Absolutely.saintsRrising wrote:Roo's field kicking is actually quite good.rodgerfox wrote:
Anyone who denies Roo's kicking is poor and a serious problem is in denial.
Another reason he's being played out of position.
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Cairnsman wrote:Let's take the rose coloured goggles off.
Roo has played only 7-8 good to better games in the second half of the year.
Roo has kicked like a spastic chicken for the first half of the year (rememebr he is a forward and it's what he gets paid for mostly)
Roo will need to perform over 22 games to be considered MVP so maybe if he takes his current form (with the exception of Sunday's game) into next season and perform well over 22 rounds he might be a shot.
On a side note Roo and the rest of the team will carry the flat track bullie tag for ever more if he continues to deliver poor performances in finals matches like he did on Sunday. Nuff said.
exactly.The Saintsational Man wrote:As always.....and again.....agreed with you.Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:who cares
There are more important things to worry about.
What would you take more interest in?saintspremiers wrote:exactly.The Saintsational Man wrote:As always.....and again.....agreed with you.Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:who cares
There are more important things to worry about.
What is all this crap about the MVP award?
Sounds like some seppo bullshyte to me.
Isn't the only award of real significance the Brownlow?
All factors considered, Roo did not deserve to be in the top 10 this year.saintsRrising wrote:Cairnsman wrote:Let's take the rose coloured goggles off.
Roo has played only 7-8 good to better games in the second half of the year.
Roo has kicked like a spastic chicken for the first half of the year (rememebr he is a forward and it's what he gets paid for mostly)
Roo will need to perform over 22 games to be considered MVP so maybe if he takes his current form (with the exception of Sunday's game) into next season and perform well over 22 rounds he might be a shot.
On a side note Roo and the rest of the team will carry the flat track bullie tag for ever more if he continues to deliver poor performances in finals matches like he did on Sunday. Nuff said.
How about you factor in:
1/ First half of the Roo was playing with two injured knees, plus a shoulder injury (which was why he could not mark at full stretch properly...)
DESPITE this he was turning in quite acceptable games.
WHEN he became fully fit and was not as restricted not suprisingly his output lifted.
2/ That the last two weeks he has been playing with a broken finger.
I would not disagree with playing him there necessarly.rodgerfox wrote:I still believe he's a half forward flanker.
He's the best HFF to ever play the game.
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And I think that's the issue. Both his coaches have made the call that he's better value deep forward as once The G gave it away, there's no one left to play a key forwadr role.saintsRrising wrote:I would not disagree with playing him there necessarly.rodgerfox wrote:I still believe he's a half forward flanker.
He's the best HFF to ever play the game.
.
Problem is that our other FF options are lean...and I think Kosi is better away from goals and not at FF.
Probably the 3rd most intelligent comment you've maderodgerfox wrote:And I think that's the issue. Both his coaches have made the call that he's better value deep forward as once The G gave it away, there's no one left to play a key forwadr role.saintsRrising wrote:I would not disagree with playing him there necessarly.rodgerfox wrote:I still believe he's a half forward flanker.
He's the best HFF to ever play the game.
.
Problem is that our other FF options are lean...and I think Kosi is better away from goals and not at FF.
I disagree with them.
I think we need to concede and not play a key forward at all. Go with a mobile forward line that functions as a unit, and not rely on talented players to kick scores themselves.
As I've said in another thread, we need to be far more creative.WayneJudson42 wrote:Probably the 3rd most intelligent comment you've maderodgerfox wrote:And I think that's the issue. Both his coaches have made the call that he's better value deep forward as once The G gave it away, there's no one left to play a key forwadr role.saintsRrising wrote:I would not disagree with playing him there necessarly.rodgerfox wrote:I still believe he's a half forward flanker.
He's the best HFF to ever play the game.
.
Problem is that our other FF options are lean...and I think Kosi is better away from goals and not at FF.
I disagree with them.
I think we need to concede and not play a key forward at all. Go with a mobile forward line that functions as a unit, and not rely on talented players to kick scores themselves.![]()
Been harping on this for a while... we need another key fwd...or key back to release someone to play fwd. Leave Gwilt in the square.
If all else fails, we can can trade him to WCE for Kerr
Yep, and I've been saying that throles of FWD's has changed, and they are now more mobile. Hence Loyd needs to play up the ground more these days.rodgerfox wrote:As I've said in another thread, we need to be far more creative.WayneJudson42 wrote:Probably the 3rd most intelligent comment you've maderodgerfox wrote:And I think that's the issue. Both his coaches have made the call that he's better value deep forward as once The G gave it away, there's no one left to play a key forwadr role.saintsRrising wrote:I would not disagree with playing him there necessarly.rodgerfox wrote:I still believe he's a half forward flanker.
He's the best HFF to ever play the game.
.
Problem is that our other FF options are lean...and I think Kosi is better away from goals and not at FF.
I disagree with them.
I think we need to concede and not play a key forward at all. Go with a mobile forward line that functions as a unit, and not rely on talented players to kick scores themselves.![]()
Been harping on this for a while... we need another key fwd...or key back to release someone to play fwd. Leave Gwilt in the square.
If all else fails, we can can trade him to WCE for Kerr
The days of a key forward who takes big packs marks are over.
The days of a bloke starting in the goal square are leading to space 30m out directly in front are over too.
Tactically, opposition defences just don't let it happen.
Hawthorn obviously, are somewhat of an exception to this right now - but clearly Franklin is a freak.
Even with Franklin, they can be too 1 dimensional at times. And when they are, they get rolled.
The got 4 from Osborne, a couple from Rioli etc. etc.
We shouldn't be building it around key forwards. We should be building a 'team' down there that does not allow the backmen to take a mark - or get any unpressured posession.
That should be the aim. The goals will come after that.
The thought of an even less mobile/athletic Kosi makes baby jesus cry.WayneJudson42 wrote: On the other hand, I reckon that given some strong wheights work... Kosi could develop into a J Brown type fwd, if he would show more aggression. He could split packs open with his marks.
Not sure about killing careers per se.duckduckduckgoose wrote:The thought of an even less mobile/athletic Kosi makes baby jesus cry.WayneJudson42 wrote: On the other hand, I reckon that given some strong wheights work... Kosi could develop into a J Brown type fwd, if he would show more aggression. He could split packs open with his marks.
And as for the aggression- I think he's far too clumsy to be aggressive.
he'd end up on report every week if he tried to impose himself physically.
Having said that- its worth looking at SOMETHING/ANYTHING different considering his best season was 7 years ago.
As for the discussion about our structure, i couldn't agree more.
We have looked more like the the St Kilda Square Pegs, Round Holes than the St Kilda Saints for quite a while now.
It's killing more careers than its saving that's for sure...