I think we are probably the 4th best team in the competition. The problem with that is we are no where near the three above us. When we look back on this season and our finals series what we will see? Smashed by Geelong, smashed by Hawthorn and beat an very young injury depleted and inexperienced Collingwood.
We have to go down to go up. No more "ready made " players from other clubs, no more "top up" players our list needs to improve from the bottom up. We have the superstars but fall away badly after this.
I am not posting this to pot blokes but our bottom 6-8 does not match it with the best sides in the comp. Roo, BJ, Fisher, Lenny and Max can not carry us.
I also don't want to get on here and smash Fiora but........ we lose alot of games when he is in the side. Not saying one man is responseable for the loss tonight but more like a bad luck cham. We played our best footy this year when he was out of the side. Can anyone find out how many games we won with him in the side compared to him being out of the side?
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I agree with the no more "ready made" players, but then again guys like Steven King, Adam Schnieder and Sean Dempster fall into that category, and they are some of our better players.
I guess it depends on who... King, Schnieder and Dempster were all established players... "big name" to a certain degree.
Guys like Charlie Gardiner though, well, I'd never heard of him before. And while he tries hard and I like the way he goes about it, he's not a first 22 player IMO.
I guess it depends on who... King, Schnieder and Dempster were all established players... "big name" to a certain degree.
Guys like Charlie Gardiner though, well, I'd never heard of him before. And while he tries hard and I like the way he goes about it, he's not a first 22 player IMO.
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I'm really worried about Eddy in particular... in the past few weeks I really haven't seen anything that would suggest he has what it takes to become anything other than #25-#28 sort of player.
As I said in another thread, it's too early to write him (and Geary and Allen for that matter) off, but signs don't look good IMO. Of those in the list (that have debuted) only Armitage seems to have that X-factor, he looks promising.
As I said in another thread, it's too early to write him (and Geary and Allen for that matter) off, but signs don't look good IMO. Of those in the list (that have debuted) only Armitage seems to have that X-factor, he looks promising.
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spot on. get some games into the kids.Trunch wrote:IWe have to go down to go up. No more "ready made " players from other clubs, no more "top up" players our list needs to improve from the bottom up. We have the superstars but fall away badly after this.
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Haha, not from tonight's game. From games earlier this year.SAINT JUMP wrote:armo with 4 poss looks the x factor
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Yes but the same was said about Goddard. Give him timebattye wrote:I'm really worried about Eddy in particular... in the past few weeks I really haven't seen anything that would suggest he has what it takes to become anything other than #25-#28 sort of player.
When they created LENNY HAYES (in the shadow of Harvs) they forgot to break the mold (again)- hence the Supremely Incredible Jack Steven!!
4 touches haha.SAINT JUMP wrote:armo with 4 poss looks the x factor
But look at those tackles and attack on the ball.
Another pre season into him, cant expect a 10 gamer to do well in a prelim against a very good side.
Anyways yeah, take a full load of kids and rookies this year, if we draft well and keep the core the same, we got a good team for a few years.
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different players...do i have to point out the stupidity in that comment?St. Luke wrote:Yes but the same was said about Goddard. Give him timebattye wrote:I'm really worried about Eddy in particular... in the past few weeks I really haven't seen anything that would suggest he has what it takes to become anything other than #25-#28 sort of player.
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Raphael Clarke has been in top 6 best the past 2 weeks! Tonight he played well...provided run through the middle a number of times. For once can we lay off R Clarke.Saint Bev wrote:FOr Gods sake lets not start bagging Armo. Other players, ok Raph, How long have they been with us now. 4 long years. Hardly setting the world on fire. Only time he plays well is against poor quality teams, then everyone screams how good he is. Not that he is alone.
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Have to be honest here - not one of them looks like being a top ten player of a top four team - not one!Legendary wrote:Jack Steven
David Armitage
Jarryn Geary
Robert Eddy
Ben McEvoy
Jarryd Allen
Luke Miles
Eljay Connors
We have a good strong group of young players coming through ... give them another 12 months and most of those will be part of our side ....
List is in good shape.
Hope to god i'm wrong!
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Hey there, you seem to have it in for raph all of a sudden? He's still got a way to go, was surely one of our best last night?Saint Bev wrote:FOr Gods sake lets not start bagging Armo. Other players, ok Raph, How long have they been with us now. 4 long years. Hardly setting the world on fire. Only time he plays well is against poor quality teams, then everyone screams how good he is. Not that he is alone.
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You could add Goddard and Sam Fisher as well. They were under seige, and performed quite well considering the amount of ball coming into their area.
Roo tried his backside off, but had no room to move, and slow incoming ball hampered all our forwards.
Roo tried his backside off, but had no room to move, and slow incoming ball hampered all our forwards.
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Bev I always considered you thought a bit about your posts ???? Raph has been good in recent weeks and was easily in our best. I know Armo is a Qld boy and you do feel you must stick up for him but the fact is he can get the ball with Casey but can't get anywhere near it in the big league. He will improve BUT has to work on his endurance especially.. Eddy - not sure whether he will ever be good enough, perhaps a 22 - 28 rater at best. McQ - gone not good enough.Saint Bev wrote:FOr Gods sake lets not start bagging Armo. Other players, ok Raph, How long have they been with us now. 4 long years. Hardly setting the world on fire. Only time he plays well is against poor quality teams, then everyone screams how good he is. Not that he is alone.