everyone else. Delist him. surely if all the members put in $10 we can delist him.
I also think we are wasting our time with Rix, Ferguson, Howard, Gardener(who is no better than swarze in fact may actually be worse), Attard is hopeless. And i am not sure about whether jarryd allen will make it.
Can't believe Armo wasn't given more time in the midfield considering next year we will be desparete for at least one more mid with harvey retiring. Lyon needed to start blooding midfielders.
For yet another year Hayes, Ball, Dal Santo, Harvey and Montagna have carried a midfield that lacks depth through shear hard work. Any idiot could see we need extra mids.
As for Eddy can't really see an upside to him at all. Unskilled, Slow, Poor Mark and a bad kick for goal. Don't really know whether he reads the play all that well either.
Look i liked Fiora but i have finally fallen into line with everyone else. Delist him. surely if all the members put in $10 we can delist him.
I also think we are wasting our time with Rix, Ferguson, Howard, Gardener(who is no better than swarze in fact may actually be worse), Attard is hopeless. And i am not sure about whether jarryd allen will make it.
Can't believe Armo wasn't given more time in the midfield considering next year we will be desparete for at least one more mid with harvey retiring. Lyon needed to start blooding midfielders.
For yet another year Hayes, Ball, Dal Santo, Harvey and Montagna have carried a midfield that lacks depth through shear hard work. Any idiot could see we need extra mids.
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Spot on!NoMore wrote:i am sick of people defending Mini. He is a first round pick and has delivered nothing. He is a tagger who doesn't really stop all that well. And i doubt going on recent form he even knows what a football looks like. Surely in 120 mins of AFL u could accidently stumble across the ball a few times. Not Mini he is a 1 dimensional PLODDER.
As for Eddy can't really see an upside to him at all. Unskilled, Slow, Poor Mark and a bad kick for goal. Don't really know whether he reads the play all that well either.
Look i liked Fiora but i have finally fallen into line with everyone else. Delist him. surely if all the members put in $10 we can delist him.
I also think we are wasting our time with Rix, Ferguson, Howard, Gardener(who is no better than swarze in fact may actually be worse), Attard is hopeless. And i am not sure about whether jarryd allen will make it.
Can't believe Armo wasn't given more time in the midfield considering next year we will be desparete for at least one more mid with harvey retiring. Lyon needed to start blooding midfielders.
For yet another year Hayes, Ball, Dal Santo, Harvey and Montagna have carried a midfield that lacks depth through shear hard work. Any idiot could see we need extra mids.
However knowing this WHY OH WHY would we recruit Ben Mcevoy, when there was a Palmer or Rioli available...
Our Recruiting is killing Any chance we have of contending.
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Goddard is a great player because of his phenomenal long kicking, ability to read the play, his imposing frame and his strong overhead marking. Eddy has none of those features.groupie1 wrote:Eddy - young guy, will learn the toughness to stay on his feet - I think they see a future B Goddard. Definitely keep.
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Errrrrr... coz we didn't have any reasonable ruckmen?tweedaletomanning wrote:Spot on!NoMore wrote:i am sick of people defending Mini. He is a first round pick and has delivered nothing. He is a tagger who doesn't really stop all that well. And i doubt going on recent form he even knows what a football looks like. Surely in 120 mins of AFL u could accidently stumble across the ball a few times. Not Mini he is a 1 dimensional PLODDER.
As for Eddy can't really see an upside to him at all. Unskilled, Slow, Poor Mark and a bad kick for goal. Don't really know whether he reads the play all that well either.
Look i liked Fiora but i have finally fallen into line with everyone else. Delist him. surely if all the members put in $10 we can delist him.
I also think we are wasting our time with Rix, Ferguson, Howard, Gardener(who is no better than swarze in fact may actually be worse), Attard is hopeless. And i am not sure about whether jarryd allen will make it.
Can't believe Armo wasn't given more time in the midfield considering next year we will be desparete for at least one more mid with harvey retiring. Lyon needed to start blooding midfielders.
For yet another year Hayes, Ball, Dal Santo, Harvey and Montagna have carried a midfield that lacks depth through shear hard work. Any idiot could see we need extra mids.
However knowing this WHY OH WHY would we recruit Ben Mcevoy, when there was a Palmer or Rioli available...
Our Recruiting is killing Any chance we have of contending.
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its time to go.......fizzy
no good.
eddy....keep.
ok skills arent ablett like but skills can be developed, give him another year and let him find a spot and work on those skills.
mini....hmmm, have to say more gone than keep
seems to be a tagger and thats it
had a good chance now, tough call but...gone
um yeah we took big ben because we had no ruck depth, and when u have hayes, ball, joey, BJ, dal...youd think u could get away with not recruiting a mid.
right call to get a ruckman.....at that time
no good.
eddy....keep.
ok skills arent ablett like but skills can be developed, give him another year and let him find a spot and work on those skills.
mini....hmmm, have to say more gone than keep
seems to be a tagger and thats it
had a good chance now, tough call but...gone
um yeah we took big ben because we had no ruck depth, and when u have hayes, ball, joey, BJ, dal...youd think u could get away with not recruiting a mid.
right call to get a ruckman.....at that time
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Re: Lets get serious about these 3 players
Think Eddy has some ability but the other two should go,fiora has disapointed me for a long time.steph wrote:Eddy, Mini and Fiora
Unfortunately, we can't win preliminary finals, with these 3 in the team
Regarding Mini and Eddy, the kids bust their guts, they run hard, they follow instructions and give it their all. But at the end of the day, they just aren't up to it.
The hawks and the cats don't have players in their side as bad as these guys.
Fiora: couldn't believe he was playing a prelim final, particularly after his performance for the scorps last week. We were actually joking about it before the game and then our nightmare came true. The hawks totally bullied us, and are far more aggressive at both the player and the ball. Fiora doesnt have an aggressive bone in his body.
Decisions have to be made. Fiora and Mini MUST be delisted. Eddy will probably be persisted with cos he's first yr. However, he's definitely not going to make it.
This is not a knee-jerk reaction, they have been triers and battlers all yr. I'm fed up with triers. we need winners.
We have alot of tenacious players, and not enough talented players... You need tenacity as an addative, not as the main weapon...
Mini, Eddy, CJ, Attard are all good tryers, but lack big time in the talent stakes, and this is much harder to develop...
When we have the ball, all our payers have to be able to hurt the opposition... None of these guys do this often enough, if at all... The only exception is possibly CJ, as he has great pace and can run and carry... Doesnt happen much though...
As for Fiora... My god, when will we be put out of our misery... Just get rid of him once and for all...
I cannot belive he was selected for the prelim final after his obnoxious action in the Scorpions loss the week before, when he threw the ball in his opponants head after the final siren... Just a losers mentality..
Mini, Eddy, CJ, Attard are all good tryers, but lack big time in the talent stakes, and this is much harder to develop...
When we have the ball, all our payers have to be able to hurt the opposition... None of these guys do this often enough, if at all... The only exception is possibly CJ, as he has great pace and can run and carry... Doesnt happen much though...
As for Fiora... My god, when will we be put out of our misery... Just get rid of him once and for all...
I cannot belive he was selected for the prelim final after his obnoxious action in the Scorpions loss the week before, when he threw the ball in his opponants head after the final siren... Just a losers mentality..
Red wrote:Steph, the problem with Eddy and the marking contest, but the guy who
kicked so high and slow and Eddy had to stand under it.
Eddy did nothing wrong, he didn't pull out of the contest, what more was
he to do.
jump off one foot for a start. he looked like a cheerleader jumping off both feet, arms totally outstretched not even having his hands in the right position to mark the ball. just show us you have ONE ounce of skill and something to develop. we lack class big time. eddy falls into this category. therefore he is of no use.
Personally think that Eddy is is on the verge of a break through game. He runs hard and to the right spots, sticks tackles and never gives up. A couple of marks stick and a couple of goals sail through in the same match and I think we could see a shot of confidence that will make him a good player.
Maybe this year?
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"We need to get better at identifying junior talent&quo
I Agree.
This is one vital area the football dept. or recruiting dept. (?) can work @
The neglect of absent investment under Butters may be coming home to roost. Look everywhere and find some class youngsters please!
G O S A I N T S !
This is one vital area the football dept. or recruiting dept. (?) can work @
The neglect of absent investment under Butters may be coming home to roost. Look everywhere and find some class youngsters please!
G O S A I N T S !
The boy can play and we can build a defence around him that will have respect.
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I have to say I agree with Steph on this one. If anything I would have gone further. And Steph is spot on when she says it's nowt to do with effort or determination, simply a matter of ability. I look at a number of our guys coming through and really wonder whether they are going to make it.
Disappointing as Saturday night was, and I can assure you I'm not talking through my kick, but I commented to some of my hawks mates this week not to get too carried away about their chances on the weekend based on sat night's result because we had at minimum seven people in our starting line-up on saturday who in my opinon really are borderline as to whether they are up to AFL standard let alone finals standard (Fiora, Eddy, Jones, Gilbert, McQualter, Gwilt and Armitage).
Granted some of these guys are very young and deserve to be given more time. But not all of them. I don't want to be accused of hating on our guys because im not. I respect them all for their efforts. But i do think it is testament to our core group of players that we were able to get so far with a list featuring a number of players who really are yet to prove themselves at AFL level.
I for one am gravely concerned about our immediate future. I think things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, much as it saddens me to say it. Will be intrigued to see what we do in the off season.
Disappointing as Saturday night was, and I can assure you I'm not talking through my kick, but I commented to some of my hawks mates this week not to get too carried away about their chances on the weekend based on sat night's result because we had at minimum seven people in our starting line-up on saturday who in my opinon really are borderline as to whether they are up to AFL standard let alone finals standard (Fiora, Eddy, Jones, Gilbert, McQualter, Gwilt and Armitage).
Granted some of these guys are very young and deserve to be given more time. But not all of them. I don't want to be accused of hating on our guys because im not. I respect them all for their efforts. But i do think it is testament to our core group of players that we were able to get so far with a list featuring a number of players who really are yet to prove themselves at AFL level.
I for one am gravely concerned about our immediate future. I think things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, much as it saddens me to say it. Will be intrigued to see what we do in the off season.
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Mini and Eddy wouldn't be playing if Bakes and Dempster were fit. Eddy is a kid and still developing. He's done well. Mini has been there a little while now and has already dodged one bullet. Fiora is "built" like a rouge elephant but doesn't play that way. He needs to go. I can't understand why Birss wasn't in. Was he carrying an injury?
Still waiting for closure ... if you get my drift.
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Eddy, as I have said before (possibly in this thread) will put some muscle on over summer, and this will allow him to win a lot more contested ball, 1 on 1. He is good in a pack situation, but 1 on 1 he is outbodied far too easily, especially in marking contests.
Has it between the ears, but not in the body (yet). Geary is in the same boat. Both will be a part of St. Kilda for years to come.
Has it between the ears, but not in the body (yet). Geary is in the same boat. Both will be a part of St. Kilda for years to come.
People keep saying eddy runs to the right spots. Where is the proof of this. It certainly isn't in his many quality possesions.
Mini and Eddy are both talentless hacks which is sad because from all reports Mini was an extremely talented junior who has had the talent sapped out of him at AFL level.
But they both continue to get full games mean while guys that actually show a bit of promise like Armo and Birss languish in the 2nds for most of the year.
It has me beat.
By the way the rumours coming out of St Kilda already suggest the club regrets its choice of McEnvoy. Which means we wasted a good quality pick. Mind you anytime u pick a ruckmen in the first round there is a good chance u have wasted a pickl. Ruckmen don't mature till they are mid to late 20's so how do u know how good they will be at 18. Complete waste.
Should take best available not take the best available that suits us.
Rioli would have looked good alongside Milne, Schnieder and Roo
Mini and Eddy are both talentless hacks which is sad because from all reports Mini was an extremely talented junior who has had the talent sapped out of him at AFL level.
But they both continue to get full games mean while guys that actually show a bit of promise like Armo and Birss languish in the 2nds for most of the year.
It has me beat.
By the way the rumours coming out of St Kilda already suggest the club regrets its choice of McEnvoy. Which means we wasted a good quality pick. Mind you anytime u pick a ruckmen in the first round there is a good chance u have wasted a pickl. Ruckmen don't mature till they are mid to late 20's so how do u know how good they will be at 18. Complete waste.
Should take best available not take the best available that suits us.
Rioli would have looked good alongside Milne, Schnieder and Roo